Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
Sep 9th 2005, 7:57 am
#106
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
John Rennie wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote in
> message news:[email protected] ink.net...
> >
> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> >> Hatunen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
> >> > it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
> >> > you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
> >> > reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
> >>
> >> Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
> >> for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
> >> Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
> >
> >
> > Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a
WPA
> > job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> > Iowa - Illinois border...
> >
> > The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
> > entire
> > course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who
have
> > contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
> >
> >
> I believe they were responsible for the Tennessee Valley project? Elect
> tricity as Woody Guthrie sang.
Yep, another great FDR project. Before the REA came on the scene people in
rural areas were pretty much living as they had in 19th century. My folks
(married in 1934) finally got electricity on the farm in 1939. First thing
they bought was a milk separator, then a fridge...these were huge purchases
for folks of their modest means, and the government helped with loans, etc.
to enable them to buy these things. Life immediately became SO much better
for them and their neighbors...something as basic as having electricity.
What happened to such grand thinking? Politicians these days are such
pinheads when it comes to "solving" problems on a big scale...we'll never
see another TVA or REA :-(
--
Best
Greg
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote in
> message news:[email protected] ink.net...
> >
> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> >> Hatunen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
> >> > it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
> >> > you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
> >> > reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
> >>
> >> Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
> >> for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
> >> Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
> >
> >
> > Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a
WPA
> > job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> > Iowa - Illinois border...
> >
> > The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
> > entire
> > course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who
have
> > contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> >
> > --
> > Best
> > Greg
> >
> >
> I believe they were responsible for the Tennessee Valley project? Elect
> tricity as Woody Guthrie sang.
Yep, another great FDR project. Before the REA came on the scene people in
rural areas were pretty much living as they had in 19th century. My folks
(married in 1934) finally got electricity on the farm in 1939. First thing
they bought was a milk separator, then a fridge...these were huge purchases
for folks of their modest means, and the government helped with loans, etc.
to enable them to buy these things. Life immediately became SO much better
for them and their neighbors...something as basic as having electricity.
What happened to such grand thinking? Politicians these days are such
pinheads when it comes to "solving" problems on a big scale...we'll never
see another TVA or REA :-(
--
Best
Greg
Sep 9th 2005, 7:57 am
#107
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
> From: "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net>
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT
> Subject: Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
>
> Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read ;-p
And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to demolish.
Donna Evleth
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net>
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT
> Subject: Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
>
> Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read ;-p
And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to demolish.
Donna Evleth
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
Sep 9th 2005, 8:03 am
#108
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:40:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hatunen wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
> >>> > it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
> >>> > you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
> >>> > reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
> >>>
> >>> Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
> >>> for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
> >>> Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
> >>
> >>
> >>Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
> >>job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> >>Iowa - Illinois border...
> >>
> >>The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
> >>entire
> >>course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
> >>contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> >
> > Their works have also arguably made flooding worse by restricting
> > the flow of the river forcing it to flow even higher. In the
> > flooes on the Ohio River in the early 1960s a large subdivison
> > southeas of Louisville was flooded although it had been elevated
> > above the 1948 flood level; that particualr flood should not have
> > flooded the subdivision, but the Corps had done work that raised
> > the water even higher.
> >
> > The many dams in the watershed of the Mississippi that trap silt
> > are responsible for the shrinking delta below New Orleans
> > removing some of that city's protection from hurricanes.
> >
> > The Corps is now spending a lot of money trying to correct the
> > damage done by the canals it built around Lake Okeechobee in
> > Florida, with the Everglades also suffering.
> >
> > Not to mention, of course, that the public along the Misissippi
> > has come to rely on the many levess and floodwalls the Corps has
> > constructed, so that when they fail (and they do eventually fail)
> > the damage is even worse.
> >
> > The Corps has done some good work, but not everyone will want to
> > grant them "unsung hero" status.
> >
> >
> > ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> > * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> > * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>
> What they did was what they were told to do and they did it well. The
> building of dams in general is now under fire. The Aswan Dam virtually
> 'disappeared' Nubia and the Three Gorges Dam is doing the same for two
> million probably more Chinese as well as flooding some of China's most
> historical sites. Its ecological impact will be immense and unpredictable.
> We interfere with nature at our peril but it's taken most of the 20th
> Century to realise something our forefathers absorbed with their mothers'
> milk.
>
In Oz John, there is a very serious drought at present, with water
storages all along the East Coast drying up at an alarming rate. The
Gold Coast City Council has commissioned a desalination pilot and it
looks as though Brisbane may have to do the same, despite having two
major dams on the Brisbane river and several more scattered about on
more minor watercourses. In the case of Brisbane, the dams on the river
are essential flood mitigation works, as the city has had a history of
being wiped out by floods every few years.1974 was the last major one
and was particularly memorable with the peak flood level at 42 feet,
making the New Orleans situation look quite rosy by comparison.
