doctor scrumpy

Valiant is obviously blinded from a few historical points

1) If it was not for the French, you would be English over here. Cornwallis surrendered to the French, not the Yanks.

2) Where the **** was the US for the first 2 years, 3 months & 4 days of WW2 ? Hiding away & doing business with the nazis. Joe Kennedy was happy trading away with them

3) Remind me when the US declared war on the Nazis ? Oh right...They never did, Germany declared war on the US. The US was happy to go after the Japs after Pearl Harbour ( Which we warned them aboutiN September 41 )

Seems the US does not like anyone who will not blindly follow them into an illegal attack on a nation that some texas retard has decided to treat as a politcal football. The only reason Iraq was invaded was to cover up the theft of democratic rights, and billions of US taxpayers money comitted by bush & has henchmen.

On a final note, go find a nation to hate of your own. We have been hating the frogs for over a thousand years.

Sam

Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.

It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
events and is rare in the US. Moreover, it is usually nationalistic
mob action there, as in the wars that break out between the fans of
different countries at soccer matches. It's that
my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.

Sam

"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Valiant wrote:
    >
    > >>I am going to France next summer, and as usual, I have nothing to fear.
    > >>French people don't hate Americans, but they do hate self righteous
    > >>jingoists.
    >
    > > Oh yeah, I guess that's why so many of them spike tourist food and put
    > > "Americans Go Home" signs on their windows. By the way, what the heck
    > > does Cheney and Co killing thousands of RPG wielding militants in Iraq
    > > have to do with Armstrong winning the Tour de France?
    >
    > snip
    >
    > Do you have any real evidence for the prevalence of "Americans Go Home"
    > signs. I spent a week and a half in Paris and didn't notice any in
    > either English or French.
    >
    > As to tour spectators. Drunk Europeans are about the same as drunk
    > rednecks.

Wolfgang Barth

Sam schrieb:

    > my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
    > agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
    > nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.
    >
Say this to Bush and his "neoconservative" godfathers.

Wolfgang

Sam

What a wag.

The only thing worse than an anti-American European is suckwad
anti-American American trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent"
to impress them. You can jump through hoops forever and never please
them, so give it up already. It's a game. Get it? Get it? A game. Get
it? Oh, never mind.

Just get off the stage, lady. The house lights just came up.

Sam

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > devil wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > This is a red herring. Pure unadulterated right wing BS. They need a
    > > scapegoat for their own idiocy, that's all.
    >
    >
    > Since most of the people I associate with are educated and intelligent,
    > I also thought this "anti-French" nonsense was limited to red-necks,
    > until I attended a concert at Hollywood Bowl last week. (They were
    > playing the Mahler 2nd, a program not exactly designed to pull in the
    > ignorant and uncultured.) To my astonishment, I actually heard some
    > woman in a seat behind me proclaim that "of course" they don't buy
    > French wine, anymore! (My companion stopped me before I got any further
    > than turning around to exclaim "You can't be serious!")
    >
    > How CAN my fellow countrymen be so ignorant? (And God help our country
    > if that mentality prevails in the next election!)
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

Keith Willshaw

"Sam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.
    > It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
    > events and is rare in the US.

Thats because those who go for violence in the US join
a street gamg instead. The violence at soccer matches in the
UK is a direct analog of that the street gangs of LA or NYC

There's a violent element amongst young adults (mainly males)
everywhere. That element always seeks an outlet. In the
UK street gangs have been heavily repressed so the outlet
of choice is the organised group of soccer thugs. Add to
that the effects of some drug (usually alcohol) along with
rampaging testosterone and you get a brawl.

Any claim that its nationalistic is nonsense, most of the
barneys occur between home fans and most happen
away from the ground which is far too

Keith

Jeremy Henderson

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:59:45 -0700, Sam wrote:

    > Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.
    >
    > It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
    > events and is rare in the US. Moreover, it is usually nationalistic
    > mob action there, as in the wars that break out between the fans of
    > different countries at soccer matches. It's that
    > my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
    > agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
    > nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.
    >
    > Sam

It isn't common at all - in fact it's sufficiently unusual that ,in the UK
at least, when it occurs it makes the national news. That isn't to say
that football matches are devoid of acts of yobbery and vulgarity, but I
wouldn't have a problem with, say, taking my daughter to a football match
(except she'd get bored, and turn to violence :-)

J;

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Magda

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:50:33 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
<member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Valiant is obviously blinded from a few historical points

Who are you talking to ?

