Padraig Breathnach

Magda <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:11:07 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
    ><member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ...
    > ... Originally posted by Magda
    > ... > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:50:33
    > ... +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
    > ... >
    > ... <member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
    > ... like this :
    > ... >
    > ... > ...
    > ... > ... Valiant is obviously blinded from a few
    > ... historical points
    > ... >
    > ... > Who are you talking to ?
    > ...
    > ...
    > ... Duh.......................... someone called Valiant maybe ?
    >I never saw his posts.

Maybe your killfile is getting ahead of itself.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

Carole Allen

There's an older book about this called, IIRC, "Among the Thugs."
Fascinating reading.


On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:34:00 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
<[email protected]> wrote:
    >Thats because those who go for violence in the US join
    >a street gamg instead. The violence at soccer matches in the
    >UK is a direct analog of that the street gangs of LA or NYC
    >There's a violent element amongst young adults (mainly males)
    >everywhere. That element always seeks an outlet. In the
    >UK street gangs have been heavily repressed so the outlet
    >of choice is the organised group of soccer thugs. Add to
    >that the effects of some drug (usually alcohol) along with
    >rampaging testosterone and you get a brawl.
    >Any claim that its nationalistic is nonsense, most of the
    >barneys occur between home fans and most happen
    >away from the ground which is far too
    >Keith

Bobby Fischler

"Nicolas Benicoeur" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > <Snip usual crap>
    >
    > The Independent:
    >
    > Our Man In Paris: France will never be a Muslim state
    >
    > John Lichfield
    >

French, UN, EU and UK disinformation snipped!

France falls under sharia law in 10 years and the UK in 15 or less.
You can bank on it.

Sam

Neither do I. But that doesn't drive me to blind hatred of him. It
doesn't make me care more about removing him from office than about
what's good for this country. So it doesn't make me recklessly trash
my country in the process of trashing him. And it doesn't make me
delude myself into viewing him as the bad guy and Saddam Hussein as
the good guy. In other words, not likeing Bush doesn't drive me crazy.

And that wasn't the point. Stupid suckwad anti-American Americans
trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent" to impress Europeans
was the point. You know, the old "hate America first" crowd. The
nitwits just don't get it. They never catch on to the Rat Game. Them
stupid rats just keep ringing that bell for a treat till the shocks
they get instead kill them.

The French don't like anybody they don't fear.

Sam

"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Pro American and anti Bush. I didn't even like him when he was gov.
    >
    > Sam wrote:
    >
    > > What a wag.
    > >
    > > The only thing worse than an anti-American European is suckwad
    > > anti-American American trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent"
    > > to impress them. You can jump through hoops forever and never please
    > > them, so give it up already. It's a game. Get it? Get it? A game. Get
    > > it? Oh, never mind.
    > >
    > > Just get off the stage, lady. The house lights just came up.
    > > Sam
    >
    > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > >>devil wrote:
    >
    > >>>This is a red herring. Pure unadulterated right wing BS. They need a
    > >>>scapegoat for their own idiocy, that's all.
    >
    > >>Since most of the people I associate with are educated and intelligent,
    > >>I also thought this "anti-French" nonsense was limited to red-necks,
    > >>until I attended a concert at Hollywood Bowl last week. (They were
    > >>playing the Mahler 2nd, a program not exactly designed to pull in the
    > >>ignorant and uncultured.) To my astonishment, I actually heard some
    > >>woman in a seat behind me proclaim that "of course" they don't buy
    > >>French wine, anymore! (My companion stopped me before I got any further
    > >>than turning around to exclaim "You can't be serious!")
    > >>
    > >>How CAN my fellow countrymen be so ignorant? (And God help our country
    > >>if that mentality prevails in the next election!)
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>

Sam

Spend more time looking in the mirror instead of over here. You know,
get the beam out of your eye instead of trying to pick the speck out
of ours. What's this obsession with America over there? Get a life.