Fortunately, the construction methods in Brisbane are such that much of
the water was able to drain through houses without too much obstruction,
thus minimising damage. I first arrived in Brisbane to attend boarding
school in 1975 and I can recall the dirty water mark at quite incredible
levels on buildings, although very little visible damage. Some building
owners went to the trouble of preserving the high water mark when they
refurbished.
>
--
Cheers,
Craig
[email protected] says...
>
> "Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 04:40:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> > <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hatunen wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
> >>> > it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
> >>> > you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
> >>> > reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
> >>>
> >>> Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
> >>> for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
> >>> Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
> >>
> >>
> >>Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
> >>job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> >>Iowa - Illinois border...
> >>
> >>The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
> >>entire
> >>course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
> >>contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> >
> > Their works have also arguably made flooding worse by restricting
> > the flow of the river forcing it to flow even higher. In the
> > flooes on the Ohio River in the early 1960s a large subdivison
> > southeas of Louisville was flooded although it had been elevated
> > above the 1948 flood level; that particualr flood should not have
> > flooded the subdivision, but the Corps had done work that raised
> > the water even higher.
> >
> > The many dams in the watershed of the Mississippi that trap silt
> > are responsible for the shrinking delta below New Orleans
> > removing some of that city's protection from hurricanes.
> >
> > The Corps is now spending a lot of money trying to correct the
> > damage done by the canals it built around Lake Okeechobee in
> > Florida, with the Everglades also suffering.
> >
> > Not to mention, of course, that the public along the Misissippi
> > has come to rely on the many levess and floodwalls the Corps has
> > constructed, so that when they fail (and they do eventually fail)
> > the damage is even worse.
> >
> > The Corps has done some good work, but not everyone will want to
> > grant them "unsung hero" status.
> >
> >
> > ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> > * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> > * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
>
> What they did was what they were told to do and they did it well. The
> building of dams in general is now under fire. The Aswan Dam virtually
> 'disappeared' Nubia and the Three Gorges Dam is doing the same for two
> million probably more Chinese as well as flooding some of China's most
> historical sites. Its ecological impact will be immense and unpredictable.
> We interfere with nature at our peril but it's taken most of the 20th
> Century to realise something our forefathers absorbed with their mothers'
> milk.
>
In Oz John, there is a very serious drought at present, with water
storages all along the East Coast drying up at an alarming rate. The
Gold Coast City Council has commissioned a desalination pilot and it
looks as though Brisbane may have to do the same, despite having two
major dams on the Brisbane river and several more scattered about on
more minor watercourses. In the case of Brisbane, the dams on the river
are essential flood mitigation works, as the city has had a history of
being wiped out by floods every few years.1974 was the last major one
and was particularly memorable with the peak flood level at 42 feet,
making the New Orleans situation look quite rosy by comparison.
Fortunately, the construction methods in Brisbane are such that much of
the water was able to drain through houses without too much obstruction,
thus minimising damage. I first arrived in Brisbane to attend boarding
school in 1975 and I can recall the dirty water mark at quite incredible
levels on buildings, although very little visible damage. Some building
owners went to the trouble of preserving the high water mark when they
refurbished.
>
--
Cheers,
Craig
Sep 9th 2005, 8:44 am
#109
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:12:20 +0100, "John Rennie"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>> <You don't just casually
>> drive up to Cape York for one!
>> DFM>
>> Took 6 weeks to drive casually Melbourne to Cairns, asshole. Got off
>> the highway and stayed couple days in many towns on the way. Spent a
>> few days in Manly and took ferry from there to spend some time in
>> Sydney again. Spent some days in lovely Noosa, skipped Surfers Paradise
>> and Brisbane on the way. Have returned to Noosa 3 times in a beautiful
>> condo across from the beach since then we liked it so much. Stayed
>> over a week in Cairns before going back to Honolulu. Yes, Quantas had
>> direct flights then, if they don't now. Took day trips from Cairns to
>> Kuranda/ Atherton tablelands, Port Douglas for day boat excursion to
>> Barrier Reef and drove up to southern part of York peninsula to see
>> rain forests on another day. I am not suicidal, asshole , and didn't go
>> all the way up.
>> On another Australian trip, we flew to Ayers Rock and since it was Feb,
>> it was hot as hell and didn't climb the rock,( Uluru?- I'm sure the old
>> lady here will correct my "nomenclature' if it is wrong). Just looked
>> at the rock
>> from the beautiful hotel there and drove out to the base on a day tour.
>> Some
>> asshole Kraut on one of the many group tours there dropped dead
>> climbing it that day. We were there several days and the group tours
>> are a nuisance. One day all Germans, the next day all Japanese and
>> finally all Americans from CA area who were the worst.
