London- Congestion charge increases to ?8
Apr 5th 2005 | 8:13 pm
#46
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:38:33 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
>> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
>> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
>Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
>plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
>trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
>Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
>imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
>in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
Probably the same as when the owner of a foreign car bins a parking
ticket, in my case, so far absolutely nothing.
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
>> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
>> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
>Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
>plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
>trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
>Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
>imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
>in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
Probably the same as when the owner of a foreign car bins a parking
ticket, in my case, so far absolutely nothing.
Apr 5th 2005 | 8:19 pm
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nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:38:33 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>
> >Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >[]
> >> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
> >> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
> >> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
> >
> >Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
> >plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
> >trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
> >
> >Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
> >imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
> >in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
>
> Probably the same as when the owner of a foreign car bins a parking
> ticket, in my case, so far absolutely nothing.
Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
license plates is taken lightly.
On the subject of London congestion charging, Transport for London
apparently claims to pursue foreign vehicle owners who haven't paid
using European 'debt recovery agencies.' Whether or not that is actually
happening I don't know.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:38:33 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>
> >Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >[]
> >> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
> >> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
> >> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
> >
> >Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
> >plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
> >trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
> >
> >Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
> >imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
> >in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
>
> Probably the same as when the owner of a foreign car bins a parking
> ticket, in my case, so far absolutely nothing.
Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
license plates is taken lightly.
On the subject of London congestion charging, Transport for London
apparently claims to pursue foreign vehicle owners who haven't paid
using European 'debt recovery agencies.' Whether or not that is actually
happening I don't know.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 5th 2005 | 10:13 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
>imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
>in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
More "sensible" to clone a UK plate, but not something your
otherwise law abiding city worker is going to put on his BMW,
more likely a few yobs and criminals, willing to drive uninsured
in a probably stolen car.
When we were considering a holiday home in Spain, I did muse on
having a spanish car in UK and an english car in Spain, but there
are time limits and restrictions on doing it long term. My
neighbour gave up on his Italian registered Lancia.
--
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>Having a foreign plate might seem like a clever workaround, but I
>imagine there is a pretty hefty legal risk. What if the car is involved
>in an accident, or the police otherwise have cause to run a check?
More "sensible" to clone a UK plate, but not something your
otherwise law abiding city worker is going to put on his BMW,
more likely a few yobs and criminals, willing to drive uninsured
in a probably stolen car.
When we were considering a holiday home in Spain, I did muse on
having a spanish car in UK and an english car in Spain, but there
are time limits and restrictions on doing it long term. My
neighbour gave up on his Italian registered Lancia.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 5th 2005 | 10:40 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
>licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
>check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
>accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
>license plates is taken lightly.
A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
--
Mike Reid
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>Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
>licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
>check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
>accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
>license plates is taken lightly.
A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 5th 2005 | 10:45 pm
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> >Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
> >licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
> >check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
> >accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
> >license plates is taken lightly.
>
> A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
> which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
> But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
> would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
I would have thought so. I mean, I can understand people trying to avoid
paying something, but a fake plate involves a different level of
criminality. To take the example of train fares, people will often avoid
buying a ticket when the only 'penalty' for not buying one is, well,
having to buy one! A smaller fraction of those people, however, would be
willing to jump over a barrier just to avoid paying.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>
> >Absolutely nothing would happen if you wre discovered to have fake
> >licence plates? I'm talking about what would happen if the police ran a
> >check on the car, or asked to see your license in the event of an
> >accident etc. Rare occurence, but I don't imagine that driving with fake
> >license plates is taken lightly.
>
> A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
> which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
> But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
> would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
I would have thought so. I mean, I can understand people trying to avoid
paying something, but a fake plate involves a different level of
criminality. To take the example of train fares, people will often avoid
buying a ticket when the only 'penalty' for not buying one is, well,
having to buy one! A smaller fraction of those people, however, would be
willing to jump over a barrier just to avoid paying.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Apr 6th 2005 | 9:19 am
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:40:57 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
>which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
and used on stolen cars.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>A colleague of my wife had an accident with a foreign truck,
>which when the insurance process started was untraceable.
>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
and used on stolen cars.
Apr 7th 2005 | 7:34 pm
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Following up to nitram
>>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
>There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
>receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
>other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
>and used on stolen cars.
We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
"respectable" people going to do it?
--
Mike Reid
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>>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
>There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
>receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
>other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
>and used on stolen cars.
We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
"respectable" people going to do it?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 7th 2005 | 8:29 pm
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:34:43 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>>>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
>>There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
>>receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
>>other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
>>and used on stolen cars.
>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>"respectable" people going to do it?
Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
about global warming?
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>But for a local to drive on fake plates is going beyond what you
>>>would do to avoid the odd ticket or charge.
>>There are plenty of locals driving on fake plates. Cases of people
>>receiving traffic fines, when their car was in for repairs or at the
>>other end of the country are quite common. Car identities are stolen
>>and used on stolen cars.
>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>"respectable" people going to do it?
Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
about global warming?
Apr 7th 2005 | 9:47 pm
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Following up to nitram
>>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>>"respectable" people going to do it?
>Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
>about global warming?
Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
--
Mike Reid
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>>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>>"respectable" people going to do it?
>Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
>about global warming?
Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 7th 2005 | 10:34 pm
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:47:20 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>>>"respectable" people going to do it?
>>Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
>>about global warming?
>Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
>So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
>tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
How do you know that?
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to nitram
>>>We know that there are some people doing that, the point was are
>>>"respectable" people going to do it?
>>Define "respectable". Does a respectable person drive an SUV and worry
>>about global warming?
>Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
>So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
>tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
How do you know that?
Apr 7th 2005 | 11:19 pm
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Following up to nitram
>>Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
>>So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
>>tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
>How do you know that?
observation of respectable people and what they consider socially
acceptable.
--
Mike Reid
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>>Respectable means bourgeois and conforming to mores of society.
>>So they may drive 4x4. They might also steal stationary or fiddle
>>tax or expenses a little, but not run fake plates.
>How do you know that?
observation of respectable people and what they consider socially
acceptable.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Apr 9th 2005 | 5:30 am
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gukk60.15w8i1d186w4s5N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
> Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
>> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
>> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
>> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
> Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
> plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
> trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
AIUI the official policy is that foreign cars are expected to pay
and if they can be traced, the owner will be billed.
As you say, whether this is currently worthwhile is another matter,
but the future plans of EU authorities is that such charges and fines
will be collected by the home country.
tim
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1gukk60.15w8i1d186w4s5N%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]...
> Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
>> But I understand that foreign cars are just *not recognized* by the
>> computer system... are they officially exempt from the CC or is it just
>> a "not thought of when designing the system" thing?
> Given that the vast majority of cars driving into the CC area have UK
> plates, it might be one of those instances where it's simply not worth
> trying to get revenue from foreign cars.
AIUI the official policy is that foreign cars are expected to pay
and if they can be traced, the owner will be billed.
As you say, whether this is currently worthwhile is another matter,
but the future plans of EU authorities is that such charges and fines
will be collected by the home country.
tim