Sam

Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:59:45 -0700, Sam wrote:
    >
    > > Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.
    > >
    > > It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
    > > events and is rare in the US. Moreover, it is usually nationalistic
    > > mob action there, as in the wars that break out between the fans of
    > > different countries at soccer matches. It's that
    > > my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
    > > agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
    > > nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.
    > >
    > > Sam
    >
    > It isn't common at all - in fact it's sufficiently unusual that ,in the UK
    > at least, when it occurs it makes the national news. That isn't to say
    > that football matches are devoid of acts of yobbery and vulgarity, but I
    > wouldn't have a problem with, say, taking my daughter to a football match
    > (except she'd get bored, and turn to violence :-)
    >
    > J;

Magda

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:37:57 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Maybe your killfile is getting ahead of itself.

Smart killfile ? :-))

Magda

On 26 Jul 2004 00:16:46 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Sam) arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :

... Neither do I. But that doesn't drive me to blind hatred of him. It
... doesn't make me care more about removing him from office than about
... what's good for this country. So it doesn't make me recklessly trash
... my country in the process of trashing him. And it doesn't make me
... delude myself into viewing him as the bad guy and Saddam Hussein as
... the good guy. In other words, not likeing Bush doesn't drive me crazy.
...
... And that wasn't the point. Stupid suckwad anti-American Americans
... trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent" to impress Europeans
... was the point. You know, the old "hate America first" crowd. The
... nitwits just don't get it.

Instead of "hate", maybe you could check "disdain" in a dictionary.
It's much closer to the truth.

Magda

On 26 Jul 2004 00:20:06 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Sam) arranged some
electrons, so they looked like this :

... Spend more time looking in the mirror instead of over here. You know,
... get the beam out of your eye instead of trying to pick the speck out
... of ours. What's this obsession with America over there? Get a life.

There is no obsession about merca over here, you pretentious little man. If you guys take
your big feet away from our toes, you'll be forgotten in next to no time. Promise.

LordAvalon

"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Valiant wrote:
    >
    > >>I am going to France next summer, and as usual, I have nothing to fear.
    > >>French people don't hate Americans, but they do hate self righteous
    > >>jingoists.
    >
    > > Oh yeah, I guess that's why so many of them spike tourist food and put
    > > "Americans Go Home" signs on their windows. By the way, what the heck
    > > does Cheney and Co killing thousands of RPG wielding militants in Iraq
    > > have to do with Armstrong winning the Tour de France?
    >
    > snip
    >
    > Do you have any real evidence for the prevalence of "Americans Go Home"
    > signs. I spent a week and a half in Paris and didn't notice any in
    > either English or French.
    >
    > As to tour spectators. Drunk Europeans are about the same as drunk
    > rednecks.

Thank you for this moment of wisdom.
I think those guys apply their own reasoning and habits to France. We
french are less interested in material signs. When I first came to the
usa I was surprised by how americans like to expose their opinion.
Flags, bumper stickers, political signs on their lawn...
This is the reason why one should travel around the world to discover
that our truth is not another country's truth.

LordAvalon

There are open minded americans with whom it is always a pleasure to
chat. Even when you disagree with them.
You are definitly not one of these.



[email protected] (Sam) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > What a wag.
    >
    > The only thing worse than an anti-American European is suckwad
    > anti-American American trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent"
    > to impress them. You can jump through hoops forever and never please
    > them, so give it up already. It's a game. Get it? Get it? A game. Get
    > it? Oh, never mind.
    >
    > Just get off the stage, lady. The house lights just came up.
    >
    > Sam
    >
    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > devil wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > This is a red herring. Pure unadulterated right wing BS. They need a
    > > > scapegoat for their own idiocy, that's all.
    > >
    > >
    > > Since most of the people I associate with are educated and intelligent,
    > > I also thought this "anti-French" nonsense was limited to red-necks,
    > > until I attended a concert at Hollywood Bowl last week. (They were
    > > playing the Mahler 2nd, a program not exactly designed to pull in the
    > > ignorant and uncultured.) To my astonishment, I actually heard some
    > > woman in a seat behind me proclaim that "of course" they don't buy
    > > French wine, anymore! (My companion stopped me before I got any further
    > > than turning around to exclaim "You can't be serious!")
    > >
    > > How CAN my fellow countrymen be so ignorant? (And God help our country
    > > if that mentality prevails in the next election!)
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

