Earl Evleth

On 23/07/04 9:52, in article [email protected], "Mark Hewitt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "walter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> The contrary, for example yesterday: Mr. Armstrong hang at the back
    >> wheel of another driver all the time (which saves up to 30% power),
    >> let him do all the work, so he could easily pass him a second before
    >> the finish. It is an unwritten law that a champion leaves the day to
    >> his tractor if he will likely win the tour with or without this day
    >> victory. Mr. Armstrong does not anymore.
    >> Mr. Armstrong still wins races, but he is not a sports champion
    >> anymore. And now he cries that nobody loves him. What did he expect?
    >
    > Cycle racing is a team sport. The team mates are there to help their team
    > leader win stages. Do you know nothing? :-\
    >

In an interview the other day he said he has little trouble now. Years
ago, when the general public thought he made his come back via drugs
he had problems. He was worried by the crowds. He did get some trouble
from Germans supporting the German racers but he mentioned a half dozen
or so. I did not see him really complaining. I thought crowd control
was poor, it worried me just looking at it.

He did not make points with his overtaking Kloeden yesterday, however,
the Parisian press used the term "cannibal". But I don't see him pigging
the race until he has to in order to win. In the past he obviously has
let some people win stages and even that can be bitched about. Why
be "Mr Nice Guy"? Sometimes even that appears a bit arrogant.

The press said that this was his last Tour de France although Lance has not
made that declaration.

The fact he now speaks a passable French makes things a little easier.
I don't find his accent American but am not quite sure what it is.
Off and on he has spent a lot of time in France including living.
His team is not 100% American and I view him as a globalized American.
In this sense, he belongs to the bike racing world and so it is
not a nationalistic thing. America is a big country so should
furnish an important share of cyclists. It now does.

The first great American cyclist who came to Europe was Major Taylor.

I wonder if anybody here has heard of him??? His story?

Earl

LordAvalon

Jipsey <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > [email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote:
    >
    > >http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    > >
    > >July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    > >de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    > >though the French Alps Ñ two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    > >spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    > >end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    > >bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    > >But the win did not erase what had happened.
    > >
    > >"I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    > >
    > Once again this troll is trying to twist reality to suit his hatreds
    > and fears. Lance Armstrong did in fact say the quote above, however
    > he was referring to the proximity of the crowd to the riders.


To illustrate your clever remark let us do some editting of our
own!!!!
Those are just minor modifications, the meaning of the article is
pretty much the same and clear

[Warning Edited Version]
L'ALPE D'HUEZ, France, July 21 (Reuters) - Tour de France director
Jean-Marie Leblanc admit he had spit five-times at champion Lance
Armstrong during the 15.5-km time trial to L'Alpe d'Huez on
Wednesday.

swarming crowds twisting limb frightened Armstrong who jumped out on
to the road.

"I was scared barriers hit out some German fans.

"Until this morning, everybody were lots of aggressive fans
surrounding the riders and I even spit at Lance Armstrong."

"fortunately you can put barriers on Armstrong, storm victory near a
head of his"
Jan Ullrich now looks set seriously about holding another trial, the
[last] resort for the Tour de France. I don't think it's safe. watch
out American.

Terry Simmons

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote:

    > http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    >
    > July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    > de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    > though the French Alps — two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    > spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    > end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    > bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    > But the win did not erase what had happened.
    >
    > "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    >
    > That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    > "Lance Go Home."
    >
    > As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
    >
    > "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    > Armstrong said.

Not many of us is likely to have travel experiences like those of Lance
Armstrong, so one wonders why this item has turned up here.

But it does provide the opportunity to salute Armstrong, one of the most
remarkable (and intelligent) sportsmen on the planet. Viva Lance!

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Cheers!

Terry

The Reids

Following up to Jipsey

    >Once again this troll is trying to twist reality to suit his hatreds
    >and fears. Lance Armstrong did in fact say the quote above, however
    >he was referring to the proximity of the crowd to the riders.

thanks for pointing out the truth.
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[email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    >
    > July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    > de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    > though the French Alps ? two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    > spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    > end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    > bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    > But the win did not erase what had happened.
    >
    > "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    >
    > That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    > "Lance Go Home."
    >
    > As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
    >
    > "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    > Armstrong said.


So, what is new?

France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. France is miserable
because it is filled with Frenchmen, and Frenchmen are miserable
because they live in France. [...] Apart from these drawbacks it is a
fine country.

- Mark Twain

Juliana L Holm

In rec.travel.europe John Starrett <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Go to the French countryside and visit with the farmers and winemakers.
    > Stay in a gîte (pronounced zheet), a country style bed and breakfast,
    > many of which are only $40 a night. Eat the food, drink the wine, thank
    > them for hiding downed US airmen in WWII. I guarantee you you will not
    > feel threatened.