>> We then took a greyhound bus to Alice Springs which I thought was
>> really neat and would love to go back but i will not have a camel meat
>> burger again.
>All made up and we know it. The reason why we ALL know that you are lying
>about your Australian safari is that
>ridiculous claim about the long queues outside Australian hospitals. There
>are not such queues just as there are not similar fantasy queues outside
>Britain's NHS hospitals. You're a liar and that's something that you just
>can't get over.
The bullshit detector blew another globe on that last one. How sad do
you have to be to make this crap up?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] roups.com...
>> <You don't just casually
>> drive up to Cape York for one!
>> DFM>
>> Took 6 weeks to drive casually Melbourne to Cairns, asshole. Got off
>> the highway and stayed couple days in many towns on the way. Spent a
>> few days in Manly and took ferry from there to spend some time in
>> Sydney again. Spent some days in lovely Noosa, skipped Surfers Paradise
>> and Brisbane on the way. Have returned to Noosa 3 times in a beautiful
>> condo across from the beach since then we liked it so much. Stayed
>> over a week in Cairns before going back to Honolulu. Yes, Quantas had
>> direct flights then, if they don't now. Took day trips from Cairns to
>> Kuranda/ Atherton tablelands, Port Douglas for day boat excursion to
>> Barrier Reef and drove up to southern part of York peninsula to see
>> rain forests on another day. I am not suicidal, asshole , and didn't go
>> all the way up.
>> On another Australian trip, we flew to Ayers Rock and since it was Feb,
>> it was hot as hell and didn't climb the rock,( Uluru?- I'm sure the old
>> lady here will correct my "nomenclature' if it is wrong). Just looked
>> at the rock
>> from the beautiful hotel there and drove out to the base on a day tour.
>> Some
>> asshole Kraut on one of the many group tours there dropped dead
>> climbing it that day. We were there several days and the group tours
>> are a nuisance. One day all Germans, the next day all Japanese and
>> finally all Americans from CA area who were the worst.
>> We then took a greyhound bus to Alice Springs which I thought was
>> really neat and would love to go back but i will not have a camel meat
>> burger again.
>All made up and we know it. The reason why we ALL know that you are lying
>about your Australian safari is that
>ridiculous claim about the long queues outside Australian hospitals. There
>are not such queues just as there are not similar fantasy queues outside
>Britain's NHS hospitals. You're a liar and that's something that you just
>can't get over.
The bullshit detector blew another globe on that last one. How sad do
you have to be to make this crap up?
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Sep 9th 2005, 9:02 am
#110
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
Gregory Morrow wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
>>Hatunen wrote:
>>>Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
>>>it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
>>>you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
>>>reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
>>Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
>>for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
>>Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
>
>
>
> Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
> job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> Iowa - Illinois border...
>
> The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the entire
> course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
> contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
But they can't perform miracles, when the funding for them
keeps shrinking.
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
>>Hatunen wrote:
>>>Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
>>>it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
>>>you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
>>>reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
>>Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
>>for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
>>Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
>
>
>
> Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
> job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
> Iowa - Illinois border...
>
> The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the entire
> course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
> contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
But they can't perform miracles, when the funding for them
keeps shrinking.
>
Sep 9th 2005, 10:23 am
#111
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:21:41 +0100, "John Rennie"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> The Corps has done some good work, but not everyone will want to
>> grant them "unsung hero" status.
>What they did was what they were told to do and they did it well.
That's not quite true. The Corps comes up with some of the
projects, many as adjuncts or embellishments of existing
projects, on their own, or at the request of local officials (or
Congresscritters). They still have to lobby Congress for the
funding, so in a strict sense Congress tells them what to do, I
suppose.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> The Corps has done some good work, but not everyone will want to
>> grant them "unsung hero" status.
>What they did was what they were told to do and they did it well.
That's not quite true. The Corps comes up with some of the
projects, many as adjuncts or embellishments of existing
projects, on their own, or at the request of local officials (or
Congresscritters). They still have to lobby Congress for the
funding, so in a strict sense Congress tells them what to do, I
suppose.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Sep 9th 2005, 1:58 pm
#112
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:23:43 -0700, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
>That's not quite true. The Corps comes up with some of the
>projects, many as adjuncts or embellishments of existing
>projects, on their own, or at the request of local officials (or
>Congresscritters). They still have to lobby Congress for the
>funding, so in a strict sense Congress tells them what to do, I
>suppose.
And no one will be investigating the Congress for it's failure to fund
the improvements to the levee system while handing out millions for
the member's own pet projects.
Gordon
>That's not quite true. The Corps comes up with some of the
>projects, many as adjuncts or embellishments of existing
>projects, on their own, or at the request of local officials (or
>Congresscritters). They still have to lobby Congress for the
>funding, so in a strict sense Congress tells them what to do, I
>suppose.