LordAvalon

Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:59:45 -0700, Sam wrote:
    >
    > > Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.
    > >
    > > It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
    > > events and is rare in the US. Moreover, it is usually nationalistic
    > > mob action there, as in the wars that break out between the fans of
    > > different countries at soccer matches. It's that
    > > my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
    > > agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
    > > nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.
    > >
    > > Sam
    >
    > It isn't common at all - in fact it's sufficiently unusual that ,in the UK
    > at least, when it occurs it makes the national news. That isn't to say
    > that football matches are devoid of acts of yobbery and vulgarity, but I
    > wouldn't have a problem with, say, taking my daughter to a football match
    > (except she'd get bored, and turn to violence :-)
    >
    > J;

Keith, Carole Jeremy...
Thanks again for those interesting answers!
It is so good after all this trolling to read the product of *sane*
minds that care for others' feeling.
The violence we speak of is not that widespread in Europe. Sometimes
it is fueled by political action from very activ minorities.

The Enlightenment

"Nicolas Benicoeur" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > <Snip usual crap>
    > The Independent:
    > Our Man In Paris: France will never be a Muslim state
    > John Lichfield
    > 03 February 2004

SNIP crap by Islamophile appologist Nicholas Benicoer.

The exact proportion of muslims or Nth Africans in France is unkown as
politically correct French Law prohibits census or demograhic data along
these lines. It suits the morons not to let the French people be aware of
their peril.

Most extimates put the figure at almost 9% with the proportion increasing
for younger people. The future demography of france will be proportionate
to its fertile muslim youth and its high muslim immigration.

Anyone sampling in Frances metropolises would find that the 30% figure would
seem realistic. Any tourist in Paris has probably experienced their
theavery.

They carry substantial electoral weight and both parties pander towards the
and by threat of terrorism have reduced Frances freedom of political action
and sense of safety. They have absorbed most of the resources that were
intended for the French working classes such as subsidised housing etc.

There are now more than 1400 zones de non-droit in France (including eleven
towns), and in nearly a hundred of these, republican jurisdiction has been
effectively supplanted by the shari`a (Islamic law)

Within such zones, whose deteriorating conditions politically correct public
officials persist in describing in socioeconomic rather than biocultural
terms, it is nearly impossible for a Frenchman to reside in the public
housing estates (HLM) built for the French working class, to find a cafe
serving wine or ham, or for his wife to dress or behave in public as do
European women.

But Islam's weight in France is even greater than that, particularly for
the generation to come. For one thing, immigrants and their
descendants are concentrated in a few important cities and regions
(Paris, Marseille, Rhône-Alpes, Lille-Roubaix-Tourcoing). For another,
although France's non-Muslim population has replaced itself at roughly
the Western European rate of 1.3 births per woman, immigrants from
Islamic countries have been three to four times as fertile for quite
some time. The birth rate among Algerian women was 4.4 in 1981 and 3.5
in 1990. That among Moroccans was 5.8 and 3.5 in those years, and
among Tunisians 5.1 and 4.2. These numbers do show natality declining
toward the national average, but only slowly. Meanwhile, the disparity
in birth rates and the concentration of the Muslim population means
that in certain French metropolises a new generation of citizens --
those born from the 1970s to the 1990s -- is one third Muslim

*****

We owe the Muslims and Arabs nothing. Certainly not our European soil.





