nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:17:42 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:21:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:51:04 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:26:10 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>>> In many cases, managers can be on leave for
    >>>> months--or even years--without their absence being noticed.
    >>>... even by their secretary.
    >>
    >> except when he takes the secretary on holiday with him :-)
    >>
    >> It is more an more frequent that the absence of the secretary goes
    >> unnoticed too.
    >Like our office.

and anywhere else where people do there own word processing, business
travel arrangements etc. - most places nowadays.

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:23:35 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >[email protected] writes:
    >> but arguable, in a wrongful dismissal case, if the performance
    >> requirements are not realistic.
    >Wrongful dismissal cases take years to move through the courts, and cost
    >thousands of euro. This makes them virtually useless to a fired
    >employee unless he is independently wealthy.

My ex-employer suspends staff on full salary in case of a dispute.

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:05 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

    > The court looks at them only after the fact,
... that doesn't make it legal. There very few offences here that can lead
to sacking without notice.

    > ... and only if the fired
    > employee can afford to spend thousands of euro and wait two or three
    > years for its decision.

How much it might cost depends on the country and whether any laws and
unions are there to protect employees from just that sort of thing.

--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:23:35 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

    > [email protected] writes:
    >
    >> but arguable, in a wrongful dismissal case, if the performance
    >> requirements are not realistic.
    >
    > Wrongful dismissal cases take years to move through the courts, and cost
    > thousands of euro. This makes them virtually useless to a fired
    > employee unless he is independently wealthy.
    >
    >> [Turin Test Failed :-) ]
    >
    > What sort of test is the Turin Test, and why did you fail it?

It's the test where, facing a losing argument you start to babble in a
foreign language like Magda.
--
Tim C.

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:23:35 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >[email protected] writes:
    >> but arguable, in a wrongful dismissal case, if the performance
    >> requirements are not realistic.
    >Wrongful dismissal cases take years to move through the courts, and cost
    >thousands of euro. This makes them virtually useless to a fired
    >employee unless he is independently wealthy.
    >> [Turin Test Failed :-) ]
    >What sort of test is the Turin Test, and why did you fail it?

a) typo for Turing
b) You failed it
c) http://www.turing.org.uk/turing/scrapbook/test.html

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:36:14 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:17:42 +0200, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:21:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:51:04 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:26:10 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>>>> In many cases, managers can be on leave for
    >>>>> months--or even years--without their absence being noticed.
    >>>>... even by their secretary.
    >>>
    >>> except when he takes the secretary on holiday with him :-)
    >>>
    >>> It is more an more frequent that the absence of the secretary goes
    >>> unnoticed too.
    >>Like our office.
    >
    > and anywhere else where people do there own word processing, business
    > travel arrangements etc. - most places nowadays.

Exactly, all our secretary is good for is to stop us from seeing the boss
when we have a problem by arranging conveniently timed phone calls etc...

--
Tim C.

Miguel Cruz

<[email protected]> wrote:
    > Tim Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>> Tim Challenger writes:
    >>>
    >>>> What? not working as hard as the boss wants?
    >>>
    >>> No; not working the hours required by your employment contract.
    >> You said "It's easier to compel employees to work harder
    >> during their official hours, and that's exactly what happens."
    >> and then you said:
    >> "That's one of the few things you can fire people for."
    > I blame object oriented programming for these inconsistencies.
    > or is the server running the BETA 1.0 version again?
    > Miguel?

There are some teenage pranksters with too much time on their hands who
like to hack in and mess with the programming.

I've already phoned the school and had a stern talk with the headmaster but
I suppose that hasn't worked. I'm open to ideas.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Miguel Cruz

Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] writes:
    >> [Turin Test Failed :-) ]
    > What sort of test is the Turin Test, and why did you fail it?

As you can see the spellcheck module is still in fine working order.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Tim Challenger

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:30:54 GMT, mistissini wrote:

    > Most workplaces that I've worked in, and I'm aware of, require the use of
    > identity badges; many of them include smart cards.

I only had to wear a badge in one place (and then I had to sign the german
official secrets act too). Likewise a smart card only once (in another
company), except ones that get me into a works car-park. Most places I've
worked would look at you dumbly if you suggested such a thing.
--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:46:47 GMT, Miguel Cruz wrote:

    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [email protected] writes:
    >>> [Turin Test Failed :-) ]
    >> What sort of test is the Turin Test, and why did you fail it?
    >
    > As you can see the spellcheck module is still in fine working order.
    >
    > miguel

LOL! Coffee-nose-keyboard interface situation!
--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:23:39 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    > On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:40:51 +0200, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:05 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>> The court looks at them only after the fact,
    >>... that doesn't make it legal. There very few offences here that can lead
    >>to sacking without notice.
    >
    > Here = Austria?
Yes.

    > My son who was paid to work 9-5 in UK was formally threatened with the
    > sack for working 9-5.30 when everybody else worked 9-6, without
    > overtime payments.

The UK still lives under the feudal system.

--
Tim C.

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:40:51 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:22:05 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >> The court looks at them only after the fact,
    >... that doesn't make it legal. There very few offences here that can lead
    >to sacking without notice.

Here = Austria?

My son who was paid to work 9-5 in UK was formally threatened with the
sack for working 9-5.30 when everybody else worked 9-6, without
overtime payments.

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:42:40 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:23:35 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >> [email protected] writes:
    >>
    >>> but arguable, in a wrongful dismissal case, if the performance
    >>> requirements are not realistic.
    >>
    >> Wrongful dismissal cases take years to move through the courts, and cost
    >> thousands of euro. This makes them virtually useless to a fired
    >> employee unless he is independently wealthy.
    >>
    >>> [Turin Test Failed :-) ]
    >>
    >> What sort of test is the Turin Test, and why did you fail it?
    >It's the test where, facing a losing argument you start to babble in a
    >foreign language like Magda.

I think we lost some credibility by misspelling Alan Turing's name.
Some thought we had a test for the genuineness or otherwise of the
Turin Shroud :-(

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:44:15 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:36:14 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:17:42 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:21:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:51:04 +0200, Tim Challenger
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:26:10 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
    >>>>>> In many cases, managers can be on leave for
    >>>>>> months--or even years--without their absence being noticed.
    >>>>>... even by their secretary.
    >>>>
    >>>> except when he takes the secretary on holiday with him :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> It is more an more frequent that the absence of the secretary goes
    >>>> unnoticed too.
    >>>Like our office.
    >>
    >> and anywhere else where people do there own word processing, business
    >> travel arrangements etc. - most places nowadays.
    >Exactly, all our secretary is good for is to stop us from seeing the boss
    >when we have a problem by arranging conveniently timed phone calls etc...

and spreading malicious gossip?

nitram

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:52:09 +0200, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:30:54 GMT, mistissini wrote:
    >> Most workplaces that I've worked in, and I'm aware of, require the use of
    >> identity badges; many of them include smart cards.
    >I only had to wear a badge in one place (and then I had to sign the german
    >official secrets act too). Likewise a smart card only once (in another
    >company), except ones that get me into a works car-park. Most places I've
    >worked would look at you dumbly if you suggested such a thing.

Everywhere I worked in the last 20 years has insisted on ID cards.
I've lost more ID cards than I have had ...
Some cards contained info on whether you were allowed to park on site.

We used to drive into a large Italian company's site by pretending to
swipe the card through the reader, by default the barrier was up and
stayed up.