Is Iraq in Europe or Asia ?
Jul 19th 2004, 10:56 am
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Re: Is Iraq in Europe or Asia ?
"a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<J8SKc.446
> Stop confusing geography with culture and/or politics.
>
> Surreyman
Surreyman, learn the English language:
http://www.readingrockets.org/
> Stop confusing geography with culture and/or politics.
>
> Surreyman
Surreyman, learn the English language:
http://www.readingrockets.org/
Jul 19th 2004, 11:05 am
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> There is in fact a very detailed definition, river & peak by river & peak,
> based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large scale
> maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
> (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
>
> Surreyman
OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
> based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large scale
> maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
> (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
>
> Surreyman
OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
Jul 19th 2004, 10:10 pm
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"Jen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > There is in fact a very detailed definition, river & peak by river &
peak,
> > based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large
scale
> > maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
> > (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
> >
> > Surreyman
> OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
> now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
They do tend to be involved when discussing borders.
Surreyman
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> > There is in fact a very detailed definition, river & peak by river &
peak,
> > based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large
scale
> > maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
> > (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
> >
> > Surreyman
> OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
> now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
They do tend to be involved when discussing borders.
Surreyman
Jul 19th 2004, 10:17 pm
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Following up to Jen
>> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
>> look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
>> Europe?
>This is not possible because a South American "country" can not
>"adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
Of course I do. Do you understand hypothetical?
>And "look to..." ????????
Spain
>> Europe is a term of physical geography
>Wrong. I do not see the words "physical geography" in the Oxford
>dictionary definition of Europe.
>As I said, "...the geographic area known as Europe" concerns the
>topography of a region, or "geography", which is, "...a description of
>the earth, or a portion of the earth, including its structure,
>features, products, political divisions, and the people by whom it is
>inhabited."
>Has the Fell-walker fallen on his face? Read the above paragraph
>again. If you don't understand the words, learn English and come back
>another day.
Your wrong, admit it rather than getting abusive.
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>> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
>> look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
>> Europe?
>This is not possible because a South American "country" can not
>"adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
Of course I do. Do you understand hypothetical?
>And "look to..." ????????
Spain
>> Europe is a term of physical geography
>Wrong. I do not see the words "physical geography" in the Oxford
>dictionary definition of Europe.
>As I said, "...the geographic area known as Europe" concerns the
>topography of a region, or "geography", which is, "...a description of
>the earth, or a portion of the earth, including its structure,
>features, products, political divisions, and the people by whom it is
>inhabited."
>Has the Fell-walker fallen on his face? Read the above paragraph
>again. If you don't understand the words, learn English and come back
>another day.
Your wrong, admit it rather than getting abusive.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jul 19th 2004, 10:36 pm
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"Jen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
> > look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
> > Europe?
> This is not possible because a South American "country" can not
> "adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
So how come an African/Indian Ocean country was the first to use it ?
http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-reu.htm
and how come a central american / carribean country is allowed to use it ?
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mb.html
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> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
> > look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
> > Europe?
> This is not possible because a South American "country" can not
> "adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
So how come an African/Indian Ocean country was the first to use it ?
http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-reu.htm
and how come a central american / carribean country is allowed to use it ?
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mb.html
Jul 20th 2004, 5:02 am
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> > This is not possible because a South American "country" can not
> > "adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
> >
>
> So how come an African/Indian Ocean country was the first to use it ?
>
> http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-reu.htm
>
> and how come a central american / carribean country is allowed to use it ?
>
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mb.html
Read the text in your first link:
"The 1st of January 2002 saw the Euro coins and notes become official
legal tender not only in the 12 initial EU-member Eurozone
countries..."
Do you not understand the meaning of "initial" in the above text?
The article continues:
"Prior to the Euro, the official legal tender of Reunion had been the
French Franc, so with E-day this had to change."
The emphasis here is, "had to change", in other words, France axed the
Franc so their overseas departments had to change too. Duh!
Look at what the text says in your second link:
"overseas department of France"
The answer to your question is in your own text. You ask, "how come a
central american / carribean country is allowed to use it" Duh,
because its an overseas department of France. Do you think they could
continue using the Franc while France is using the Euro?
The comment was, ">> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and
are catholic and look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be
part of
Europe?"
Again, this is not possible because a South American "country" can not
"adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
the EU.
