Kerry courting voters in Paris!
Oct 18th 2004 | 2:58 pm
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Re: Kerry courting voters in Paris!
In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Sven Paderkksson writes:
>
> > Nonsence. The popular media in Europe is no more reliable or honest than
> > that in the US.
>
> True, but it has more axes to grind, which allows one to get a slightly
> broader point of view in reading it
As the IHT just said the other day, few are reading papers in France
any longer... Le Monde only has 350K/day.
jay
Mon Oct 18, 2004
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> (if one reads all of it, which isn't
> easy since that requires quite a knowledge of languages).
>
> > Some european media seem to believe that if a Socialist such as Kerry is
> > elected that they (various countries in europe) will have more of a say in
> > US affairs and decisions.
>
> They are probably right.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Sven Paderkksson writes:
>
> > Nonsence. The popular media in Europe is no more reliable or honest than
> > that in the US.
>
> True, but it has more axes to grind, which allows one to get a slightly
> broader point of view in reading it
As the IHT just said the other day, few are reading papers in France
any longer... Le Monde only has 350K/day.
jay
Mon Oct 18, 2004
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> (if one reads all of it, which isn't
> easy since that requires quite a knowledge of languages).
>
> > Some european media seem to believe that if a Socialist such as Kerry is
> > elected that they (various countries in europe) will have more of a say in
> > US affairs and decisions.
>
> They are probably right.
Oct 18th 2004 | 3:27 pm
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Re: Kerry courting voters in Paris!
[email protected] (Bill Moore) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]> ,
> Sven Paderkksson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Some european media seem to believe that if a Socialist such as Kerry is
>> elected that they (various countries in europe) will have more of a say in
>> US affairs and decisions.
> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
Consider the following:
July 15, 2004
WorldDaily.Com
The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
The largest socialist organization in the U.S. the DSA is affiliated
with Socialist International, a federation of the world's socialist,
social democratic and labor parties. It was founded as a group dedica-
ted to moving the Democratic Party to the political left, and towards
this end has worked closely with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Frank Llewellyn, national director of the DSA, stated that it has been
a century since a major party candidate for president had such strong
support for the principle goals of his organization ...
" Socialism: Economic and social doctrine, political movement inspired
by this doctrine, and system or order established when this doctrine is
organized in a society. The socialist doctrine supports state ownership
and control of the fundamental means of production and distribution of
wealth. In lieu of ownership, support for a system of regulations which
exert extensive controls over the means of production and distribution.
This doctrine specifically advocates nationalization of natural resources,
core industries, banking, credit, and insurance facilities, health care,
and public utilities, as well as extensive welfare programs and public
housing development. Socialism also places special emphasis on the
nationalization of monopolized branches of industry and trade, viewing
monopolies as inimical to the public welfare. "
Your vote, your choice.
> In article <[email protected]> ,
> Sven Paderkksson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Some european media seem to believe that if a Socialist such as Kerry is
>> elected that they (various countries in europe) will have more of a say in
>> US affairs and decisions.
> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
Consider the following:
July 15, 2004
WorldDaily.Com
The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
The largest socialist organization in the U.S. the DSA is affiliated
with Socialist International, a federation of the world's socialist,
social democratic and labor parties. It was founded as a group dedica-
ted to moving the Democratic Party to the political left, and towards
this end has worked closely with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Frank Llewellyn, national director of the DSA, stated that it has been
a century since a major party candidate for president had such strong
support for the principle goals of his organization ...
" Socialism: Economic and social doctrine, political movement inspired
by this doctrine, and system or order established when this doctrine is
organized in a society. The socialist doctrine supports state ownership
and control of the fundamental means of production and distribution of
wealth. In lieu of ownership, support for a system of regulations which
exert extensive controls over the means of production and distribution.
This doctrine specifically advocates nationalization of natural resources,
core industries, banking, credit, and insurance facilities, health care,
and public utilities, as well as extensive welfare programs and public
housing development. Socialism also places special emphasis on the
nationalization of monopolized branches of industry and trade, viewing
monopolies as inimical to the public welfare. "
Your vote, your choice.
