KLM and emergency exit seats
May 11th 2007, 2:47 pm
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin:
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
Two bins one labeled
" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
goods too>
the other labeled
"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>the receipt.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin:
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
Two bins one labeled
" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
goods too>
the other labeled
"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>the receipt.
--
Martin
May 11th 2007, 2:50 pm
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
On 11 May 2007 14:39:27 GMT, Bert Hyman <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Martin) wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>I suppose (with nothing to back that up) you could simply take your
>contraband and leave, missing your flight.
There is a row going on between a charity that receives confiscated goods from
Belgium airports, but not from Schiphol, and Schiphol which claims they destroy
everything confiscated.
--
Martin
>[email protected] (Martin) wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>
>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>
>I suppose (with nothing to back that up) you could simply take your
>contraband and leave, missing your flight.
There is a row going on between a charity that receives confiscated goods from
Belgium airports, but not from Schiphol, and Schiphol which claims they destroy
everything confiscated.
--
Martin
May 11th 2007, 2:50 pm
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin:
>>
>>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>>
>>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
>
>Two bins one labeled
>
>" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
>goods too>
>
>the other labeled
>
>"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>
>>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>>the receipt.
When KLM makes the seats cheaper for 'clowns', you must be a very
lucky man, Martin!
>On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:42:24 +0200, Erick T. Barkhuis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin:
>>
>>> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
>>> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
>>> boarding with forbidden items but ...
>>
>>Would you have a practical solution, then? What can they do?
>>- refuse to let you through while you have those items in possession
>>- confiscate them and give you a receipt...they should return the items
>>(unless illegal items like weapons you're not entitled to carry, but then
>>they would have to arrest you) upon request when you return.
>
>Two bins one labeled
>
>" I donate this to <the charity that Schiphol refuses to hand over confiscated
>goods too>
>
>the other labeled
>
>"Arriving passengers help yourselves"
>
>>Come to think of it: in 1985, when I visited Russia, I wasn't allowed to
>>bring Russian money back with me. So, I had to empty my wallet and give
>>them my rubles. I still have the receipt.
>>If I returned within 10 years, they would give me the money upon showing
>>the receipt.
When KLM makes the seats cheaper for 'clowns', you must be a very
lucky man, Martin!
May 11th 2007, 2:56 pm
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[email protected]lid (Martin) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...
Maybe they could just call it a "Stupidity Tax", collectible at the
checkpoint.
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news:[email protected]:
> Another good question is what legal right do security have to
> confiscate and keep property? They have a legal right to stop you
> boarding with forbidden items but ...
Maybe they could just call it a "Stupidity Tax", collectible at the
checkpoint.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | [email protected]
May 11th 2007, 4:10 pm
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Re: KLM and emergency exit seats
On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:25:45 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>>might have been Virgin.
>
>A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?
*laugh*
>On 11 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>>At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
>>might have been Virgin.
>
>A surcharge for those with short legs, who travel in comfort next?
*laugh*
May 11th 2007, 4:14 pm
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Martin wrote:
>
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
$300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
$300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
May 11th 2007, 4:18 pm
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On 11 mayo, 13:18, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> > --
>
> > Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
Budget airline Vueling does that too. Vueling XL is how they're
promoting it, but they charge just 10 euro (was 5 euro for a short
while). Not only emergency exits, but bulkhead seats also.
J.
> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg room.
> > --
>
> > Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
Budget airline Vueling does that too. Vueling XL is how they're
promoting it, but they charge just 10 euro (was 5 euro for a short
while). Not only emergency exits, but bulkhead seats also.
J.
May 11th 2007, 4:21 pm
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"Dave Smith" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with
> Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more
> comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
Tomorrow Canadian hockey players have a cosy ride back home from Moscow
then.
viestiss�:[email protected]...
>
> Martin wrote:
>>
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with
> Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more
> comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
Tomorrow Canadian hockey players have a cosy ride back home from Moscow
then.
May 11th 2007, 4:39 pm
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> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
>
Yep, forty quid each way...
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> On May 11, 11:16 am, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more leg
>> room.
>> --
>>
>> Martin
>
> At least one other airline I've recently used did this - I think it
> might have been Virgin.
>
Yep, forty quid each way...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
May 11th 2007, 4:46 pm
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Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> Martin wrote:
> >
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
leg room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
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> Martin wrote:
> >
> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
leg room.
>
> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
--
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May 11th 2007, 5:07 pm
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>leg room.
>>
>> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
>> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
>> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
>> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
>> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
>> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
>I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
:-)
It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
been even less than the current amount.
--
Martin
chancellor (*)) wrote:
>Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>> >
>> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
>leg room.
>>
>> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
>> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
>> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
>> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
>> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
>> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
>I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
>An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
>put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
>is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
:-)
It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
been even less than the current amount.
--
Martin
May 11th 2007, 5:13 pm
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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Martin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> >leg room.
> >>
> >> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> >> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> >> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> >> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> >> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> >> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >
> >I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> >An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> >put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> >is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>
> It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
> Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> :-)
>
> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
> 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
> York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
> been even less than the current amount.
What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:14 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Martin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> >leg room.
> >>
> >> That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> >> Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> >> $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> >> flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> >> three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> >> comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
> >
> >I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> >An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> >put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> >is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
>
> It's why I suggested taxing anybody, who appeared to be travelling in comfort.
> Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
> :-)
>
> It's interesting that I always had sufficient leg room until the end of the
> 1980s, with one exception, a diabolical over heated stuffy KLM flight from New
> York to A'dam just before Xmas in 1968 where I think the seat pitch must have
> been even less than the current amount.
What's your leg length? (More relevant than height for this, probably.)
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May 11th 2007, 5:31 pm
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
>Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
May 11th 2007, 5:33 pm
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Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>
> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
slice the rush hour traffic.
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> On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:07:04 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Flying is not supposed to be a pleasant experience.
>
> Yes it is, dammit. If I'm going to be in a damn flying tube for eight
> hours, I don't want it to be some horrible overpacked trip.
Overpacked is at least better, in terms of environment. I've never
understood why carpooling wasn't a better option in the UK. So many
single drivers look pissed off every morning as I walk past them during
rush hour, as they're at a standstill. They could probably car pool and
slice the rush hour traffic.
--
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May 11th 2007, 5:42 pm
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> leg room.
> >
> > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> > Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> > $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> > flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> > three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> > comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
> I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
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> Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > KLM plan to introduce a EUR 50 charge for use of seats providing more
> leg room.
> >
> > That is pretty big of them. The first time I flew to Europe I went with Air
> > Transat and felt like a sardine for 9 hours. The next time I went I paid
> > $300 more to fly with KLM with the hope that it would be a more comfortable
> > flight. It wasn't. It was as cramped as Air Transat had been, and it was
> > three hours late leaving. The next time I flew with Air Canada and had a
> > comfortable flight that flew on schedule.
>
> I've never felt cramped on a plane for legroom, no matter what I paid.
> An advantage of being short- I always have legroom, often even when I
> put my carryon under the seat in front. The only times I feel squeezed
> is when I'm sitting next to a very large person.
Like that fat bastard DFM? :-)
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