And no one will be investigating the Congress for it's failure to fund
the improvements to the levee system while handing out millions for
the member's own pet projects.
Gordon
Sep 9th 2005, 3:46 pm
#113
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
"Euro" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>> <we ALL know that you are lying
>> about your Australian safari
>> John Rennie>
>> You are the liar. Show evidence where I claimed I went on an Australian
>> "safari".
>> You were a proven liar in your exchange with Susie concerning the Brit
>> Muslims celebrating 911 and you are merely again proving yourself to be
>> a pathological liar.
>
> You do sound like James Noles at times.
Oh my word... And who did you sound like when you insisted that no one
need bother to help any of our species? In your words --
/quote/ "Is anyone supposed to "provide an iota of benefit for our species"?
Why should they?" /unquote/
See --
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...bac7ba10920fb7
I imagine that the local disaster team in New Orleans, the state disaster
team in Louisiana, or FEMA are looking for you to assist them, given
your argument that there is no need to be concerned about helping our
fellow human beings. After all, you did say you would have voted for
Bush if you could have in the last election. This is just too easy for
me. Your words -- "I come to consider more and more that the election
of Bush in November would be preferable." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=su...ampabay.rr.com
Be careful what you wish for.
And while John Rennie was "technically correct," technicalities are
those quirks used to twist the truth. The truth which was the
celebrations for the "19 Martyrs" did take place in the U.K., and
they took place on 9/11, and a great number of people participated
in those celebrations on that date. Susan was essentially quite
correct in her comment, since those who did participate in those
celebrations certainly enjoyed going to them while traveling the
streets toward the Mosque. They did not travel the streets while
weeping for the victims, unless you or John argue that those
"19 Martyrs" were "victims." That's something I'd like to see
you claim.
Planet Visitor II
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
> Euro
>
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>> <we ALL know that you are lying
>> about your Australian safari
>> John Rennie>
>> You are the liar. Show evidence where I claimed I went on an Australian
>> "safari".
>> You were a proven liar in your exchange with Susie concerning the Brit
>> Muslims celebrating 911 and you are merely again proving yourself to be
>> a pathological liar.
>
> You do sound like James Noles at times.
Oh my word... And who did you sound like when you insisted that no one
need bother to help any of our species? In your words --
/quote/ "Is anyone supposed to "provide an iota of benefit for our species"?
Why should they?" /unquote/
See --
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...bac7ba10920fb7
I imagine that the local disaster team in New Orleans, the state disaster
team in Louisiana, or FEMA are looking for you to assist them, given
your argument that there is no need to be concerned about helping our
fellow human beings. After all, you did say you would have voted for
Bush if you could have in the last election. This is just too easy for
me. Your words -- "I come to consider more and more that the election
of Bush in November would be preferable." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=su...ampabay.rr.com
Be careful what you wish for.
And while John Rennie was "technically correct," technicalities are
those quirks used to twist the truth. The truth which was the
celebrations for the "19 Martyrs" did take place in the U.K., and
they took place on 9/11, and a great number of people participated
in those celebrations on that date. Susan was essentially quite
correct in her comment, since those who did participate in those
celebrations certainly enjoyed going to them while traveling the
streets toward the Mosque. They did not travel the streets while
weeping for the victims, unless you or John argue that those
"19 Martyrs" were "victims." That's something I'd like to see
you claim.
Planet Visitor II
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
> Euro
Sep 9th 2005, 7:07 pm
#114
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>>Hatunen wrote:
>>>>Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
>>>>it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
>>>>you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
>>>>reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
>>>Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
>>>for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
>>>Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
>> Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
>> job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
>> Iowa - Illinois border...
>> The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
>> entire
>> course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
>> contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> But they can't perform miracles, when the funding for them keeps
> shrinking.
And the enviros such as the Sierra Club who sued (and suceeded) to prevent
raising the levee's, etc along the Mighty Mississippi.
news:[email protected]...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>>Hatunen wrote:
>>>>Does it matter? The government does spend for such things. Once
>>>>it says it is going to it should follow through. In the law, if
>>>>you or I make a promise and the other party relies on it, and we
>>>>reneg, the other party has a cause of action.
>>>Historically, the U.S. Army Engineers have been responsible
>>>for navigable waterways in the continental U.S. - the
>>>Mississippi has always qualified as one, SFAIK.
>> Yep. Back in the early 30's when my parents got married my dad had a WPA
>> job working to build one of the lock and dams on the Mississippi on the
>> Iowa - Illinois border...
>> The US Army Corps of Engineers did and still do control things on the
>> entire
>> course of the Mississippi River, they are actually unsung heroes who have
>> contributed *much* to the stability of life in the USA...
> But they can't perform miracles, when the funding for them keeps
> shrinking.
And the enviros such as the Sierra Club who sued (and suceeded) to prevent
raising the levee's, etc along the Mighty Mississippi.
