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    >It's a clear upfront charge, and it's made clear where the money is
    >going.

Londoners voted him in on the basis of doing it, after all.

    > It will take a lot more than that to bring the current government
    >down anyway. Even lying over weapons that didn't exist and being partly
    >responsible for a 100,000 deaths in Iraq isn't going to do that, alas.

Blair should have stood down, IMHO. Over being Bushs poodle,
lying or being stupidly misinformed over WMD, over Kellys death,
over blaming the Beeb for everything, how did they engineer an
enquiry to blame it all on the BBC?
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn

    >> Do motorbikes and mopeds pay a reduced rate or none at all?
    >Not sure.

free I think.
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    >I suppose most visitors to the UK _don't_ wan't to drive in London, but
    > this increase will probably (IMO) make central London even more pleasant
    > for people taking public transport.
    > The rise is, of course, significantly above the rate of inflation.
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4399059.stm
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Great news! Make it £80 and let's keep London for the Albanians!

Gerry

"James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > It occurred to me that I don't know how the congestion charge applies to
    > rental cars. At previous times, I have picked up and returned cars in
    > London rather than at one of the airports and I wonder if the congestion
    > tax is payable and how is it collected? Possibly, all the agencies have
    > moved out of town but I doubt that (g).


Unless you pay the charge in advance or on the day the rental company
will be billed for the charge (plus penalty) and they pass the renters
name and address to the authorities for them to pursue.

If the renter does not pay I believe the rental company will
pay and as for any other parking ticket they'll charge that
amount to the renters credit card , along with an administration
charge

Bottom line is that £5 per day can hit £120 per day if you
try and avoid payment !

The good news is that the congestion charge only applies
to inner london . This roughly a line bounded by
The Marylebone Road/pentonville Road to the north,
Hyde Park to the West, Kennington Road/New Kent Road
to the south and Tower Bridge Road /Commercial Road to
the east. Frankly I'd never advise a tourist to drive in that
area anyway.

If you pick a car up at the airport and head anywhere else
you'll probably never go anywhere near the charging zone.

Note for the benefit of other posters motorcycles and mopeds
are exempt as are alternate fuel (mainly LPG) and electric
vehicles.

Keith



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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Blair should have stood down, IMHO. Over being Bushs poodle,

I prefer the phrase Bush's Bitch myself!

    > lying or being stupidly misinformed over WMD, over Kellys death,
    > over blaming the Beeb for everything, how did they engineer an
    > enquiry to blame it all on the BBC?

Because they _could!_

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Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > Note for the benefit of other posters motorcycles and mopeds
    > are exempt as are alternate fuel (mainly LPG) and electric
    > vehicles.

With alternate fuel vehicles, I can understand, but not motorcycles and
mopeds. They should have at least some charge. They may not have the
same effect on congestion, but they do have some, and they certainly
have environmental effects.

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Following up to James Silverton

    >Possibly, all the agencies have moved out of town but I doubt
    >that (g).

I doubt there are any car hire pick up points in the zone? Which
is only a small area in the centre.
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn

    >> Blair should have stood down, IMHO. Over being Bushs poodle,
    >I prefer the phrase Bush's Bitch myself!

LOL. I like that.

    >> lying or being stupidly misinformed over WMD, over Kellys death,
    >> over blaming the Beeb for everything, how did they engineer an
    >> enquiry to blame it all on the BBC?
    >Because they _could!_

sadly, yes.
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    >There is a proposal to have a similar scheme in Boston on the other side
    >of the atlantic, and they are looking to London as a model.

One thing I don't think is fair is the usual zero tolerance
attitude when motoring is concerned. If you are registered and
paying, I don't see why they have to hit you with a big penalty
when you obviously just forgot one day. They could just send a
reminder email (or charge your credit card) and charge £10 for
the trouble. But no, unlike criminals, who get warnings and
suspended sentences and WHY, motorists get parking tickets two
minutes after meter has run out and a £60 ccharge penalty +
handling fee from the leasing company. Its not as if you are
trying to avoid payment if you are registered with the scheme.
The other thing that is rubbish is the computer system, page
after page to click through and you have to reenter ccard,
registration number, postcode, user ID and password every time!
Amazon would go bust working like that.
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On 1 Apr 2005 04:41:26 -0800, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
    >> I suppose most visitors to the UK _don't_ wan't to drive in London,
    >but
    >> this increase will probably (IMO) make central London even more
    >pleasant
    >> for people taking public transport.
    >>
    >Do motorbikes and mopeds pay a reduced rate or none at all?

