living in europe
Sep 19th 2005, 1:35 pm
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Re: living in europe
One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe sinde
you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
Julie
AJH <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
>> > I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>> > my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>> > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
>> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
>> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
>> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
>> simply no longer true.
> I like this bit:
> "At home, room doors are normally kept closed within the house. Rooms
> which are not used much are not heated because of the high cost of gas
> and oil"
> Huh? I may turn down the rad in the spare room but the door is
> generally open. And I'd question all the stuff on phones and faxes
> being more expensive than America - that stuff is dirt cheap nowadays -
> and the ubiquity (or otherwise) of pulse dialling.
> Stuff like this needs to be datestamped and taken with a pinch of salt
> if it is over a year old.
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you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
Julie
AJH <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
>> > I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>> > my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>> > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
>> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
>> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
>> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
>> simply no longer true.
> I like this bit:
> "At home, room doors are normally kept closed within the house. Rooms
> which are not used much are not heated because of the high cost of gas
> and oil"
> Huh? I may turn down the rad in the spare room but the door is
> generally open. And I'd question all the stuff on phones and faxes
> being more expensive than America - that stuff is dirt cheap nowadays -
> and the ubiquity (or otherwise) of pulse dialling.
> Stuff like this needs to be datestamped and taken with a pinch of salt
> if it is over a year old.
--
Julie
**********
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Sep 19th 2005, 1:37 pm
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Re: living in europe
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:35:14 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
<[email protected]> wrote:
>One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe sinde
>you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
>seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
>Julie
I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
But again, a personal preference.
>AJH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>> > I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>>> > my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>>> > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
>>> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
>>> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
>>> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
>>> simply no longer true.
>> I like this bit:
>> "At home, room doors are normally kept closed within the house. Rooms
>> which are not used much are not heated because of the high cost of gas
>> and oil"
>> Huh? I may turn down the rad in the spare room but the door is
>> generally open. And I'd question all the stuff on phones and faxes
>> being more expensive than America - that stuff is dirt cheap nowadays -
>> and the ubiquity (or otherwise) of pulse dialling.
>> Stuff like this needs to be datestamped and taken with a pinch of salt
>> if it is over a year old.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe sinde
>you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
>seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
>Julie
I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
But again, a personal preference.
>AJH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>> > I've done this a few times. See a discussion of issues you will face in
>>> > my chapter "Living in Europe: Travel to the Max as an Expatriate" at
>>> > http://www.enjoy-europe.com/hte/chap22/living.htm
>>> Interesting read, to see how European things are viewed from "the other
>>> side". However, I'm wondering how long ago this was written? Some things,
>>> such as "Because credit cards are expensive, few Europeans use them" are
>>> simply no longer true.
>> I like this bit:
>> "At home, room doors are normally kept closed within the house. Rooms
>> which are not used much are not heated because of the high cost of gas
>> and oil"
>> Huh? I may turn down the rad in the spare room but the door is
>> generally open. And I'd question all the stuff on phones and faxes
>> being more expensive than America - that stuff is dirt cheap nowadays -
>> and the ubiquity (or otherwise) of pulse dialling.
>> Stuff like this needs to be datestamped and taken with a pinch of salt
>> if it is over a year old.
Sep 19th 2005, 1:44 pm
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"Juliana L Holm" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe
> sinde
> you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
I suppose it has been so several decades now. Personally I don't pay
attention to such things. Well, I did recognize this young chap at the
Hannover Hauptbahnhof, who was wandering around wearing pyjamas in early
1980's......
viestiss�:[email protected]...
> One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe
> sinde
> you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
I suppose it has been so several decades now. Personally I don't pay
attention to such things. Well, I did recognize this young chap at the
Hannover Hauptbahnhof, who was wandering around wearing pyjamas in early
1980's......
Sep 19th 2005, 1:52 pm
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Rita <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
I agree with this generally and I usually don't take jeans to Europe. I'm
leaving next Thursday on a trip where I am breaking ALL my rules. No packing
in one suitcase. I'm carrying jeans, and lots of clothes. This is cause
I'm going for two months, and will be there into early December. It will be
a bit of a hassle the first weekend and the middle weekend, when I am between
places with all my luggage, but I'm four weeks at a time in Berlin, then
Bonn, studying with the Goethe Institut.
I do have a full 3 or four days worth of clothes, all of which coordinate,
all of which dry quickly, can be easily washed out in a sink, etc.
--
Julie
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> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
I agree with this generally and I usually don't take jeans to Europe. I'm
leaving next Thursday on a trip where I am breaking ALL my rules. No packing
in one suitcase. I'm carrying jeans, and lots of clothes. This is cause
I'm going for two months, and will be there into early December. It will be
a bit of a hassle the first weekend and the middle weekend, when I am between
places with all my luggage, but I'm four weeks at a time in Berlin, then
Bonn, studying with the Goethe Institut.
I do have a full 3 or four days worth of clothes, all of which coordinate,
all of which dry quickly, can be easily washed out in a sink, etc.
--
Julie
**********
Check out the blog of my 9 week Germany adventure at www.blurty.com/users/jholm
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Sep 19th 2005, 2:12 pm
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:59 GMT, Rita wrote:
> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
--
Tim C.
> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
--
Tim C.
Sep 19th 2005, 2:16 pm
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Following up to Rita
>From my observations, Europeans dress every which
>way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
>wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself.