Sep 9th 2005, 8:37 pm
#115
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:36:24 +0100, "John Rennie"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Er? Me or him?
Him of course.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Er? Me or him?
Him of course.
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Sep 9th 2005, 9:33 pm
#116
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
"Planet Visitor II" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
snip
> And while John Rennie was "technically correct,"
I was either correct or I was wrong. Don't wriggle.
technicalities are
> those quirks used to twist the truth. The truth which was the
> celebrations for the "19 Martyrs" did take place in the U.K., and
> they took place on 9/11, and a great number of people participated
> in those celebrations on that date.
They did not have a street demonstration and the
commemoration INSIDE the mosque was not
held on the 11th September, 2001.
Susan was essentially quite
> correct in her comment, since those who did participate in those
> celebrations certainly enjoyed going to them while traveling the
> streets toward the Mosque.
You have 'enjoyed' going to various celebrations in your life
but you would not include the going as part of that celebration
would you? Essentially' Susan was completely wrong as you are.
They did not travel the streets while
> weeping for the victims, unless you or John argue that those
> "19 Martyrs" were "victims." That's something I'd like to see
> you claim.
> Planet Visitor II
> http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
It is a shame to see you supporting possibly the greatest
and funniest liar we have had for some time on this group
(there is a notable exsception but I won't go into that).
news:[email protected]...
snip
> And while John Rennie was "technically correct,"
I was either correct or I was wrong. Don't wriggle.
technicalities are
> those quirks used to twist the truth. The truth which was the
> celebrations for the "19 Martyrs" did take place in the U.K., and
> they took place on 9/11, and a great number of people participated
> in those celebrations on that date.
They did not have a street demonstration and the
commemoration INSIDE the mosque was not
held on the 11th September, 2001.
Susan was essentially quite
> correct in her comment, since those who did participate in those
> celebrations certainly enjoyed going to them while traveling the
> streets toward the Mosque.
You have 'enjoyed' going to various celebrations in your life
but you would not include the going as part of that celebration
would you? Essentially' Susan was completely wrong as you are.
They did not travel the streets while
> weeping for the victims, unless you or John argue that those
> "19 Martyrs" were "victims." That's something I'd like to see
> you claim.
> Planet Visitor II
> http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
It is a shame to see you supporting possibly the greatest
and funniest liar we have had for some time on this group
(there is a notable exsception but I won't go into that).
Sep 9th 2005, 10:44 pm
#117
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
<<Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read
;-p
Gregory Morrow>>
<And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
demolish.
Donna Evleth>
And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
"demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
respond.
;-p
Gregory Morrow>>
<And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
demolish.
Donna Evleth>
And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
"demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
respond.
Sep 10th 2005, 2:21 am
#118
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
<<<Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read
;-p
Gregory Morrow>>>
<<And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
demolish.
Donna Evleth>>
<And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
"demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
respond.
PJ>
And PV does the daily "demolishing".
;-p
Gregory Morrow>>>
<<And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
demolish.
Donna Evleth>>
<And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
"demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
respond.
PJ>
And PV does the daily "demolishing".
Sep 10th 2005, 2:22 am
#119
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Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
<Took 6 weeks to drive casually Melbourne to Cairns, asshole. Got off
the highway and stayed couple days in many towns on the way. Spent a
few days in Manly and took ferry from there to spend some time in
Sydney again.
PJ>
<Would Manly be one of the "towns" you stayed in then?
Craig>
I guess your qoutes mean I am attacked again for "nomenclature". OK. I
hope it makes your day but I guess you are inferring that Manly is an
extension of metropolitan Sydney.
Without calling the credit card company to verify, I believe it was '88
when we first visited Sydney after I retired in '87. It was right
after your bicentennial. Does that sound right? We had been to New
Zealand for the first time , flying from Honolulu to Christ Church.
After renting a car and touring South Island we went up to North island
and Auckland and then
flew over to Sydney. I am sure somebody will correct if I should have
said
"up" to Sydney.
My wife is the youngest of her siblings by over 10 years. Her big
brother
spent time in New Zealand with the US Marine Corps during WWII before
going into combat in the Pacific. He came back with pictures and she
always wanted to go to New Zealand but we didn't have time due to the
distance until I retired, so we focused on shorter trips to Europe
before. Since we were relatively close, I thought we should check out
Sydney. We liked New Zealand but were captivated with Sydney and
Australia.
When we went to Sydney, the first time, we stayed in a hotel, I forget
the name of, right on the harbor adjacent to or in the Rocks. We took
the usual tourist day bus and harbor tours, hiked the bridge and one
day took the ferry from circular quay (Sp?) for a day in Manly. We
decided that day we would return to see more of Australia and stay in
Manly when in the Sydney
area.