Frank F. Matthews

Magda wrote:

    > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:50:33 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
    > <member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ...
    > ... Valiant is obviously blinded from a few historical points
    >
    > Who are you talking to ?
    >

Post of 7/23

>> I am going to France next summer, and as usual, I have nothing to fear.
>> French people don't hate Americans, but they do hate self righteous
>> jingoists.


Oh yeah, I guess that's why so many of them spike tourist food and put
"Americans Go Home" signs on their windows. By the way, what the heck
does Cheney and Co killing thousands of RPG wielding militants in Iraq
have to do with Armstrong winning the Tour de France?



>> Don't go to Paris in the summer when it is hot and all the tourists
>> with their endless demands and stupid comments are making the locals
>> testy.


Those poor poor people. I bet the malevolent B-oo-sh, (cause of every
single death and stubbed toe in modern history) with his oil buddies at
NATO forced every single one at gunpoint to hawk snails and frog legs to
gullible travelers for an exorbitant surplus of Euros.

Maybe we should help out all these tired noble Frenchmen and withdraw
all travel and dollars we pour into this totally nontourist dependant
nation. I mean, zhous Americans are stupid! Aside from overzealous
government agents they don't care about the nationality of a visitor
when they should be bitterly complaining and stereotyping every tourist!
Stop pestering Jacque for the privilage of buying his miniature Eiffel
Towers and let him get on to more important things, like bathing his
poodle Fifi Le Foo all day.


Eat the food, drink the wine,

>> thank them for hiding downed US airmen in WWII. I guarantee you you
>> will not feel threatened.


Yeah, how dare these Yankee imperialists storm into the French
countryside without Hitler's permission and fight nazis! The Vichy liked
things just the way they were thank you very much! If you dont' want to
be THREATENED, You better prostrate yourselves and thank us that our
ancestors suffered your hide over our immaculate thresholds, especially
after engaging in the unthinkable crime of trying to liberate Paris.


Get real, the only thing rotten is that French government has pulled the
wool over the eyes of a vocal (hopefully minority) of French citizens.
The only French people who should be upset at the US are the fat cat
politicians and powerbrokers with all their sleazy Iraq contracts.
They're getting you to do the work for them. Guess, there's more than
one blind nation eh?

Frank F. Matthews

Pro American and anti Bush. I didn't even like him when he was gov.

Sam wrote:

    > What a wag.
    >
    > The only thing worse than an anti-American European is suckwad
    > anti-American American trying to look and sound and seem "intelligent"
    > to impress them. You can jump through hoops forever and never please
    > them, so give it up already. It's a game. Get it? Get it? A game. Get
    > it? Oh, never mind.
    >
    > Just get off the stage, lady. The house lights just came up.
    > Sam

    > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    >>devil wrote:

    >>>This is a red herring. Pure unadulterated right wing BS. They need a
    >>>scapegoat for their own idiocy, that's all.

    >>Since most of the people I associate with are educated and intelligent,
    >>I also thought this "anti-French" nonsense was limited to red-necks,
    >>until I attended a concert at Hollywood Bowl last week. (They were
    >>playing the Mahler 2nd, a program not exactly designed to pull in the
    >>ignorant and uncultured.) To my astonishment, I actually heard some
    >>woman in a seat behind me proclaim that "of course" they don't buy
    >>French wine, anymore! (My companion stopped me before I got any further
    >>than turning around to exclaim "You can't be serious!")
    >>How CAN my fellow countrymen be so ignorant? (And God help our country
    >>if that mentality prevails in the next election!)

Bobby Fischler

Wolfgang Barth <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Sam schrieb:
    >
    > > my-nationality-is-better-than-your-nationality crap. Hate to agree
    > > agree with the pope on anything, but he is right in saying that this
    > > nationalism is the greatest evil in the world.

No - expansionst & repressive Islam is. The pope was right in fighting
communism but he failed to see left wing secularism would fill the
vacuum and it will be supplanted by Isalmic fascism.

    > Say this to Bush and his "neoconservative" godfathers.

Bush and his group know France will be an Islamic Republic in about 25
years along with Holland, Belgium and Spain. Spain already
surrendered. Book publishers in the UK refuse to publish books even
mildly critical of Islamic fascism. Political parties critical of
IslamoFascism in the UK are essentially being put out of business.
The UK will fall in 35 years to Islam followed by Germany. Most of
western European welfare state and the EU will collapse with the
growth of Islam.

Denmark, Italy, Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Finland and parts of
Eastern Europe are the only countries who may refuse to submit to
expansionist Islamic fascism.

Kerry is like the rest of the European left with the "if we are noce
to the IslamoFascists - they won't kill us."