> > "adopt" the Euro. Do you not understand why it's called the Euro?
> >
>
> So how come an African/Indian Ocean country was the first to use it ?
>
> http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-reu.htm
>
> and how come a central american / carribean country is allowed to use it ?
>
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/mb.html
Read the text in your first link:
"The 1st of January 2002 saw the Euro coins and notes become official
legal tender not only in the 12 initial EU-member Eurozone
countries..."
Do you not understand the meaning of "initial" in the above text?
The article continues:
"Prior to the Euro, the official legal tender of Reunion had been the
French Franc, so with E-day this had to change."
The emphasis here is, "had to change", in other words, France axed the
Franc so their overseas departments had to change too. Duh!
Look at what the text says in your second link:
"overseas department of France"
The answer to your question is in your own text. You ask, "how come a
central american / carribean country is allowed to use it" Duh,
because its an overseas department of France. Do you think they could
continue using the Franc while France is using the Euro?
The comment was, ">> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and
are catholic and look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be
part of
Europe?"
Again, this is not possible because a South American "country" can not
"adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
the EU.
Jul 20th 2004, 9:01 pm
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> Again, this is not possible because a South American "country" can not
> "adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
> uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
> a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
> use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
> luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
> the EU.
I really dont want this to turn into another discussion on the definition of
words, but some South American countries use the US dollar as well as their
own currency, and could therefore have been said to have 'adopted' it in a
general sense of the word. They could, if their population so desired,
'adopt' the Euro in the same way.
Is the Falklands Islands a "country" ?
It has its own currency. (and NO ATM'S)
If the UK adopted the Euro what would the Falklands do ?
http://www.tourism.org.fk/necessary-info.htm
> "adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
> uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
> a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
> use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
> luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
> the EU.
I really dont want this to turn into another discussion on the definition of
words, but some South American countries use the US dollar as well as their
own currency, and could therefore have been said to have 'adopted' it in a
general sense of the word. They could, if their population so desired,
'adopt' the Euro in the same way.
Is the Falklands Islands a "country" ?
It has its own currency. (and NO ATM'S)
If the UK adopted the Euro what would the Falklands do ?
http://www.tourism.org.fk/necessary-info.htm
Jul 21st 2004, 12:23 am
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>> Again, this is not possible because a South American "country" can not
>> "adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
>> uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
>> a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
>> use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
>> luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>> the EU.
You don't have to be in the EU to use the euro!
It is used in Bosnia & Herzegovina, Monaco, San Marino, Montenegro and
The Vatican, none of which are in the EU, afaik.
Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo ,
Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Mali, Niger,
Senegal and Togo all use currencies that are pegged to the Euro
(formerly the franc).
It's also widely used in electronic form in large parts of eastern
europe. For example, houses and cars are bought in euro.
>> Again, this is not possible because a South American "country" can not
>> "adopt" the Euro. It is quite obvious that if a country like France
>> uses the Euro then their overseas departments use it too. However for
>> a South American country like Guatemala, independent from Spain, to
>> use the Euro as their national currency, they will not have a lot of
>> luck. The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>> the EU.
You don't have to be in the EU to use the euro!
It is used in Bosnia & Herzegovina, Monaco, San Marino, Montenegro and
The Vatican, none of which are in the EU, afaik.
Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo ,
Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Mali, Niger,
Senegal and Togo all use currencies that are pegged to the Euro
(formerly the franc).
It's also widely used in electronic form in large parts of eastern
europe. For example, houses and cars are bought in euro.
Jul 21st 2004, 12:49 am
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:09 +0100, Miss L. Toe wrote:
>> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>> the EU.
How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
--
Tim C.
>> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>> the EU.
How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
--
Tim C.
Jul 21st 2004, 12:57 am
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On 19 Jul 2004 15:56:47 -0700, Jen wrote:
> "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<J8SKc.446
>
>> Stop confusing geography with culture and/or politics.
>>
>> Surreyman
>
> Surreyman, learn the English language:
> http://www.readingrockets.org/
Sees argument being lost, resorts to abuse.
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> "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<J8SKc.446
>
>> Stop confusing geography with culture and/or politics.
>>
>> Surreyman
>
> Surreyman, learn the English language:
> http://www.readingrockets.org/
Sees argument being lost, resorts to abuse.