Oct 18th 2004 | 6:34 pm
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Re: Kerry courting voters in Paris!
Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Bill Moore) wrote:
>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
> Consider the following:
> July 15, 2004
> WorldDaily.Com
> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
miguel
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> [email protected] (Bill Moore) wrote:
>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
> Consider the following:
> July 15, 2004
> WorldDaily.Com
> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
miguel
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Oct 18th 2004 | 8:18 pm
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:28:45 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Bill Moore writes:
>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
>Clinton was a lot more intelligent (like Nixon, not coincidentally).
He can also speak intelligently and off the cuff without needing a
script.
wrote:
>Bill Moore writes:
>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
>Clinton was a lot more intelligent (like Nixon, not coincidentally).
He can also speak intelligently and off the cuff without needing a
script.
Oct 18th 2004 | 8:25 pm
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:34:32 -0500, Miguel Cruz wrote:
> Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Bill Moore) wrote:
>>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
>> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
>> Consider the following:
>> July 15, 2004
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
>
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
Of course.
--
Tim C.
> Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Bill Moore) wrote:
>>> I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
>>> Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
>>> was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
>>> and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
>> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonable good description for Kerry.
>> Consider the following:
>> July 15, 2004
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
>
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
Of course.
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Tim C.
Oct 19th 2004 | 12:54 am
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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> Bill Moore writes:
> > I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
> > Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
> > was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
> > and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
> Clinton was a lot more intelligent (like Nixon, not coincidentally).
Is it true that Nixon did beat his wife pretty often?
news:[email protected]...
> Bill Moore writes:
> > I don't think that "socialist" is a very accurate characterization of
> > Kerry, but at any rate, the Europeans loved Clinton, not because he
> > was a "socialist" but because his actions were seen as far less boobish
> > and "blundering cowboy" than Bush's.
> Clinton was a lot more intelligent (like Nixon, not coincidentally).
Is it true that Nixon did beat his wife pretty often?
Oct 19th 2004 | 2:15 am
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>> July 15, 2004
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
> miguel
I'm not sure what that argument does for Kerry's political stand.
Does that mean that you agree that Kerry provides socialists with
their best opportunity for the presidencey in 100 years?
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
> miguel
I'm not sure what that argument does for Kerry's political stand.
Does that mean that you agree that Kerry provides socialists with
their best opportunity for the presidencey in 100 years?
Oct 19th 2004 | 2:36 am
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> Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonably good description for Kerry.
>> Consider the following:
>> July 15, 2004
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
and tells the membership of his organization to work strongly for the
election of Kerry, then I believe that it makes such difficult to ignore.
Particularly when the media continues to attempt to pass Kerry off as a
political moderate. All the while keeping Kerry's mentor, Ted Kennedy,
all but hidden in the background.
As a kerry supporter you can either deal with the socialist endorsement
or try and argue that Kerry is really a political moderate.
>> Actually, socialist seems to be a reasonably good description for Kerry.
>> Consider the following:
>> July 15, 2004
>> WorldDaily.Com
>> The Democratic Socialists of America Political Action Committee is
>> officially urging its members to work strongly for the election of
>> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
> So if a murderer endorses Bush, does that make Bush a murderer?
If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
and tells the membership of his organization to work strongly for the
election of Kerry, then I believe that it makes such difficult to ignore.
Particularly when the media continues to attempt to pass Kerry off as a
political moderate. All the while keeping Kerry's mentor, Ted Kennedy,
all but hidden in the background.
As a kerry supporter you can either deal with the socialist endorsement
or try and argue that Kerry is really a political moderate.
Oct 19th 2004 | 2:44 am
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Less Ismore <[email protected]> wrote:
> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
> and tells the membership of his organization to work strongly for the
> election of Kerry, then I believe that it makes such difficult to ignore.