***
The Crescent and the Tricolor
The Atlantic Online ^ | November 2000 | Christopher Caldwell
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/11/caldwell.htm

France today has more Muslims than practicing Catholics, and couscous
has arguably become the country's national food

by Christopher Caldwell

WHEN, two days before Bastille Day in 1998, the French national soccer
team upset Brazil 3-0 to win the World Cup, a million people staged an
impromptu parade on the Champs-Elysées. Within days it had become a
cliché to call it the most important demonstration since the
liberation of Paris from the Germans, in 1944. It was a celebration
less of French sports than of French society -- and of immigration's
role in that society. As people poured into the streets from all
corners of the capital and the country, it became clear what a
multiracial society France had become. About 13 percent of the
population is immigrant, but the percentage in Paris is much higher.
Tens of thousands of blacks and tens of thousands of Asians and
hundreds of thousands of Arabs were in the streets along with
native-born whites, who call themselves français de souche ("root
French"). They were celebrating a team that included players born in
Ghana and Guadeloupe. And they were celebrating especially the
brilliant midfielder Zinédine Zidane, born in Marseille of Algerian
parents, who had scored two goals in France's triumph. Discuss this
article in the Foreign Affairs conference of Post & Riposte.
More on travels and foreign affairs in The Atlantic Monthly and
Atlantic Unbound.

Zidane had been suspended three weeks earlier for one of the dirtiest
fouls in World Cup memory. But now he was living proof that France was
great because France was welcoming. In the coming months a leading
French novelist would write Zidane: The Novel of a Victory, and
President Jacques Chirac would award Zidane and his teammates the
Légion d'honneur. As a Frenchman boasted afterward, "Germany's full of
Turks -- and there's not a single Turk on the German football team."
People marked a changing attitude toward immigrants in general and
Arabs in particular, and named it the Zidane effect. It resembled the
way certain backers of a Colin Powell run for the presidency in 1996
came to feel about race -- suddenly viewing as solved something they'd
previously thought of as a remedy-defying problem, and feeling good
about themselves as a result.


Not since fifteenth-century Spain has any Western European country had
so substantial a Muslim presence. And for years immigration from the
Islamic countries has looked destabilizing, as tension has increased
between the children of Arab immigrants (beurs and beurettes, as
they're called) and alarmed whites who question their assimilability.
In 1990 the Lyon suburb of Vaulx-en-Velin saw days of looting and
burning. Although unorganized, it was understood less as a rampage
than as a protest against the beurs' marginalization. Last year
violence erupted in France's small towns -- most spectacularly
Vauvert, a village between Montpellier and Nîmes, where "bandes des
jeunes"(French journalistic code for nonwhite youths) trashed the
center for several days. Strasbourg has seen a New Year's Eve
tradition develop that resembles Halloween Devil's Night in Detroit.
Bonfires are lit, buildings are vandalized, and last New Year's Eve
dozens of cars were set on fire. Other small cities suffer sporadic
sprees of vandalism, which their perpetrators call "rodeos" -- Nancy,
for instance, and Rennes, which is now patrolled by gardiens de nuit,
a sort of French version of New York's Guardian Angels. At times
France's racial problem appears to resemble the situation in America
in the 1960s.

But the comparison can be misleading. Generally speaking, it's a
smaller problem than the American race problem. Beurs are less visibly
different, discrimination against them tends to be on the basis of
class rather than race, and when they assimilate into society (or make
a pile of money), they're French, period. But in one respect it's a
more serious problem, because differences of religion are involved.
Islam envisions an Islamic state to protect its rights. France,
meanwhile, has one of the most stringent legal separations of Church
and State in the world. This creates constant conflict between a state
based on the Rights of Man and a religion that, strictly interpreted,
holds that all legitimate political power flows from the Koran.