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Jul 21st 2004, 12:59 am
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:26:06 +0100, Jan wrote:
> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>> "The Reids" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Following up to Jen
>>>> Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the
>>>> geography known as Europe
>>> The Canary islands are in/off Africa. Politically they are in the
>>> EU[1] and culturally they largely look to Spain. But in tewrms of
>>> physical geography they are african.
>>> 1] As are a number of colonial islands such as Martinique,
>>> Reunion and the Isle of Sheppey.
>>> --
>>> Mike Reid
>> Indeed you're right. But also Cyprus, contrary to Jen:s personal
>> opinion, is usually considered to be in Asia. Quite easy to
>> understand after a look at the map. Cyprus being somewhere between
>> Asian Turkey,Syria and Lebanon. A few may consider Cyprus to be in
>> Europe because of the cultural ties but most people don't. My
>> dictionary indicates clear that Cyprus isn't in Europe.
>> But that said it could be reason to say there are no absolute clear
>> borders of Europe as they're by tradition only. Contrary to the
>> borders of countries the borders of Europe isn't defined in treaties
>> or official documents.
>
> No No No ......Cyprus must be in Europe... for they do indeed take part in
> the Eurovision song contest !!!!! ;-)
>
> Jan
So does (did) Israel and Turkey. So what?
--
Tim C.
> Lennart Petersen wrote:
>> "The Reids" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Following up to Jen
>>>> Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the
>>>> geography known as Europe
>>> The Canary islands are in/off Africa. Politically they are in the
>>> EU[1] and culturally they largely look to Spain. But in tewrms of
>>> physical geography they are african.
>>> 1] As are a number of colonial islands such as Martinique,
>>> Reunion and the Isle of Sheppey.
>>> --
>>> Mike Reid
>> Indeed you're right. But also Cyprus, contrary to Jen:s personal
>> opinion, is usually considered to be in Asia. Quite easy to
>> understand after a look at the map. Cyprus being somewhere between
>> Asian Turkey,Syria and Lebanon. A few may consider Cyprus to be in
>> Europe because of the cultural ties but most people don't. My
>> dictionary indicates clear that Cyprus isn't in Europe.
>> But that said it could be reason to say there are no absolute clear
>> borders of Europe as they're by tradition only. Contrary to the
>> borders of countries the borders of Europe isn't defined in treaties
>> or official documents.
>
> No No No ......Cyprus must be in Europe... for they do indeed take part in
> the Eurovision song contest !!!!! ;-)
>
> Jan
So does (did) Israel and Turkey. So what?
--
Tim C.
Jul 21st 2004, 1:01 am
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On 19 Jul 2004 16:05:56 -0700, Jen wrote:
>> There is in fact a very detailed definition, river & peak by river & peak,
>> based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large scale
>> maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
>> (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
>>
>> Surreyman
>
> OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
>
> now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
How would you define the borders of Switzerland then?
--
Tim C.
>> There is in fact a very detailed definition, river & peak by river & peak,
>> based on the Urals and through to Georgia. I needed to map it on large scale
>> maps some years ago. I'm sure it could be Googled.
>> (And, guess what, it didn't include Cyprus or the Canaries!).
>>
>> Surreyman
>
> OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
>
> now river & peak is the authority on this subject!
How would you define the borders of Switzerland then?
--
Tim C.
Jul 21st 2004, 1:34 am
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"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:09 +0100, Miss L. Toe wrote:
> >> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
> >> the EU.
> How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
> --
> Tim C.
They,and other countries outside EU using Euros, isn't allowed to be a
member of EMU.
That means they aren't allowed to issue banknotes and coins in Euro and have
no influence over the economy in the EMU area.
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:09 +0100, Miss L. Toe wrote:
> >> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
> >> the EU.
> How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
> --
> Tim C.
They,and other countries outside EU using Euros, isn't allowed to be a
member of EMU.
That means they aren't allowed to issue banknotes and coins in Euro and have
no influence over the economy in the EMU area.
Jul 21st 2004, 1:47 am
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:34:51 GMT, Lennart Petersen wrote:
> "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:09 +0100, Miss L. Toe wrote:
>>>> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>>>> the EU.
>> How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
>> --
>> Tim C.
> They,and other countries outside EU using Euros, isn't allowed to be a
> member of EMU.
> That means they aren't allowed to issue banknotes and coins in Euro and have
> no influence over the economy in the EMU area.