The head of the socialist movement hs two alternatives:
(1) Recommend voting for some no-name candidate who clearly won't win or
even show up in the tally, or
(2) Recommend voting for the mainstream candidate who is marginally to the
left of the other one, because at least it's not the worst possible outcome
from his perspective.
I don't see how it says anything other than that he selected the more
practical of those options.
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> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
> and tells the membership of his organization to work strongly for the
> election of Kerry, then I believe that it makes such difficult to ignore.
The head of the socialist movement hs two alternatives:
(1) Recommend voting for some no-name candidate who clearly won't win or
even show up in the tally, or
(2) Recommend voting for the mainstream candidate who is marginally to the
left of the other one, because at least it's not the worst possible outcome
from his perspective.
I don't see how it says anything other than that he selected the more
practical of those options.
miguel
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Oct 19th 2004 | 2:47 am
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On 19 Oct 2004 07:36:20 -0700, Less Ismore wrote:
> As a kerry supporter you can either deal with the socialist endorsement
> or try and argue that Kerry is really a political moderate.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Unless you're an idiot, in which case you feel you have to choose between
black and white.
--
Tim C.
> As a kerry supporter you can either deal with the socialist endorsement
> or try and argue that Kerry is really a political moderate.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Unless you're an idiot, in which case you feel you have to choose between
black and white.
--
Tim C.
Oct 19th 2004 | 3:38 am
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Less Ismore schrieb:
> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
this tells us more about the socialist movement than about Kerry himself.
They seem to think that Kerry's political views are less contradictionary
to their own than Bush's (which doesn't come as a surprise).
That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
... Martin
> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
this tells us more about the socialist movement than about Kerry himself.
They seem to think that Kerry's political views are less contradictionary
to their own than Bush's (which doesn't come as a surprise).
That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
... Martin
Oct 19th 2004 | 5:04 am
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in article [email protected], Martin Bienwald at
[email protected] wrote on 19/10/04 17:38:
> That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
The American medical health care system needs it
or at least something French.
As it is that only remaining providing of flu shots
in the US is Aventis-Pasteur a French company.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 19/10/04 17:38:
> That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
The American medical health care system needs it
or at least something French.
As it is that only remaining providing of flu shots
in the US is Aventis-Pasteur a French company.
Earl
Oct 19th 2004 | 5:07 am
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in article 1098197207.ch5TyA4As3xuAympbMNTqQ@teranews, Tim Challenger at
[email protected] wrote on 19/10/04 16:47:
>
> The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
> Unless you're an idiot, in which case you feel you have to choose between
> black and white.
> --
The recent poll showed that 70% of the French would vote for Kerry.
The socialists only represent about 30-35% of the voters. The
Front National, only, heavily lends towards Bush, so where does the
rest of the 70% come from? The center right.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 19/10/04 16:47:
>
> The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
> Unless you're an idiot, in which case you feel you have to choose between
> black and white.
> --
The recent poll showed that 70% of the French would vote for Kerry.
The socialists only represent about 30-35% of the voters. The
Front National, only, heavily lends towards Bush, so where does the
rest of the 70% come from? The center right.
Earl
Oct 19th 2004 | 5:31 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote:
>Less Ismore schrieb:
>> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
>this tells us more about the socialist movement than about Kerry himself.
>They seem to think that Kerry's political views are less contradictionary
>to their own than Bush's (which doesn't come as a surprise).
>That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
With Osama's endorsement I hear Bush has grown a beard
and stopped eating pork rinds...
Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote:
>Less Ismore schrieb:
>> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry,
>this tells us more about the socialist movement than about Kerry himself.
>They seem to think that Kerry's political views are less contradictionary
>to their own than Bush's (which doesn't come as a surprise).
>That won't turn Kerry into a socialist, however.
With Osama's endorsement I hear Bush has grown a beard
and stopped eating pork rinds...
Oct 19th 2004 | 5:42 am
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>> If the head of the socialist movement in the US strongly endorses Kerry ...
My bet would be that the KKK endorses Bush.
-- Kimbis
My bet would be that the KKK endorses Bush.
-- Kimbis