Without checking the credit card bills, I believe in '88, we connected
to Melboune, stayed near the University there after touring Melbourne
picked up a car and headed North toward Sydney and eventually North of
Cairns. I recall staying places like Lakes Entrance in Victoria, Eden,
perimbula ulladulla, woolongong, and some place where the ocean was
spouting out of the rocks, guess in NSW. I recall being thrown for a
loop driving when the right of way rules changed between Victoria and
NSW particularly at the circles ("roundabouts"?)
We then went on to Manly stayed in the Pacific something right across
from the beautiful beach there. Found one of our favorite restaurants
in the world
at Shelley? beach. You had walk on a walkway along the ocean to get
there. We returned to Manly a several times later, laying over in
Sydney to several days to go on to other destinations staying at a
smaller Radisson further down the beachcloser to our favorite
restaurant.
Venturing further North in 88, I recall particularly Byron Bay and all
the young topless girls there and then into beautiful Queensland and
Noosa.
We found a neat condo right acroos from the beach at the edge of Noosa
Heads Park that we have returned to several times, last time '98. We
liked to go down also to Mooloolaba (sp.) for day drives and lunch. We
usually go Australia beginning of Feb when the kids there are back in
school and some of the luxury hotels are unbelievably reasonable for
us. In past years we took a small ferry and stayed at a really neat
resort on Fraser Island a few days once, checked out Dunk, Hamilton and
maybe Magnetic? each for a day.
Another favorite is beautiful, tropical Cairns which we visit at every
opportunity.
Since we are really not beach people the fact that ocean swimming is
not recommended there due to the lethal "sea wasps", "jelly fish"
("nomenclature" correction, please) in Feb does not bother us in the
least.
One of the major luxury hotels there seems to ,cater to the group tours
which we try to avoid. We stay at another right on the main street
along the bay, river, harbor
whatever is the "correct nomenclature" for that body of water in Cairns
with the mountains in the background. With the right room one can get a
view of both from
the balcony. Evenings n those balconies with a few glasses of the
excellent Australian wine before dinner and watching the tropical
birds swoop in is a real delight before dinner. There is a neat
restaurant there adjacent to the hotel, right on the
water, Tullys or Tallys, I hope it is still there. We enjoy the
barramundi (sp?) with prawn sauce there which brings up an interesting
gastronomic situation for me.
Approaching my 74th birthday, my digestive system has become
increasingly intolerant of shell fish to the point i have had to avoid
it at home years ago.
However, I do not appear to have the problem with Australian shell
fish. Last time in Noosa in 98, I had the delightful Moreton Bay Bugs
every single night without incident. If i tried those baby lobsters at
home I would prepare to meet my maker.
May one of the "mates" here could explain? Thanks and thanks for
giving me the opportunity to recollect on the enjoyable and stimulating
experiences, i have had visiting Australia. Which reminds me...
One of our trips early 90's (would have to check credit card records),
we started
out from our closest international airport in Atlanta and flew to San
Francisco to
visit our son who was at Berkeley, then on to Honolulu for a few days.
Then I don't recall whether it was Brisbane with a some days in Noosa
or Sydney with some days in Manly but then on to Perth in the west.
Recall visiting Freemantel, Port Arthur, rotsnest or ratsnest which is
a beautiful island despite its name Checked National georgraphic maps
and discovered we were just about half way around before we left
and decided not to turn around to go home from Perth. We then proceeded
to fly to Singapore, visited up the peninsula to Malaysia and then flew
to Athens and did the typical tourist things tourists do in Greece. We
then flew on to London and from London which is like visiting Newark
NJ, so we flew back to Atlanta from there ASAP and then to our
daughter's house nearby in Marietta to pick up our car to drive back
250 + miles home to SW Georgia to enjoy the early March spring and the
Japanese magnolia trees in bloom followed shortly thereafter by the
profusion of azaleas in bloom.
<<and drove up to southern part of York peninsula to see
rain forests on another day. I am not suicidal, asshole , and didn't
go
all the way up.
PJ>>
<Why would you have to be suicidal, PJ?.. I was never menaced by
blackfellas or attacked by
crocodiles once. Mind you, I'm not congenitally stupid, so your wife
probably made the right decision for you.
Craig>
No concern over crocdoiles or "blackfellas". I am from SW Georgia so we
live peacefully and with mutual respect for both (not "crocs" though
but "gators").
You probably know cairns better than me in Feb. Few times I have been
there it was sunny in the morning and you could see clouds building up
late morning, early afternoon, followed by tropical, torrential
downpours mid afternoon with flash flooding. I wanted to go up further
but we were advised not to, since we didn't know the terrain and where
dangerous flooding could occur.
You are right about my wife. She is not a "rugged" type by a stretch
and
enjoys only luxury type accomodations. As I tell her all the time, I
think she must have descended from royalty that she doesn't know about.
