Is Holland actually a police state?
Sep 11th 2005, 11:50 pm
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>
> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
> >> easiest to perpetrate
> >
> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
> > perpetrate?
> >
>
> The UK? No.
Whoosh!
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> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>
> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > []
> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
> >> easiest to perpetrate
> >
> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
> > perpetrate?
> >
>
> The UK? No.
Whoosh!
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Sep 11th 2005, 11:51 pm
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:25:19 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>> On 12 Sep 2005 03:47:50 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>Mini One a écrit :
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>>> >
>>>> > Mini One a écrit :
>>>> >
>>>> >> [email protected] wrote in news:1126470940.155701.169200
>>>> >> @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Mini One wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I still don't see the problem of identifying your parents. IMO
>>>> >> >> you haven't established a reasonable description of a "police
>>>> >> >> state".
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Maybe I can't, and that inability causes me distress? The
>>>> >> > reasons for that may be personal - they aren't anyone else's
>>>> >> > business but mine. Why can't you understand that?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Because I think it's cultural, nothing more. I have six names.
>>>> >> Four of which are "last" names. They trace my family history.
>>>> >> They include my father's last name, my mother's maiden name, and
>>>> >> the names of my grandparents. One first name is my father's
>>>> >> grandmother's first name. So, my parents & grandparents aren't a
>>>> >> secret to anyone who see's my passport.
>>>> >
>>>> > How would you feel if one of those names was strange to you, the
>>>> > name of a person you'd never met, and who entered briefly, and
>>>> > unfortunately, into your family's history?
>>>> Several of those names are strange to me. I've never met my father's
>>>> side of the family. Although I did know my father briefly. He died
>>>> when I was five. He's still registered as my father, I still carry
>>>> his names. That can't be changed.
>>>That's not at all the situation I was describing.
>>>> Quite frankly I'm a bit tired of everyone moving to different
>>>> countries with different cultures and expecting them to change the
>>>> rules for the new comers.
>>>I'm not expecting them to change the rules. I'm simply pointing out
>>>that the rules as they stand, and presumably as they will continue to
>>>stand, are unreasonable, intrusive, burdensome, unnecessary, and, as
>>>Martin described, open to the most appalling abuse.
>>
>> Did I mention they sell info from the registers. Somebody takes the
>> register, sorts it by street number and street name and publishes a
>> booklet where you can find the name address and telephone number of
>> everybody in your and/or any other street in the town. It's not
>> unknown for thieves to use this info to check, who is at home prior to
>> robbing several places in the same street
>This has nothing to do with your parents information.
It has everything to do with who is allowed to access population
register information.
>You are not allowed to "opt out" of this bookelet?
No. I naively assumed that information in the population register was
confidential. I understand that the information is also available on
CD.
--
Martin
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>> On 12 Sep 2005 03:47:50 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>Mini One a écrit :
>>>> [email protected] wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>>> >
>>>> > Mini One a écrit :
>>>> >
>>>> >> [email protected] wrote in news:1126470940.155701.169200
>>>> >> @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Mini One wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I still don't see the problem of identifying your parents. IMO
>>>> >> >> you haven't established a reasonable description of a "police
>>>> >> >> state".
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Maybe I can't, and that inability causes me distress? The
>>>> >> > reasons for that may be personal - they aren't anyone else's
>>>> >> > business but mine. Why can't you understand that?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Because I think it's cultural, nothing more. I have six names.
>>>> >> Four of which are "last" names. They trace my family history.
>>>> >> They include my father's last name, my mother's maiden name, and
>>>> >> the names of my grandparents. One first name is my father's
>>>> >> grandmother's first name. So, my parents & grandparents aren't a
>>>> >> secret to anyone who see's my passport.
>>>> >
>>>> > How would you feel if one of those names was strange to you, the
>>>> > name of a person you'd never met, and who entered briefly, and
>>>> > unfortunately, into your family's history?
>>>> Several of those names are strange to me. I've never met my father's
>>>> side of the family. Although I did know my father briefly. He died
>>>> when I was five. He's still registered as my father, I still carry
>>>> his names. That can't be changed.
>>>That's not at all the situation I was describing.
>>>> Quite frankly I'm a bit tired of everyone moving to different
>>>> countries with different cultures and expecting them to change the
>>>> rules for the new comers.
>>>I'm not expecting them to change the rules. I'm simply pointing out
>>>that the rules as they stand, and presumably as they will continue to
>>>stand, are unreasonable, intrusive, burdensome, unnecessary, and, as
>>>Martin described, open to the most appalling abuse.
>>
>> Did I mention they sell info from the registers. Somebody takes the
>> register, sorts it by street number and street name and publishes a
>> booklet where you can find the name address and telephone number of
>> everybody in your and/or any other street in the town. It's not
>> unknown for thieves to use this info to check, who is at home prior to
>> robbing several places in the same street
>This has nothing to do with your parents information.
