Runge

er...Cyprus is a european country !!

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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    > "Jen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The European Union includes 25 countries, and Iraq is not one of them:
    > What's the point ? Agree that Iraq hardly is in Europe but the
European
    > Union isn't necessarily the same as Europe.
    > a number of European countries are still outside the union while the union
    > itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions in North
    > Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas departments) .

Lennart Petersen

"Runge" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > er...Cyprus is a european country !!
No, it's usually considered to be geographically in Asia not Europe.
Have a look at the map and you'll see why.
However the exact definitions of Europe and the borders are by tradition
only.
Very much in opposite to nations borders being typically very exact defined
in treaties, careful marked,supervised and if necessary protected with
military forces.

Meurgues

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "meurgues" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Peter File" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > or Africa?
    > > >
    > > > No its part of Eurafasia ;-)
    > > > http://www.countriesandcities.com/continents/
    > >
    > > The judges of the european court of human rights :
    > > http://www.echr.coe.int/BilingualDoc...EPRESEANCE.htm
    > > include judges of azerbajian, georgia, turquey, russia, because they
    > > are PARTLY in Europe (limited according to me to north Caucasus
    > > (elbruz) and ural river then mountains to the east and Iceland to the
    > > west).
    > > IMO Cyprus is in Asia not in Europe but considered european because of
    > > its greek population.
    > > Armenia too because of its christian population.
    > > Like Russia Kazakhstan is "partly" in Europe too (west of ural river).
    > >
    > > In the ECHR lacks only for the moment the monaco, liechtenstein,
    > > vatican, yougoslavia-montenegro, belarus and latvia judges.
    > >
    > > Irak is in Asia.
    > >
    > > The actual problem with the european union is must it include only the
    > > TOTALY european countries with the exception of Cyprus because it is
    > > an island or must it include those which are only partly in europe :
    > > turquey, azerbajian, georgia, russia, Kazakhstan and perhaps Armenia
    > > if the south caucasus is in fact taken in count, Turquey, Russia and
    > > Kazakhstan being the most problematic because of their incongruous
    > > eastern borders : Lebanon, Irak, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Mongolia,
    > > Corea, etc...
    > Obviously you need a good map !

Yes of course ! I didn't looked on a map. That's what I made a
confusion between Syria and Lebanon... (I remembered it only few
minutes late...) and forgot the split of USSR...!!!! and that Corea
was separated with Russia by a small chinese corridor !!!! But
nevertheless the eastern borders of russia and turquey are
"incongruous" for Europe.

Frank F. Matthews

And the weird borders of France don't bother you? France supposedly
goes to the americas.

meurgues wrote:

    > "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    >>"meurgues" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>>"Peter File" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:<[email protected]>...
    >>>>"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>>or Africa?
    >>>>No its part of Eurafasia ;-)
    >>>>http://www.countriesandcities.com/continents/
    >>>The judges of the european court of human rights :
    >>>http://www.echr.coe.int/BilingualDoc...EPRESEANCE.htm
    >>>include judges of azerbajian, georgia, turquey, russia, because they
    >>>are PARTLY in Europe (limited according to me to north Caucasus
    >>>(elbruz) and ural river then mountains to the east and Iceland to the
    >>>west).
    >>>IMO Cyprus is in Asia not in Europe but considered european because of
    >>>its greek population.
    >>>Armenia too because of its christian population.
    >>>Like Russia Kazakhstan is "partly" in Europe too (west of ural river).
    >>>In the ECHR lacks only for the moment the monaco, liechtenstein,
    >>>vatican, yougoslavia-montenegro, belarus and latvia judges.
    >>>Irak is in Asia.
    >>>The actual problem with the european union is must it include only the
    >>>TOTALY european countries with the exception of Cyprus because it is
    >>>an island or must it include those which are only partly in europe :
    >>>turquey, azerbajian, georgia, russia, Kazakhstan and perhaps Armenia
    >>>if the south caucasus is in fact taken in count, Turquey, Russia and
    >>>Kazakhstan being the most problematic because of their incongruous
    >>>eastern borders : Lebanon, Irak, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Mongolia,
    >>>Corea, etc...
    >>Obviously you need a good map !
    >
    >
    > Yes of course ! I didn't looked on a map. That's what I made a
    > confusion between Syria and Lebanon... (I remembered it only few
    > minutes late...) and forgot the split of USSR...!!!! and that Corea
    > was separated with Russia by a small chinese corridor !!!! But
    > nevertheless the eastern borders of russia and turquey are
    > "incongruous" for Europe.

Frank F. Matthews

Not by any civilized definition. It doesn't even have any portion that
is european like Turkey does.

Runge wrote:

    > er...Cyprus is a european country !!
    >
    > "Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>"Jen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>>The European Union includes 25 countries, and Iraq is not one of them:
    >>What's the point ? Agree that Iraq hardly is in Europe but the
    >> European Union isn't necessarily the same as Europe.
    >>a number of European countries are still outside the union while the union
    >>itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions in North
    >>Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas departments) .

Jan

Nige wrote:
    > or Africa?



As Iraq hasn't yet applied to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest, they
must still be in Asia ;-)

Jan

Peter Schneider

"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> :
    >> : As Iraq hasn't yet applied to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest, they
    >> : must still be in Asia ;-)
    >> :
    >> : Jan

by your judgement Israel must be in Europe since it takes part in the
Eurovision Song Contest ? ? ? ?

Regards
Peter

Jan

Peter Schneider wrote:
    > "Jan" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> As Iraq hasn't yet applied to take part in the Eurovision Song
    >>>> Contest, they must still be in Asia ;-)
    >>>> Jan
    > by your judgement Israel must be in Europe since it takes part in the
    > Eurovision Song Contest ? ? ? ?
    > Regards
    > Peter


Not my judgement !!!