    > Wolfgang

doctor scrumpy

Duh.......................... someone called Valiant maybe ?

doctor scrumpy

You are so full of shit you need an enema. UK is and will always be a Christian nation. But I know in less than 35 years the US will be predominantly Hispanic..Bring on El Presidente !

Nicolas Benicoeur

<Snip usual crap>

The Independent:

Our Man In Paris: France will never be a Muslim state

John Lichfield

03 February 2004

The "hop-off-you-frogs" prize for the silliest headline about France
in the British press - generally a much-contested honour - can be
awarded early this year. "Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic
state?" inquired the main headline on the comment page of The Daily
Telegraph. The headline stood above a bizarre contribution to the
debate about Muslim headscarves in French state schools. The writer
was Barbara Amiel, the novelist, columnist and wife of The Telegraph's
outgoing proprietor, Lord Black of Crossharbour.

She made the following assertions: "Many demographers" estimate that
as much as 20-30 per cent of the French population under 25 is Muslim.
And given current birth rates it is "not impossible" that in 25 years
France will have a Muslim majority.

Both statements are absurdly wrong. They amount to the kind of
inflammatory piffle you read in pamphlets produced by Jean-Marie Le
Pen's xenophobic National Front. In truth, not even the National Front
would make such lurid claims.

I put Ms Amiel's figures to Michèle Tribalat, who is the acknowledged
expert on immigration at the French demographic institute INED (and,
incidentally, a conservative with a small "c" like Ms Amiel, and no
apologist for Islam). Mme Tribalat described the figures as "une
sottise" (a piece of foolishness). "One wonders," she said, "where
such figures come from and why."

Yes, there is a problem about the integration of France's Muslim
minority. Yes, there is a worrying tendency for a tiny minority of
this minority - often the most educated and middle class among them -
to follow the more extreme Islamist teachings. (The same problem
exists in Britain). No, the argument should not just be about numbers.
It should be about mutual respect and mutual tolerance and equal
opportunities. But since Ms Amiel has raised the question of numbers,
let's look at the numbers.

France refuses to keep ethnic population statistics, on the
high-minded, Republican principle that all French people are equally
and indivisibly French. High-minded principles can have perverse
consequences.

The ban on headscarves, and other religious symbols, in state schools
is based on another abstract principle: that French citizens are,
first and foremost, lay citizens of a lay state. In their spare time,
they can worship whatever religion they choose. When they attend a
state institution, such as a school, they must leave "ostensible"
signs of their religious allegiances at the school gate.

The principle, and the proposed new law, may be well intentioned, but
they have generated unforeseen problems for Sikhs and bearded
schoolchildren, and wonderful opportunities for both Islamist and
far-right demagogues.

Much the same is true of the ban on ethnic statistics. In the absence
of official numbers, speculation thrives. The Muslim population of
France has sometimes been put in the French press as high as six
million (out of 60 million). The National Front talks of eight
million, or even 10 million. Ms Amiel's article implies that by 2029,
it will be somewhere near 35 million.

To try to clear up the confusion, the French state half-swallowed its
principles a couple of years ago and allowed a sample poll on ethnic
backgrounds as part of a national census. A report was published last
year based on this poll. It was written by Mme Tribalat. She estimates
that the true "Muslim population" of France is 3.7 million or 6 per
cent. The percentage of Muslims in the French population under 18 is
indeed higher, she told me - around 10 per cent. The percentage in the
population under 25 is not "25-30 per cent", as Ms Amiel mystifyingly
claims, but around 8 or 9 per cent.

France has a buoyant birth rate, higher than that of most other EU
countries, but it extends (rather surprisingly) across all social and
ethnic groups. There is no particular Muslim baby-boom, as Ms Amiel
implies. The big immigration flows into France - both legal and
illegal - are now from China, Africa and Eastern Europe, not from
North Africa. In other words, the Muslim share of the French
population will grow a little in the next few years. In the longer
run, it is likely to stablise and may even fall.

As Mme Tribalat says, one wonders where Ms Amiel's figures come from -
and why.

Magda

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:11:07 +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
<member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

...
... Originally posted by Magda
... > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 22:50:33
... +0000, in rec.travel.europe, doctor scrumpy
... >
... <member7547@british_expats.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
... like this :
... >
... > ...
... > ... Valiant is obviously blinded from a few
... historical points
... >
... > Who are you talking to ?
...
...
... Duh.......................... someone called Valiant maybe ?

I never saw his posts.

Malev

On 25 Jul 2004 00:59:45 -0700, [email protected] (Sam) wrote:

    >Excuses. Excuses. Face facts.
    >It is common knowledge that mob action is common at European sporting
    >events and is rare in the US.

http://www.nd.edu/~observer/11301999/Viewpoint/0.html