It has everything to do with who is allowed to access population
register information.
>You are not allowed to "opt out" of this bookelet?
No. I naively assumed that information in the population register was
confidential. I understand that the information is also available on
CD.
--
Martin
Sep 11th 2005, 11:57 pm
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:28:56 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>> On 12 Sep 2005 12:54:12 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:jmlai1556kos6fbr0kak90qvf03a0645ok@ 4ax.com:
>>>> Wrong about "others" the European Court does.
>>>It does? I'd be interested to see a reference.
>>
>> Google.
>Tried that before I asked. Didn't find it.
That's no excuse :-)
>>> I've provide this
>>>information to authorities many times. And apparently the Dutch
>>>require it as well.
>>>http://www.netherlands-embassy.org.u...20the%20NL.htm
>>
>> As I have pointed out several times what is required on paper is
>> different in reality. I suspect that the site you quote is out of
>> date.
>I think it is up to date as it seems the new proceedure is resident
>cards not required (no need to provide BC) but registration with local
>population office is required (required to provide long form BC).
I have difficulty believing the local authority uses all this info.
The records are all computerised and stored electronically. The
entries in our records in the local authority database must be mostly
NULL. I would have thought that asking for an extract from the
population register would show omissions. We have asked & received
extracts from the population registry in the last two months with no
problems or errors reported.
>>>> On paper Jeremy is being asked for far more information than we were
>>>> ever asked for when we registered in NL. Somebody appears to be
>>>> trying to change the rules now.
>>>Like I said, he should take that up with the authorities and then see
>>>if he can do what he needs to do without supplying this information.
>>
>> No. The thing to do is to turn up at the local town hall with his
>> passport and register.
>>
>>>Either way, he can not convince me this is an problem of civil rights.
>>
>> Yeah, but you have been brainwashed since birth :-)
>So have you & him!
>>>Names of parents are not considered "sensitive data". And to call the
>>>Netherlands a police state becuase of it is trivializing the police
>>>state.
>>
>> You have your view point we have ours.
>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
--
Martin
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected] :
>> On 12 Sep 2005 12:54:12 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:jmlai1556kos6fbr0kak90qvf03a0645ok@ 4ax.com:
>>>> Wrong about "others" the European Court does.
>>>It does? I'd be interested to see a reference.
>>
>> Google.
>Tried that before I asked. Didn't find it.
That's no excuse :-)
>>> I've provide this
>>>information to authorities many times. And apparently the Dutch
>>>require it as well.
>>>http://www.netherlands-embassy.org.u...20the%20NL.htm
>>
>> As I have pointed out several times what is required on paper is
>> different in reality. I suspect that the site you quote is out of
>> date.
>I think it is up to date as it seems the new proceedure is resident
>cards not required (no need to provide BC) but registration with local
>population office is required (required to provide long form BC).
I have difficulty believing the local authority uses all this info.
The records are all computerised and stored electronically. The
entries in our records in the local authority database must be mostly
NULL. I would have thought that asking for an extract from the
population register would show omissions. We have asked & received
extracts from the population registry in the last two months with no
problems or errors reported.
>>>> On paper Jeremy is being asked for far more information than we were
>>>> ever asked for when we registered in NL. Somebody appears to be
>>>> trying to change the rules now.
>>>Like I said, he should take that up with the authorities and then see
>>>if he can do what he needs to do without supplying this information.
>>
>> No. The thing to do is to turn up at the local town hall with his
>> passport and register.
>>
>>>Either way, he can not convince me this is an problem of civil rights.
>>
>> Yeah, but you have been brainwashed since birth :-)
>So have you & him!
>>>Names of parents are not considered "sensitive data". And to call the
>>>Netherlands a police state becuase of it is trivializing the police
>>>state.
>>
>> You have your view point we have ours.
>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
--
Martin
Sep 11th 2005, 11:59 pm
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote in news:ruqai15i05gogluocbd2psgu7un9lcol61@
4ax.com:
> On 12 Sep 2005 13:28:56 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>>
>>> You have your view point we have ours.
>>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
>
> Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
Should I let my mother drive my car?
4ax.com:
> On 12 Sep 2005 13:28:56 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>>
>>> You have your view point we have ours.
>>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
>
> Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
Should I let my mother drive my car?
Sep 12th 2005, 12:00 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:31:41 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>
>> Mini One a écrit :
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote in news:1126522939.979208.284580
>>> @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>> > Mini One a écrit :
>>> >
>>> >> Names of parents are not considered "sensitive data".
>>> >
>>> > Considered by whom?
>>> The EU.