I did notice from Queensland guide books there were what sounded like
neat rain forest resorts further north. Even had my eye on renting a
jeep type 4wd out of Cairns but couldn't talk her into it particularly
when the locals advised against it.
When were planning our Australian excursion to Ayers Rock and Alice
Springs, I inquired on the net then about renting a car and driving
from Ayers to Alice, again in Feb (it was hotter than hot there then),
and got good advice not to drive for the same reason and to take a
greyhound bus from Ayers Rock. I sat up with the driver on most of the
trip. He was an untenured academic, I believe in Sociology, from Sydney
(where else?), spending that summer driving while his wife and kids
were back in Sydney. He was very knowledgeable about the area and it
was a very interesting day and Alice was so interesting. The red
desert is one of the most beautiful places on earth, We came across a
Dutch artist living in Alice who was inspired by the red desert with
the "Ghost gums" ?( "nomenclature', again) and his work captured it
perfectly.
Thanks again for allowing me to recollect
the highway and stayed couple days in many towns on the way. Spent a
few days in Manly and took ferry from there to spend some time in
Sydney again.
PJ>
<Would Manly be one of the "towns" you stayed in then?
Craig>
I guess your qoutes mean I am attacked again for "nomenclature". OK. I
hope it makes your day but I guess you are inferring that Manly is an
extension of metropolitan Sydney.
Without calling the credit card company to verify, I believe it was '88
when we first visited Sydney after I retired in '87. It was right
after your bicentennial. Does that sound right? We had been to New
Zealand for the first time , flying from Honolulu to Christ Church.
After renting a car and touring South Island we went up to North island
and Auckland and then
flew over to Sydney. I am sure somebody will correct if I should have
said
"up" to Sydney.
My wife is the youngest of her siblings by over 10 years. Her big
brother
spent time in New Zealand with the US Marine Corps during WWII before
going into combat in the Pacific. He came back with pictures and she
always wanted to go to New Zealand but we didn't have time due to the
distance until I retired, so we focused on shorter trips to Europe
before. Since we were relatively close, I thought we should check out
Sydney. We liked New Zealand but were captivated with Sydney and
Australia.
When we went to Sydney, the first time, we stayed in a hotel, I forget
the name of, right on the harbor adjacent to or in the Rocks. We took
the usual tourist day bus and harbor tours, hiked the bridge and one
day took the ferry from circular quay (Sp?) for a day in Manly. We
decided that day we would return to see more of Australia and stay in
Manly when in the Sydney
area.
Without checking the credit card bills, I believe in '88, we connected
to Melboune, stayed near the University there after touring Melbourne
picked up a car and headed North toward Sydney and eventually North of
Cairns. I recall staying places like Lakes Entrance in Victoria, Eden,
perimbula ulladulla, woolongong, and some place where the ocean was
spouting out of the rocks, guess in NSW. I recall being thrown for a
loop driving when the right of way rules changed between Victoria and
NSW particularly at the circles ("roundabouts"?)
We then went on to Manly stayed in the Pacific something right across
from the beautiful beach there. Found one of our favorite restaurants
in the world
at Shelley? beach. You had walk on a walkway along the ocean to get
there. We returned to Manly a several times later, laying over in
Sydney to several days to go on to other destinations staying at a
smaller Radisson further down the beachcloser to our favorite
restaurant.
Venturing further North in 88, I recall particularly Byron Bay and all
the young topless girls there and then into beautiful Queensland and
Noosa.
We found a neat condo right acroos from the beach at the edge of Noosa
Heads Park that we have returned to several times, last time '98. We
liked to go down also to Mooloolaba (sp.) for day drives and lunch. We
usually go Australia beginning of Feb when the kids there are back in
school and some of the luxury hotels are unbelievably reasonable for
us. In past years we took a small ferry and stayed at a really neat
resort on Fraser Island a few days once, checked out Dunk, Hamilton and
maybe Magnetic? each for a day.
Another favorite is beautiful, tropical Cairns which we visit at every
opportunity.
Since we are really not beach people the fact that ocean swimming is
not recommended there due to the lethal "sea wasps", "jelly fish"
("nomenclature" correction, please) in Feb does not bother us in the
least.
One of the major luxury hotels there seems to ,cater to the group tours
which we try to avoid. We stay at another right on the main street
along the bay, river, harbor
whatever is the "correct nomenclature" for that body of water in Cairns
with the mountains in the background. With the right room one can get a
view of both from
the balcony. Evenings n those balconies with a few glasses of the
excellent Australian wine before dinner and watching the tropical
birds swoop in is a real delight before dinner. There is a neat
restaurant there adjacent to the hotel, right on the
water, Tullys or Tallys, I hope it is still there. We enjoy the
barramundi (sp?) with prawn sauce there which brings up an interesting
gastronomic situation for me.