A friend of mine is spending three months in the countryside at a gite in
France right now. He has had nothing but a warm reception. Of course he
is respectful, not in Paris (except for day trips) and speaks moderately
good Frence (great French by American standards).

Next year I am planning a two month sabbatical in Germany, studying with
the Goethe institut.

There are arrogant Americans, and they will mix badly with Arrogant
Europeans. But the vast majority of Europeans and Americans are nicely
behaved friendly people.
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:30:08 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Jeremy Henderson
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:52:56 -0700, Bobby Fischler wrote:
...
... > "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
... >
... > That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
... > "Lance Go Home."
... >
... > As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
... >
... > "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
... > Armstrong said.
...
... It's all the fault of Muslims, right?

Commence pas, toi ! LOL

Magda

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:38:57 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... The first great American cyclist who came to Europe was Major Taylor.
...
... I wonder if anybody here has heard of him??? His story?

http://www.majortaylor.com/

Fred Bloggs

John Starrett <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > Don't go to Paris in the summer when it is hot and all the tourists with
    > their endless demands and stupid comments are making the locals testy.

The word is "Touron". London is full of them at the moment.

Anonymous

    >>Don't go to ***** in the summer when it is hot and all the tourists with
    >>their endless demands and stupid comments are making the locals testy.

Hi,

I've noticed this a time or two myself...

at the end of the summer season people are tired... in the spring
they're happy to see the tourists come back.

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend

[email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    >
    > July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    > de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    > though the French Alps ? two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    > spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    > end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    > bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    > But the win did not erase what had happened.
    >
    > "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    >
    > That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    > "Lance Go Home."
    >
    > As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
    >
    > "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    > Armstrong said.

I didn't know lance was from texas. No wonder he's a nazi. He got
what he deserved.

Jeremy Henderson

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:29:43 -0700, walter wrote:

    >> July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    >> de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    >> though the French Alps ?
    > ...
    >> That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    >> "Lance Go Home."
    > ...
    >> "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    >> Armstrong said.
    >
    > I'd rather think it's because Mr. Armstrongs behaviour and character
    > which has changed in a bad way during his career.
    > Remember his races against Jan Ullrich in the past, when they fought
    > like hell, but helped and waited for each other in case of accidents?
    > Lance Armstrong won and the crowd loved him.
    > The contrary, for example yesterday: Mr. Armstrong hang at the back
    > wheel of another driver all the time (which saves up to 30% power),
    > let him do all the work, so he could easily pass him a second before
    > the finish. It is an unwritten law that a champion leaves the day to
    > his tractor if he will likely win the tour with or without this day
    > victory. Mr. Armstrong does not anymore.

You weren't watching properly - Armstrong tried to give the victory to his
team mate, but Ullrich rsponded and caught him, Armstrong then outsprinted
both Ullrich and *his* team-mate.

J;


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[email protected] (Laura Bush murdered her boy friend) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > [email protected] (Bobby Fischler) wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >> http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/18138.htm
    >>
    >> July 22, 2004 -- Asinine German cycling fans harassed five-time Tour
    >> de France champion Lance Armstrong during yesterday's grueling ride
    >> though the French Alps ? two of the "idiots" spat on him, and another
    >> spectator chased him while wearing a "F - - - Bush" T-shirt. By the
    >> end of the day, of course, the spit on Armstrong was exchanged for a
    >> bath of champagne, thanks to the Texan's time-trial victory.
    >> But the win did not erase what had happened.
    >>
    >> "I don't think it's safe," said Armstrong
    >>
    >> That sentiment was captured in a roadside sign last week that read,
    >> "Lance Go Home."
    >>
    >> As a result, Armstrong has bodyguards during the three-week race.
    >>
    >> "Nothing against the French, but in France, they're after us,"
    >> Armstrong said.
    >
    > I didn't know lance was from texas. No wonder he's a nazi. He got
    > what he deserved.

Certainly not.
He's a great champion, he seems to enjoy France and has a lot of fans
here, and as far as I remember, he said before the Iraqi war that it was
a mistake. Those who spat on him are idiots, but it's only 2 people out
of 800 000 supporters.

Malev

On 23 Jul 2004 08:57:12 -0700, [email protected] (Laura Bush murdered her boy
friend) wrote:


    >I didn't know lance was from texas. No wonder he's a nazi. He got
    >what he deserved.

Tell us, you are a Bush voter aren't you?

Ptravel

"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f31Mc.52$%[email protected]...
    > NoNameAtAll <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Well, I'm not Lance Armstrong, so I doubt I have anything to worry
about.
    > Yeah, if you don't mind taking your life into your own hands. Wat if
someone
    > comes up and wears a t-shirt at you like they did to Lance? He's a
champion
    > athlete with years of intense training; he can take it. Could you?

That must be why progressive countries, like the US, have made gratuitous
t-shirt wearing an arrestable offense.


    > miguel
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