>>
>> Fine for them, but I consider my data sensitive to me. The EU is not,
>> as far as I am aware, the ultilmate arbiter on all questions moral and
>> personal.
>No. But Martin implied that it was not legal to ask the questions of who
>one's parents were.
It may not be. Four years ago I was asked to register on a special
aliens list. I and others didn't and nothing happened because
requiring and keeping such a list had no legal backing.
--
Martin
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected] oups.com:
>>
>> Mini One a écrit :
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote in news:1126522939.979208.284580
>>> @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>> > Mini One a écrit :
>>> >
>>> >> Names of parents are not considered "sensitive data".
>>> >
>>> > Considered by whom?
>>> The EU.
>>
>> Fine for them, but I consider my data sensitive to me. The EU is not,
>> as far as I am aware, the ultilmate arbiter on all questions moral and
>> personal.
>No. But Martin implied that it was not legal to ask the questions of who
>one's parents were.
It may not be. Four years ago I was asked to register on a special
aliens list. I and others didn't and nothing happened because
requiring and keeping such a list had no legal backing.
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:01 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>
>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > []
>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
>> >> the easiest to perpetrate
>> >
>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
>> > to perpetrate?
>> >
>>
>> The UK? No.
>
> Whoosh!
>
?
Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>
>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > []
>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
>> >> the easiest to perpetrate
>> >
>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
>> > to perpetrate?
>> >
>>
>> The UK? No.
>
> Whoosh!
>
?
Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
Sep 12th 2005, 12:08 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:25:23 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:1126522070.856825.35910
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> Mini One a écrit :
>>
>>> Quite frankly I'm a bit tired of everyone moving to different countries
>>> with different cultures and expecting them to change the rules for the
>>> new comers.
>>
>> I'm not expecting them to change the rules. I'm simply pointing out
>> that the rules as they stand, and presumably as they will continue to
>> stand, are unreasonable, intrusive, burdensome, unnecessary, and, as
>> Martin described, open to the most appalling abuse.
>Yes. To YOU (outsider) they are unreasonable, etc.
>I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>easiest to perpetrate and it's citizens are the ones who are complaining
>about potential identiy fraud.
They complain about far more information being required than is
necessary to identify a person uniquely, which is not quite the same
thing.
The Netherlands is the country where the biggest bank has accepted
Euro400,000 in forged notes during the last 12 months.
"ABN accepted phony notes for a year
Dutch bank ABN AMRO accepted false bank notes for at least a year. The
notes were lodged by an international criminal gang and the fraud cost
the bank about EUR 400,000, a spokesperson for the public prosecutor's
office in the Hague said on Friday."
The notes were fed into a night deposit box, the bank's software
flagged them as forged, but did not prevent the accounts being
credited.
--
Martin
>[email protected] wrote in news:1126522070.856825.35910
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> Mini One a écrit :
>>
>>> Quite frankly I'm a bit tired of everyone moving to different countries
>>> with different cultures and expecting them to change the rules for the
>>> new comers.
>>
>> I'm not expecting them to change the rules. I'm simply pointing out
>> that the rules as they stand, and presumably as they will continue to
>> stand, are unreasonable, intrusive, burdensome, unnecessary, and, as
>> Martin described, open to the most appalling abuse.
>Yes. To YOU (outsider) they are unreasonable, etc.
>I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>easiest to perpetrate and it's citizens are the ones who are complaining
>about potential identiy fraud.
They complain about far more information being required than is
necessary to identify a person uniquely, which is not quite the same
thing.
The Netherlands is the country where the biggest bank has accepted
Euro400,000 in forged notes during the last 12 months.
"ABN accepted phony notes for a year
Dutch bank ABN AMRO accepted false bank notes for at least a year. The
notes were lodged by an international criminal gang and the fraud cost
the bank about EUR 400,000, a spokesperson for the public prosecutor's
office in the Hague said on Friday."
The notes were fed into a night deposit box, the bank's software
flagged them as forged, but did not prevent the accounts being
credited.
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:10 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:33:32 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>> easiest to perpetrate
>Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>perpetrate?
Back to he EU fraud with the virtual orange and olive groves
producing virtual oranges and virtual olive oil that was shipped from
a virtual port to virtual destinations with real paper work and paid
for with real EU grants?
--
Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>> easiest to perpetrate
>Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>perpetrate?
Back to he EU fraud with the virtual orange and olive groves
producing virtual oranges and virtual olive oil that was shipped from
a virtual port to virtual destinations with real paper work and paid
for with real EU grants?
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:11 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:42:54 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]:
>> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>>> easiest to perpetrate
>>
>> Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>> perpetrate?
>>
>The UK? No.
Italy perhaps?
I once worked on a contract in Rome with a virtual project management
team.
--
Martin
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]:
>> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>>> easiest to perpetrate
>>
>> Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>> perpetrate?