The excellent halal (the Islamic equivalent of kosher) butchers who
have brought first-rate meat to the poorest neighborhoods have been an
outright windfall for French culture. Other imports -- such as the
female-circumcision rites practiced by certain African Muslim
immigrants -- are so repugnant to French sensibilities that they have
been outlawed. Still others are allowed but tie the country in knots.
Since the late 1980s the question of whether Muslim girls should be
allowed to wear their traditional scarves to school has come up year
after year, in a way that might seem irrational unless one considers
the role of French schools as "mills of citizenship" -- and not just
of citizenship but of Frenchness. The Prime Minister, Lionel Jospin,
first made his reputation as Education Secretary with anguished
soul-searching on the headscarf question.
But the latest wave of immigration threatens to change what Frenchness
means. Islam has left Protestantism and Judaism far behind and is now
the second religion of France. No official national statistics are
kept on religion and race in France (the country, with its long
tradition of equality of citizens before the state, holds such
distinctions -- officially, at least -- to be meaningless), but the
best estimates of the country's Interior Ministry put France's Muslim
population at four million, two million of them French citizens. The
historian Alain Besançon has estimated that given the meager rates of
churchgoing in France (below five percent), the country now has more
Muslims than practicing Catholics. In 1994 Le Monde found that 27
percent of Muslims were believing and practicing -- which means that
Islam may someday be the country's predominant religion if one
measures by the number of people who practice it.

But Islam's weight in France is even greater than that, particularly
for the generation to come. For one thing, immigrants and their
descendants are concentrated in a few important cities and regions
(Paris, Marseille, Rhône-Alpes, Lille-Roubaix-Tourcoing). For another,
although France's non-Muslim population has replaced itself at roughly
the Western European rate of 1.3 births per woman, immigrants from
Islamic countries have been three to four times as fertile for quite
some time. The birth rate among Algerian women was 4.4 in 1981 and 3.5
in 1990. That among Moroccans was 5.8 and 3.5 in those years, and
among Tunisians 5.1 and 4.2. These numbers do show natality declining
toward the national average, but only slowly. Meanwhile, the disparity
in birth rates and the concentration of the Muslim population means
that in certain French metropolises a new generation of citizens --
those born from the 1970s to the 1990s -- is one third Muslim.

IN some places France already looks like a Muslim country. One of
these places is La Bricarde, a cluster of semi-public low-income
apartment towers built in the early seventies at the far northern edge
of Marseille. This is part of the Bricarde-Castellane-Plan d'Aou
complex, where 8,300 of the poorest people in France live, and where
Zinédine Zidane grew up. A quarter of Marseille's population of
800,000 is Muslim, and La Bricarde is a mixture of North African
exoticism and Continental decadence. Lotto tickets are the most
popular commodity in the rinky-dink variety store that serves the
complex. On a fall day recently, in the blistering heat of the central
courtyard, a teen-age girl in a tight black sweater walked with two
pregnant friends past an old lady in a djellaba. Satellite dishes run
up the sides of the towers like buttons on a shirt. There are 700
apartments in La Bricarde, and at least 200 dishes, all of them aimed
skyward to pick up signals from Africa: France has one of the least
developed cable networks in Western Europe, and Algerian television
can't be picked up there except by satellite. Rock bluffs reminiscent
of Arizona loom behind the towers. On several hot summer nights in
recent years the residents of La Bricarde have staged their own
spectacular variant on Strasbourg's rodeo, stealing cars from the city
below, setting them on fire, and launching them from the bluffs.

"The future of the city is in north Marseille," says Didier Bonnet,
the long-haired and dashing director of the Régie Services Nord
Littoral, a social-service organization founded in 1988 to serve the
housing projects at Marseille's northern edge. Bonnet also has clients
in the center city, but La Bricarde is the focus of almost all of his
work, and it worries him. "Unemployment is twenty percent in
Marseille," he says, "and fifty percent in certain neighborhoods. This
is one of those certain neighborhoods." A quarter mile from La
Bricarde is a five-year-old shopping center that is one of the largest
in Europe. It was built with government help, on the condition that
the store owners hire half their employees from the projects nearby.
But the residents have begun to drift back into unemployment. Still,
some business gets done. Nordine Taguelmint, who lives in La Bricarde
and works for Bonnet, shouted "Journaliste!" to reassure a cluster of
four alarmed-looking North Africans whom we interrupted in the middle
of what looked like a dope deal as we came down a hill behind the
projects. A hundred yards farther on Taguelmint pointed out a
brand-new Porsche 911 Carrera, owned by a resident of the project.