Approaching my 74th birthday, my digestive system has become
increasingly intolerant of shell fish to the point i have had to avoid
it at home years ago.
However, I do not appear to have the problem with Australian shell
fish. Last time in Noosa in 98, I had the delightful Moreton Bay Bugs
every single night without incident. If i tried those baby lobsters at
home I would prepare to meet my maker.
May one of the "mates" here could explain? Thanks and thanks for
giving me the opportunity to recollect on the enjoyable and stimulating
experiences, i have had visiting Australia. Which reminds me...
One of our trips early 90's (would have to check credit card records),
we started
out from our closest international airport in Atlanta and flew to San
Francisco to
visit our son who was at Berkeley, then on to Honolulu for a few days.
Then I don't recall whether it was Brisbane with a some days in Noosa
or Sydney with some days in Manly but then on to Perth in the west.
Recall visiting Freemantel, Port Arthur, rotsnest or ratsnest which is
a beautiful island despite its name Checked National georgraphic maps
and discovered we were just about half way around before we left
and decided not to turn around to go home from Perth. We then proceeded
to fly to Singapore, visited up the peninsula to Malaysia and then flew
to Athens and did the typical tourist things tourists do in Greece. We
then flew on to London and from London which is like visiting Newark
NJ, so we flew back to Atlanta from there ASAP and then to our
daughter's house nearby in Marietta to pick up our car to drive back
250 + miles home to SW Georgia to enjoy the early March spring and the
Japanese magnolia trees in bloom followed shortly thereafter by the
profusion of azaleas in bloom.
<<and drove up to southern part of York peninsula to see
rain forests on another day. I am not suicidal, asshole , and didn't
go
all the way up.
PJ>>
<Why would you have to be suicidal, PJ?.. I was never menaced by
blackfellas or attacked by
crocodiles once. Mind you, I'm not congenitally stupid, so your wife
probably made the right decision for you.
Craig>
No concern over crocdoiles or "blackfellas". I am from SW Georgia so we
live peacefully and with mutual respect for both (not "crocs" though
but "gators").
You probably know cairns better than me in Feb. Few times I have been
there it was sunny in the morning and you could see clouds building up
late morning, early afternoon, followed by tropical, torrential
downpours mid afternoon with flash flooding. I wanted to go up further
but we were advised not to, since we didn't know the terrain and where
dangerous flooding could occur.
You are right about my wife. She is not a "rugged" type by a stretch
and
enjoys only luxury type accomodations. As I tell her all the time, I
think she must have descended from royalty that she doesn't know about.
I did notice from Queensland guide books there were what sounded like
neat rain forest resorts further north. Even had my eye on renting a
jeep type 4wd out of Cairns but couldn't talk her into it particularly
when the locals advised against it.
When were planning our Australian excursion to Ayers Rock and Alice
Springs, I inquired on the net then about renting a car and driving
from Ayers to Alice, again in Feb (it was hotter than hot there then),
and got good advice not to drive for the same reason and to take a
greyhound bus from Ayers Rock. I sat up with the driver on most of the
trip. He was an untenured academic, I believe in Sociology, from Sydney
(where else?), spending that summer driving while his wife and kids
were back in Sydney. He was very knowledgeable about the area and it
was a very interesting day and Alice was so interesting. The red
desert is one of the most beautiful places on earth, We came across a
Dutch artist living in Alice who was inspired by the red desert with
the "Ghost gums" ?( "nomenclature', again) and his work captured it
perfectly.
Thanks again for allowing me to recollect
Sep 10th 2005, 7:50 am
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
> From: "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc
> Date: 10 Sep 2005 03:44:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
>
> <<Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read
> ;-p
> Gregory Morrow>>
>
> <And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
> demolish.
>
> Donna Evleth>
>
> And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
> thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
>
> Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
> "demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
> respond.
We will be going on vacation in Greece from 12 to 30 September. That means
that you will not have to stalk us on this newsgroup for a whole 19 days.
Yes, we have noticed that you do not post when we are gone.
Donna Evleth
>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty,rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc
> Date: 10 Sep 2005 03:44:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: Katrina: A response to the vultures of the left
>
> <<Well, you *do* have to admit that PJ's rubbish is rather fun to read
> ;-p
> Gregory Morrow>>
>
> <And fun to respond to, because his "arguments" are so easy to
> demolish.
>
> Donna Evleth>
>
> And your daily anecdotal discharges in which you delude yourself into
> thinking they are gospel is great fun for me.
>
> Speaking of daily occurrences here, "arguments" by you and Earl get
> "demolished" on a daily basis to the extent that neither of you can
> respond.
We will be going on vacation in Greece from 12 to 30 September. That means
that you will not have to stalk us on this newsgroup for a whole 19 days.
Yes, we have noticed that you do not post when we are gone.
Donna Evleth
>