>>
>The UK? No.
Italy perhaps?
I once worked on a contract in Rome with a virtual project management
team.
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:21 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>
> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> >> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> >> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > []
> >> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
> >> >> the easiest to perpetrate
> >> >
> >> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
> >> > to perpetrate?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The UK? No.
> >
> > Whoosh!
> >
>
>
> ?
>
> Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
> The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
> that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
Or, maybe you should watch them more judiciously. Identity fraud is one
of the, if not _the_, fastest growing crimes in the world. There's also
a counter view that increased ID checks don't necessarily prevent some
of them. Or, put another way, if, say, there is a higher rate of
burglaries in the UK than in Switzerland (which there may well be) does
that mean that UK houses are de factor less secure?
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
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> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>
> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
> >> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> >> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > []
> >> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
> >> >> the easiest to perpetrate
> >> >
> >> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
> >> > to perpetrate?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The UK? No.
> >
> > Whoosh!
> >
>
>
> ?
>
> Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
> The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
> that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
Or, maybe you should watch them more judiciously. Identity fraud is one
of the, if not _the_, fastest growing crimes in the world. There's also
a counter view that increased ID checks don't necessarily prevent some
of them. Or, put another way, if, say, there is a higher rate of
burglaries in the UK than in Switzerland (which there may well be) does
that mean that UK houses are de factor less secure?
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 12th 2005, 12:23 am
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> It may not be. Four years ago I was asked to register on a special
> aliens list.
Aw, that's nice. They thought you were special! :)
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
[]
> It may not be. Four years ago I was asked to register on a special
> aliens list.
Aw, that's nice. They thought you were special! :)
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 12th 2005, 12:24 am
#102
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:50:11 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>
>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > []
>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>> >> easiest to perpetrate
>> >
>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>> > perpetrate?
>> >
>>
>> The UK? No.
>Whoosh!
Porcini volare?
--
Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>
>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > []
>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
>> >> easiest to perpetrate
>> >
>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
>> > perpetrate?
>> >
>>
>> The UK? No.
>Whoosh!
Porcini volare?
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:25 am
#103
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 13:59:31 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in news:ruqai15i05gogluocbd2psgu7un9lcol61@
>4ax.com:
>> On 12 Sep 2005 13:28:56 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected] :
>>>>
>>>> You have your view point we have ours.
>>>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
>>
>> Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
>Should I let my mother drive my car?
That's an easy one. No. She has been dead for 15 years.
--
Martin
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in news:ruqai15i05gogluocbd2psgu7un9lcol61@
>4ax.com:
>> On 12 Sep 2005 13:28:56 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected] :
>>>>
>>>> You have your view point we have ours.
>>>Yes, but.... Oh, never mind!
>>
>> Let's talk about over powered small cars and women drivers instead :-)
>Should I let my mother drive my car?
That's an easy one. No. She has been dead for 15 years.
--
Martin
Sep 12th 2005, 12:25 am
#104
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Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:50:11 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> >> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> >> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > []
> >> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
> >> >> easiest to perpetrate
> >> >
> >> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
> >> > perpetrate?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The UK? No.
> >
> >Whoosh!
>
> Porcini volare?
Magic mushrooms? :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:50:11 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
> >> th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
> >> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > []
> >> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is the
> >> >> easiest to perpetrate
> >> >
> >> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest to
> >> > perpetrate?
> >> >
> >>
> >> The UK? No.
> >
> >Whoosh!
>
> Porcini volare?
Magic mushrooms? :)
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Sep 12th 2005, 12:25 am
#105
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Posts: n/a
Re: Is Holland actually a police state?
On 12 Sep 2005 14:01:06 +0200, Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]:
>> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>>> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>>
>>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > []
>>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
>>> >> the easiest to perpetrate
>>> >
>>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
>>> > to perpetrate?
>>> >
>>>
>>> The UK? No.
>>
>> Whoosh!
>>
>?
>Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
>The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
>that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
Well you learnt something useful today :-)
--
Martin
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>news:1h2s0z2.1newxsr1mtuxeuN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]:
>> Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses
>>> o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote in
>>> news:1h2s03v.1f2inhv1fmjoowN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
>>>
>>> > Mini One <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > []
>>> >> I find it funny that the UK is the country where identity fraud is
>>> >> the easiest to perpetrate
>>> >
>>> > Are you from the country where spurious statistics are the easiest
>>> > to perpetrate?
>>> >
>>>
>>> The UK? No.
>>
>> Whoosh!
>>
>?
>Yes, clearly I have no idea what you are talking about.
>The information about identity theft in the UK comes from the BBC channels
>that I get. It if is not true, well, then I won't watch them again.
Well you learnt something useful today :-)
--
Martin