Nah, no need for a suit :-) From my observations "Europeans" in
this context don't exist! But as you say, neat and clean will do.
--
Mike Reid
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>From my observations, Europeans dress every which
>way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
>wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself.
Nah, no need for a suit :-) From my observations "Europeans" in
this context don't exist! But as you say, neat and clean will do.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
Sep 19th 2005, 2:16 pm
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Following up to amy radcliff
>If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>again, any help gratefully recieved.
Any particular country? I assume you don't speak all European
languages?
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
>If it matters, employment is not a huge problem...I'm more interested
>in questions of residency status, tax issues (do I pay taxes there or
>in the States, for instance), qualifying for health care, and so on...
>again, any help gratefully recieved.
Any particular country? I assume you don't speak all European
languages?
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
Sep 19th 2005, 2:16 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
>European national.
are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
>European national.
are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Photos of both "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk"
Sep 19th 2005, 3:28 pm
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The Reids wrote:
> I assume you don't speak all European languages?
Plus a some thousand dialects.
Reminds me of <[email protected]> again.
Jens
> I assume you don't speak all European languages?
Plus a some thousand dialects.
Reminds me of <[email protected]> again.
Jens
Sep 19th 2005, 4:05 pm
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The Reids writes:
> are you offering, Mixi?
I'm not an EU national.
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
> are you offering, Mixi?
I'm not an EU national.
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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
Sep 19th 2005, 5:38 pm
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in
>>view of our current government - but at my age there are too
>>many potential problems.)
>
>
> If you have the financial means to retire, Europe can be an attractive
> place to do it.
I don't even have the "financial means" to retire here in
the U.S.! Europe would add the need for health insurance -
Medicare and my "Medigap" insurance won't cover me
anywhere but here (and I could hardly expect to benefit from
another country's "National Health" plan when I've never
worked or paid taxes there, and am not a citizen). Also,
I''m nowhere near fluent in any language but English, and
it's much harder to become so when one is elderly.
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
>
>
>>You have to ASK?????? (I've been sorely tempted, too, in
>>view of our current government - but at my age there are too
>>many potential problems.)
>
>
> If you have the financial means to retire, Europe can be an attractive
> place to do it.
I don't even have the "financial means" to retire here in
the U.S.! Europe would add the need for health insurance -
Medicare and my "Medigap" insurance won't cover me
anywhere but here (and I could hardly expect to benefit from
another country's "National Health" plan when I've never
worked or paid taxes there, and am not a citizen). Also,
I''m nowhere near fluent in any language but English, and
it's much harder to become so when one is elderly.
Sep 19th 2005, 5:44 pm
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Juliana L Holm wrote:
> One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe sinde
> you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
I've certainly seen "designer" jeans on plenty of young
people in Paris and Vienna and Brussels! (Jusging from the
variety of languages I overheard them speaking, they were
definitely NOT Americans.)
> One of my favorites is the backpackers note not to wear jeans in europe sinde
> you will be identified as an American. On my last few trips to europe it
> seemed everyone was wearing jeans!
I've certainly seen "designer" jeans on plenty of young
people in Paris and Vienna and Brussels! (Jusging from the
variety of languages I overheard them speaking, they were
definitely NOT Americans.)
Sep 19th 2005, 5:51 pm
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Rita wrote:
>
> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
And if you don't want to be recognized as being American,
you'd have to keep your mouth shut for the entire trip!
It's the accent, not the wardrobe - although I have been
asked if I were English, a few times. (Apparently the
difference between an English and an American accent are not
quite so obvious to French and German-speakers as they are
to Yanks and Brits.)
>
> I think all advice on what to wear or not wear while traveling in
> Europe is dumb. From my observations, Europeans dress every which
> way and there is no standard to adhere to. Neat and clean is good
> wherever one travels, and beyond that, suit yourself. Dressing for
> comfort and packing light are good rules to follow and I like clothing
> that can stand up without frequent laundering, but
> that's a personal preference. Personally I'd rule out jeans because
> they are bulky and also slow to dry if you have to wash them out.
> But again, a personal preference.
And if you don't want to be recognized as being American,
you'd have to keep your mouth shut for the entire trip!
It's the accent, not the wardrobe - although I have been
asked if I were English, a few times. (Apparently the
difference between an English and an American accent are not
quite so obvious to French and German-speakers as they are
to Yanks and Brits.)
Sep 19th 2005, 5:53 pm
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Tim Challenger wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:59 GMT, Rita wrote:
>
>
>> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
>
>
> just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
Ummmm.... I THINK she meant "remain wearable", not "stand
alone" 8-)
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:37:59 GMT, Rita wrote:
>
>
>> I like clothing that can stand up without frequent laundering,
>
>
> just like most of my clothes when I was a student ... ;-)
Ummmm.... I THINK she meant "remain wearable", not "stand
alone" 8-)
Sep 19th 2005, 5:55 pm
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The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
>>European national.
>
>
> are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
But Mixi is an American ex-pat - even with a residence
permit, I don't think that qualifies, does it?
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>
>
>>The fastest way to obtain the right to live in Europe is to marry a
>>European national.
>
>
> are you offering, Mixi? This could be a way forward for you.
But Mixi is an American ex-pat - even with a residence
permit, I don't think that qualifies, does it?