They pay nothing at the moment, but their is talk of introducing a
charge. Well that's what I read in the Metro the other day.
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:39:40 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    >Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:
    >[]
    >> Note for the benefit of other posters motorcycles and mopeds
    >> are exempt as are alternate fuel (mainly LPG) and electric
    >> vehicles.
    >With alternate fuel vehicles, I can understand, but not motorcycles and
    >mopeds. They should have at least some charge. They may not have the
    >same effect on congestion, but they do have some, and they certainly
    >have environmental effects.

Then the charge needs to be renamed!
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Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:39:40 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >
    > >Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >[]
    > >> Note for the benefit of other posters motorcycles and mopeds
    > >> are exempt as are alternate fuel (mainly LPG) and electric
    > >> vehicles.
    > >
    > >With alternate fuel vehicles, I can understand, but not motorcycles and
    > >mopeds. They should have at least some charge. They may not have the
    > >same effect on congestion, but they do have some, and they certainly
    > >have environmental effects.
    >
    > Then the charge needs to be renamed!

Accesions are already given to vehicles that can cause congestion, if
they are environmentally friendly, so yes, it probably should. However,
congestion tends to be linked in one's mind with environmental effects,
so it's not such a stretch.

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"Evelyn C. Leeper" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    >> It will be interesting to see what happens with this. Edinburgh has just
    >> chickened out, because they asked for public opinion on the matter. Of
    >> course most motorists don't want to pay more. Not that I don't think
    >> that public opinion matters, but on issues like this it takes
    >> leadership. In other words, the public doesn't always know what is good
    >> for it. Besides, in this case, I do think Ken has delivered on the
    >> buses, which are much better than they used to be. There's no point
    >> banging on about public transport unless you make it a more attractive
    >> option!
    >> There is a proposal to have a similar scheme in Boston on the other side
    >> of the atlantic, and they are looking to London as a model.
    > Singapore has had something like this since at least 1990.
They had something similar already at 1975.
We were walking towards the city core when someone in a car asked us if we
wanted to join them and have a free ride.
Was two in the car and they told us that one or two persons only in a car
had to pay a charge for running into the city core but nothing for more
persons.
Stockholm is likely to have a system with congestion charges for the city
core from next year.
The system will be for about 6 months and after that there's a referendum.

"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:39:40 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
    >> >Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >[]
    >> >> Note for the benefit of other posters motorcycles and mopeds
    >> >> are exempt as are alternate fuel (mainly LPG) and electric
    >> >> vehicles.
    >> >
    >> >With alternate fuel vehicles, I can understand, but not motorcycles and
    >> >mopeds. They should have at least some charge. They may not have the
    >> >same effect on congestion, but they do have some, and they certainly
    >> >have environmental effects.
    >> Then the charge needs to be renamed!
    > Accesions are already given to vehicles that can cause congestion, if
    > they are environmentally friendly, so yes, it probably should. However,
    > congestion tends to be linked in one's mind with environmental effects,
    > so it's not such a stretch.

Note that vehicles with more than 9 seats are also exempt so
you'll pay if driving a Fiat 126 but not a Ford Transit Mini Bus

Keith

A word of warning on this charge. I understand that the daily permit is for
a calander day, not a 24 hour day.

A friend, visiting London from Australia paid the charge Congestion Charge,
before driving his borrowed car into London in the afternoon, then believing
that the permit was for 24 hours drove out the next morning. You can guess
the rest.

Bob
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    >I suppose most visitors to the UK _don't_ wan't to drive in London, but
    > this increase will probably (IMO) make central London even more pleasant
    > for people taking public transport.
    > The rise is, of course, significantly above the rate of inflation.
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4399059.stm
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