Juliette Minces, a sociologist who studies Muslim women, reports that
a progressive "ethnicization" of these housing blocks is under way.
They have become associated with particular ethnic groups --
Senegalese here, Algerians there -- much the way that American public
housing became associated with blacks and Hispanics in the fifties,
sixties, and seventies. The residents of Marseille's projects are
mostly Muslim, and a majority of them come from the Maghreb region of
North Africa. Taguelmint estimates the population of La Bricarde at 60
percent foreign. Of the remainder, 25 percent are beurs and 10 percent
are French blacks. Only about twenty white families are left in the
projects, and all of them, Taguelmint says, feel trapped and bitter.
Asked how many belong to the hard-right National Front, he replied,
"All of them." All of them? He thought for a minute and revised his
opinion: "No fewer than fifteen."

Claude Bertrand, the chief of staff to Marseille's mayor, admits that
a succession of Socialist mayors bought a degree of social peace with
ethnic sorting. "Not so much as it looked," he told me, but he grants
that it happened. He assumes that such segregation will be undone in
the natural course of things, primarily by the influence of
television. (Other observers assert that by relying on this most
American and global of media to assimilate newcomers, France risks
solving its ethnic problems by dissolving its own culture -- for
natives and newcomers alike.) Bertrand is unworried about the National
Front, viewing its supporters as basically the same bloc -- the petits
blancs, the white lumpenproletariat -- that voted Communist throughout
the Cold War. In this he's right. He thinks the best way to defuse the
group is by increasing employment.

As the Marseille sociologist Michel Peraldi points out, though,
trying to thwart an anti-immigrant movement by increasing employment
is self-contradictory. Immigration to Marseille is actually relatively
low right now. Immigrants flock to places that are growing, and
today's growth is elsewhere, and in high tech -- "le capitalisme
cognitif," as Peraldi puts it. Growth like that exists in the region
-- in Aix-en-Provence, for instance, which in two decades has been
transformed from a sleepy tourist village into a bobo mini-metropolis
of 135,000 people. But Marseille is a city that the rich flee, so most
of its growth is in the outlying areas. This is anomalous. The
majority of French cities are rich, orderly, and right-wing; it's the
suburbs that are impoverished, overcrowded, and violent. Marseille is
the only big city in France that follows the U.S. model: its center is
poorer than its periphery. So Marseille functions like New York (a
comparison that Bertrand makes proudly) -- but New York in the 1970s.
Older-generation politicians see poverty, crime, maladjustment, and
alienation, and trying to come up with a solution they think
"government." The top employer in Marseille is the national
government, with 14,000 workers. The No. 2 employer is the
municipality, with 12,000.

Continued...


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Christopher Caldwell is the senior writer at The Weekly Standard and a
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"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand

"...observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists amidst all
their appeals to nature and pleas for 'harmony with nature' there is
no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival.
Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot
survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision
i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears..." - AYN RAND
"The Anti-Industrial Revolution," The New Left, 136.
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us,
'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" -- Dosteovsky

Joseph R. Darancette
[email protected]

The Reids

Following up to Valiant

    >> I am going to France next summer, and as usual, I have nothing to fear.
    >> French people don't hate Americans, but they do hate self righteous
    >> jingoists.
    >Oh yeah, I guess that's why so many of them spike tourist food and put
    >"Americans Go Home" signs on their windows.

I get the impression from the rest of the twaddle he actually
*means* that?
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The Reids

Following up to Sam

    >"**** France" and "**** Chirac" T-shirts are not in style here

The US equivalent is not in style here either.
Have you been to Europe?
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Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Baldin Pramer

Sam wrote:

    > The French don't like anybody they don't fear.

Who do you men by "the French"? All French people? Some of them? If so,
which ones?

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Sir Baldin Pramer, S.G.O.R.P.I.A.