But the Euro is still the official currency of Montenegro. It's blatantly
obvious that a country *doesn't* have to be in either the EU or in the EMU
to use the Euro.
--
Tim C.
> "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:09 +0100, Miss L. Toe wrote:
>>>> The first problem is that the country needs to be a member of
>>>> the EU.
>> How do you explain Montenegro using the Euro then?
>> --
>> Tim C.
> They,and other countries outside EU using Euros, isn't allowed to be a
> member of EMU.
> That means they aren't allowed to issue banknotes and coins in Euro and have
> no influence over the economy in the EMU area.
But the Euro is still the official currency of Montenegro. It's blatantly
obvious that a country *doesn't* have to be in either the EU or in the EMU
to use the Euro.
--
Tim C.
Jul 21st 2004, 3:05 am
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> Following up to Jen
>
> >The Canary Islands are a part of Spain (a European country) in the
> >Atlantic Ocean. The Canary Islands have been using a European
> >currency, the Euro, since 2002. As another person here said, "The
> >islands Madeira, to the NW of the Canary Islands are European in flair
> >and style..." More than 10 million European tourists visit the Canary
> >Islands every year. The official language of the Canary Islands is
> >Spanish. The principle religion of the Canary Islands is Roman
> >Catholic. The Canary Islands use the metric system. I think this makes
> >the point.
>
> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
> look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
> Europe?
> Is Gibraltar part of The British Isles?
> Are the two Spanish colonies on mainland Africa in Europe?
What curency is used in Ceuta and Melilla ? They are not indicated on
the euro bank notes (neither dutch overseas possessions like Aruba,
Curaçao, etc...) at the difference of Madeira, Green cape and Canary
islands and even the farther 4 french overseas departments (but not
other possessions).
didier Meurgues
> >The Canary Islands are a part of the geographic area known as Europe.
>
> Isn't terms of physical geography The Canary Islands are part of
> Africa.
> In terms of political geography they are part of the *European*
> *Union*.
>
> Europe is a term of physical geography
> European Union is a term of political geography.
>
> EUROPE (Oxford D.)
> "......the most westerly point of the mainland is Cape
> Roca in Portugal; the northernmost point is the tip of
> Nordkynn in Norway, and the southernmost point is Tarifa
> Point in Spain......".
>
> Europe ends at Tarifa. Three hours by jet from the Canaries.
> There are many other colonial islands in the world with similar
> status to the Canaries:-
Ireland? :+)
> "http://europa.eu.int/abc/maps/regions/france/mer_en.htm"
> Following up to Jen
>
> >The Canary Islands are a part of Spain (a European country) in the
> >Atlantic Ocean. The Canary Islands have been using a European
> >currency, the Euro, since 2002. As another person here said, "The
> >islands Madeira, to the NW of the Canary Islands are European in flair
> >and style..." More than 10 million European tourists visit the Canary
> >Islands every year. The official language of the Canary Islands is
> >Spanish. The principle religion of the Canary Islands is Roman
> >Catholic. The Canary Islands use the metric system. I think this makes
> >the point.
>
> Many countries in S.America speak Spanish, and are catholic and
> look to Spain. If they adopted the euro would they be part of
> Europe?
> Is Gibraltar part of The British Isles?
> Are the two Spanish colonies on mainland Africa in Europe?
What curency is used in Ceuta and Melilla ? They are not indicated on
the euro bank notes (neither dutch overseas possessions like Aruba,
Curaçao, etc...) at the difference of Madeira, Green cape and Canary
islands and even the farther 4 french overseas departments (but not
other possessions).
didier Meurgues
> >The Canary Islands are a part of the geographic area known as Europe.
>
> Isn't terms of physical geography The Canary Islands are part of
> Africa.
> In terms of political geography they are part of the *European*
> *Union*.
>
> Europe is a term of physical geography
> European Union is a term of political geography.
>
> EUROPE (Oxford D.)
> "......the most westerly point of the mainland is Cape
> Roca in Portugal; the northernmost point is the tip of
> Nordkynn in Norway, and the southernmost point is Tarifa
> Point in Spain......".
>
> Europe ends at Tarifa. Three hours by jet from the Canaries.
> There are many other colonial islands in the world with similar
> status to the Canaries:-
Ireland? :+)
> "http://europa.eu.int/abc/maps/regions/france/mer_en.htm"