I only watch it for Terry Wogans Comments- and to see the block voting !!!

Jan

Jen

Iraq is not in the geographic area known as Europe:
http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/lo...pe/europe.html

AND

Iraq is not in the European Union:
http://www.pickatrail.com/sun/e/euro...ean_union.html

FURTHERMORE

The European Union includes countries in the geographic area known as
Europe. You said, "the union itself is extended outside Europe", and I
disagree. However it is true that some European countries have not
joined the European Union. If you read the content at the above links
then you will see that Cyprus is a part of the geography known as
Europe. Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the
geography known as Europe. Indeed, this is why they use the Euro as
their currency:

http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/fe...ency/euro.html

    > a number of European countries are still outside the union while the union
    > itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions in North
    > Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas departments) .

Miguel Cruz

Jen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the geography known
    > as Europe. Indeed, this is why they use the Euro as their currency:

Do you have any idea where the Canary Islands actually are?

miguel
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Jan

Jen wrote:
    > Iraq is not in the geographic area known as Europe:
    > http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/lo...pe/europe.html
    > AND
    > Iraq is not in the European Union:
    > http://www.pickatrail.com/sun/e/euro...ean_union.html
    > FURTHERMORE
    > The European Union includes countries in the geographic area known as
    > Europe. You said, "the union itself is extended outside Europe", and I
    > disagree. However it is true that some European countries have not
    > joined the European Union. If you read the content at the above links
    > then you will see that Cyprus is a part of the geography known as
    > Europe. Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the
    > geography known as Europe. Indeed, this is why they use the Euro as
    > their currency:
    > http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/fe...ency/euro.html
    >> a number of European countries are still outside the union while the
    >> union itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions
    >> in North Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas
    >> departments) .


If you've ever watched the Eurovision song contest, with UK commentary,..
you would of course realise that my replies were not meant to be taken in
the least bit seriously :-)

Jan

Lennart Petersen

"Jen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > Iraq is not in the geographic area known as Europe:
    > http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/lo...pe/europe.html
    > AND
    > Iraq is not in the European Union:
    > http://www.pickatrail.com/sun/e/euro...ean_union.html
    > FURTHERMORE
    > The European Union includes countries in the geographic area known as
    > Europe. You said, "the union itself is extended outside Europe", and I
    > disagree. However it is true that some European countries have not
    > joined the European Union. If you read the content at the above links
    > then you will see that Cyprus is a part of the geography known as
    > Europe.
No, you've confused a lot. Reading the above link you'll see that Cyprus
is a member of the European Union. That's not exactly the same as being in
Europe.
Cyprus is usually considered as being in Asia.

Also, Spain and the Canary Islands, etc. are a part of the
    > geography known as Europe. Indeed, this is why they use the Euro as
    > their currency:

Ceuta,Melilla,Chanary Islands are in Africa. That's obvious just looking at
a map.
They're are also part of Spain. They're also using Euro because A: they're
part of Spain B: Spain is a member of the EMU.
You'll also find French overseas departments in North,South
America,Carribean and Africa using Euro but not being in Europe.

    > http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/fe...ency/euro.html
    > > a number of European countries are still outside the union while the
union
    > > itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions in North
    > > Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas departments) .

Jen

    > No, you've confused a lot. Reading the above link you'll see that Cyprus
    > is a member of the European Union. That's not exactly the same as being in
    > Europe.
    > Cyprus is usually considered as being in Asia.

No, Cyprus is in the geographic area known as Europe. Yes, the Canary
Islands are near Africa, but they are also near Spain, and in the
Atlantic Ocean. Of course, the British often say they are not a part
of Europe. We can argue all day about whether or not a particular
island in the Atlantic Ocean is a part of the geographic area known as
Europe.

    > They're are also part of Spain. They're also using Euro because A: they're
    > part of Spain B: Spain is a member of the EMU.
    > You'll also find French overseas departments in North,South
    > America,Carribean and Africa using Euro but not being in Europe.

The dollar is used in many places outside of the North American
continent, and the Euro is used in many places outside of the European
continent. You say, "You'll also find French overseas departments in
North,South America,Carribean and Africa using Euro..." and that may
be true for example in Guadeloupe, French Guyana, Martinique and
Réunion.

    >
    > >
    > > http://www.pickatrail.com/jupiter/fe...ency/euro.html
    > >
    > > > a number of European countries are still outside the union while the
    > union
    > > > itself is extended outside Europe (Cyprus,Spanish possessions in North
    > > > Africa,Canary Islands and a number of French overseas departments) .

Jim Ley

On 18 Jul 2004 14:45:35 -0700, [email protected] (Jen) wrote:

    >> No, you've confused a lot. Reading the above link you'll see that Cyprus
    >> is a member of the European Union. That's not exactly the same as being in
    >> Europe.
    >> Cyprus is usually considered as being in Asia.
    >No, Cyprus is in the geographic area known as Europe. Yes, the Canary
    >Islands are near Africa, but they are also near Spain,

Near spain in what sense? They're even nearer Western Sahara than
Morroco aren't they?

Jim.

Miguel Cruz

Jen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > No, Cyprus is in the geographic area known as Europe. Yes, the Canary
    > Islands are near Africa, but they are also near Spain, and in the
    > Atlantic Ocean. Of course, the British often say they are not a part
    > of Europe. We can argue all day about whether or not a particular
    > island in the Atlantic Ocean is a part of the geographic area known as
    > Europe.

But in the case of the Canary Islands, it would be like arguing all day over
whether the earth was flat.

The Canary Islands are 70 miles directly west of the southern tip of Morocco
(where Western Sahara begins). They are 700 miles south of Spain. The entire
country of Tunisia is closer to Europe than the Canary Islands. Is that in
Europe too?

miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu