The History of Vibrators and the Elusive Female Orgasm
Mar 12th 2004 | 9:53 am
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Re: The History of Vibrators and the Elusive Female Orgasm
Carla R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
A decent woman does not post such things. My mother always said women who
are too preoccupied with sex are ill.
>"Leila DuBois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In the History of Gynecology, a Surprising Chapter
>> By NATALIE ANGIER
>> Electricity has given so much comfort to womankind, such
>> surcease to her life of drudgery. It gave her the vacuum cleaner, the
>> pop-up toaster and the automatic ice dispenser.
>> And perhaps above all, it gave her the vibrator. In the annals
>> of Victorian medicine, a time of "Goetze's device for producing
>> dimples" and "Merrell's strengthening cordial, liver invigorator and
>> purifier of the blood," the debut of the electromechanical vibrator in
>> the early 1880s was one medical event that truly worked wonders --
>> safely, reliably, repeatedly.
>> As historian Rachel Maines describes in her exhaustively
>> researched if decidedly offbeat work, "The Technology of Orgasm:
>> 'Hysteria,' the Vibrator, and Women's Sexual Satisfaction" (Johns
>> Hopkins Press, 1999), the vibrator was developed to perfect and
>> automate a function that doctors had long performed for their female
>> patients: the relief of physical, emotional and sexual tension through
>> external pelvic massage, culminating in orgasm.
>> For doctors, the routine had usually been tedious, with about as
>> much erotic content as a Kenneth Starr document. "Most of them did it
>> because they felt it was their duty," Dr. Maines said in an interview.
>> "It wasn't sexual at all."
>> The vibrator, she argues, made that job easy, quick and clean.
>> With a vibrator in the office, a doctor could complete in seconds or
>> minutes what had taken up to an hour through manual means. With a
>> vibrator, a female patient suffering from any number of symptoms
>> labeled "hysterical" or "neurasthenic" could be given relief -- or at
>> least be pleased enough to guarantee her habitual patronage.
>> "I'm sure the women felt much better afterwards, slept better,
>> smiled more," said Dr. Maines. Besides, she added, hysteria, as it was
>> traditionally defined, was an incurable, chronic disease. "The patient
>> had to go to the doctor regularly," Dr. Maines said. "She didn't die.
>> She was a cash cow."
>> Nowadays, it is hard to fathom doctors giving their patients
>> what Dr. Maines calls regular "vulvular" massage, either manually or
>> electromechanically. But the 1899 edition of the Merck Manual, a
>> reference guide for physicians, lists massage as a treatment for
>> hysteria (as well as sulfuric acid for nymphomania). And in a 1903
>> commentary on treatments for hysterical patients, Dr. Samuel Howard
>> Monell wrote that "pelvic massage (in gynecology) has its brilliant
>> advocates and they report wonderful results."
>> But he noted that many doctors had difficulty treating patients
>> "with their own fingers," and hailed the vibrator as a godsend:
>> "Special applicators (motor driven) give practical value and office
>> convenience to what otherwise is impractical."
>> Small wonder that by the turn of the 20th century, about 20
>> years after Dr. Joseph Mortimer Granville patented the first
>> electromechanical vibrator, there were at least two dozen models
>> available to the medical profession. There were musical vibrators,
>> counterweighted vibrators, vibratory forks, undulating wire coils
>> called vibratiles, vibrators that hung from the ceiling, vibrators
>> attached to tables, floor models on rollers and portable devices that
>> fit in the palm of the hand.
>> They were powered by electric current, battery, foot pedal,
>> water turbine, gas engine or air pressure, and they shimmied at speeds
>> ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 pulses per minute. They were priced to
>> move, ranging from a low of $15 to what Dr. Maines calls the "Cadillac
>> of vibrators," the Chattanooga, which cost $200 plus freight charges
>> in 1904 and which, in its aggressive multi-cantilevered design, is
>> more evocative of the Tower of London than the Pink Pussycat boutique.
>> Doctors used vibrators for many non-orgasmic purposes, including
>> to treat constipation, arthritis, muscle fatigue, inflammation
>> laryngitis and tumors; and men as well as women were the recipients of
>> vibratory physic. But that a big selling point for the devices was
>> their particular usefulness in treating "female ailments" can be
>> gleaned from catalog copy and medical textbooks at the time.
>> A text from 1883 called "Health For Women" recommended the new
>> vibrators for treating "pelvic hyperemia," or congestion of the
>> genitalia. Vibrators were also marketed directly to women, as home
>> appliances. In fact, the vibrator was only the fifth household device
>> to be electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and
>> toaster, and preceding by about a decade the vacuum cleaner and
>> electric iron -- perhaps, Dr. Maines suggests, "reflecting consumer
>> priorities." Advertised in such respectable periodicals as
>> Needlecraft, Woman's Home Companion, Modern Priscilla and the Sears,
>> Roebuck catalog, vibrators were pitched as "aids that every woman
>> appreciates," with the delicious promise that "all the pleasures of
>> youth ... will throb within you."
>> Significantly, the vibrators and their accoutrements almost
>> never took the form of the dildo, for the simple reason that vibrators
>> were meant to be used externally. As a result, medically indicated
>> massage therapy could be pitched as upstanding and asexual -- and less
>> risque than the gynecologist's speculum, which came under heavy
>> ethical fire when it was first introduced in the late 19th century.
>> Dr. Maines, head of Maines and Associates, a firm that offers
>> cataloging and research services to museums and archives, first
>> stumbled on her piquant subject while researching a paper on the
>> history of needlework. Thumbing through a 1906 needlepoint magazine,
>> she found, to her astonishment, an advertisement for a vibrator. When
>> she realized there was no scholarly history of the vibrator and
>> related "technologies of orgasm," she decided to research the topic,
>> consulting libraries around this country and abroad.
>> Her investigations led her to conclude that doctors became the
>> keepers of the female orgasm for several related reasons. To begin
>> with, women have been presumed since Hippocrates' day, if not earlier,
>> to suffer from some sort of "womb furie" -- the word "hysteria," after
>> all, derives from uterus. The result was thought to be a spectacular
>> assortment of symptoms, including lassitude, irritability, depression,
>> confusion, palpitations of the heart, headaches, forgetfulness,
>> insomnia, muscle spasms, stomach upsets, writing cramps, ticklishness
>> and weepiness. Who better to treat the wayward female than a
>> physician, and where better to address his ministrations than toward
>> the general area of her rebellious female parts?
>> Dr. Maines also proposes that women historically have suffered
>> from a lack of sexual satisfaction -- that they needed somebody's help
>> to have the orgasms they were not having in the bedroom. By the tenets
>> of what she calls the "androcentric" model of sex, women were supposed
>> to be satisfied by the motions of heterosexual intercourse -- the
>> missionary position and its close proxies.
>> Yet as many studies have shown, at least two-thirds of women
>> fail to reach orgasm through coitus alone, Dr. Maines said. As a
>> result, she said, many women historically may have spent their lives
>> in an orgasm deficit, without necessarily identifying it as such. At
>> the same time, religious edicts against masturbation discouraged women
>> from self-exploration. "In effect," she writes, "doctors inherited the
>> task of producing orgasm in women because it was a job nobody else
>> wanted."
>> The vibrator was not the first therapeutic approach to treating
>> feminine "pelvic hyperemia." Dr. Maines and other historians have
>> described the practice of hydrotherapy, the taking to the baths or
>> spas, as an ancient means to a sometimes climactic end. A century ago,
>> spas like Saratoga Springs were a favorite destination of the
>> well-to-do, who enjoyed the diversity of aqua-regimens: the warm
>> baths, the bracing baths, the mineral baths, the gas-infused bubbly
>> baths, the swirling proto-Jacuzzi baths, and, especially, the "douche"
>> baths, in which a current of water was directed through a
>> high-pressure hose or nozzle against the surface of the body -- or
>> into a cavity of the body, if the bather so desired.
>> A young woman named Abigail May, who traveled to Ballston
>> Springs, N.Y., in 1800, seeking relief from the pain of her cancer,
>> found happiness, if not a cure, in the water treatments, Dr. Maines
>> writes, using information from a journal she found during her
>> research. At first nervous at the sight of the douche hoses, May made
>> sure to "have laudanum handy" and then took the plunge. "I screamed
>> merrily -- so says Mama," May wrote in her journal. "For my own part I
>> do not remember much about it -- I felt finely for two hours after
>> bathing" and was "so much pleased with the Bath" that she went again
>> not long afterwards.
>> The vibrator remained a staple of the doctor's armamentarium and
>> the proper wife's boudoir until the 1920s, Dr. Maines said, when it
>> began showing up in stag films and quickly lost its patina of
>> gentility.
>> Vibrators are still widely available, of course -- unless you
>> happen to live in Alabama, Georgia and Texas, where state legislatures
>> have banned the sale of vibrators and other "sex toys." The American
>> Civil Liberties Union is now vigorously challenging the Alabama
>> statute. If Alabama permits the prescribing of the anti-impotence drug
>> Viagra, the ACLU argues, how dare it tell women that they can't have
>> their own electromechanical prescription for joy?
>Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
A decent woman does not post such things. My mother always said women who
are too preoccupied with sex are ill.
>"Leila DuBois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In the History of Gynecology, a Surprising Chapter
>> By NATALIE ANGIER
>> Electricity has given so much comfort to womankind, such
>> surcease to her life of drudgery. It gave her the vacuum cleaner, the
>> pop-up toaster and the automatic ice dispenser.
>> And perhaps above all, it gave her the vibrator. In the annals
>> of Victorian medicine, a time of "Goetze's device for producing
>> dimples" and "Merrell's strengthening cordial, liver invigorator and
>> purifier of the blood," the debut of the electromechanical vibrator in
>> the early 1880s was one medical event that truly worked wonders --
>> safely, reliably, repeatedly.
>> As historian Rachel Maines describes in her exhaustively
>> researched if decidedly offbeat work, "The Technology of Orgasm:
>> 'Hysteria,' the Vibrator, and Women's Sexual Satisfaction" (Johns
>> Hopkins Press, 1999), the vibrator was developed to perfect and
>> automate a function that doctors had long performed for their female
>> patients: the relief of physical, emotional and sexual tension through
>> external pelvic massage, culminating in orgasm.
>> For doctors, the routine had usually been tedious, with about as
>> much erotic content as a Kenneth Starr document. "Most of them did it
>> because they felt it was their duty," Dr. Maines said in an interview.
>> "It wasn't sexual at all."
>> The vibrator, she argues, made that job easy, quick and clean.
>> With a vibrator in the office, a doctor could complete in seconds or
>> minutes what had taken up to an hour through manual means. With a
>> vibrator, a female patient suffering from any number of symptoms
>> labeled "hysterical" or "neurasthenic" could be given relief -- or at
>> least be pleased enough to guarantee her habitual patronage.
>> "I'm sure the women felt much better afterwards, slept better,
>> smiled more," said Dr. Maines. Besides, she added, hysteria, as it was
>> traditionally defined, was an incurable, chronic disease. "The patient
>> had to go to the doctor regularly," Dr. Maines said. "She didn't die.
>> She was a cash cow."
>> Nowadays, it is hard to fathom doctors giving their patients
>> what Dr. Maines calls regular "vulvular" massage, either manually or
>> electromechanically. But the 1899 edition of the Merck Manual, a
>> reference guide for physicians, lists massage as a treatment for
>> hysteria (as well as sulfuric acid for nymphomania). And in a 1903
>> commentary on treatments for hysterical patients, Dr. Samuel Howard
>> Monell wrote that "pelvic massage (in gynecology) has its brilliant
>> advocates and they report wonderful results."
>> But he noted that many doctors had difficulty treating patients
>> "with their own fingers," and hailed the vibrator as a godsend:
>> "Special applicators (motor driven) give practical value and office
>> convenience to what otherwise is impractical."
>> Small wonder that by the turn of the 20th century, about 20
>> years after Dr. Joseph Mortimer Granville patented the first
>> electromechanical vibrator, there were at least two dozen models
>> available to the medical profession. There were musical vibrators,
>> counterweighted vibrators, vibratory forks, undulating wire coils
>> called vibratiles, vibrators that hung from the ceiling, vibrators
>> attached to tables, floor models on rollers and portable devices that
>> fit in the palm of the hand.
>> They were powered by electric current, battery, foot pedal,
>> water turbine, gas engine or air pressure, and they shimmied at speeds
>> ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 pulses per minute. They were priced to
>> move, ranging from a low of $15 to what Dr. Maines calls the "Cadillac
>> of vibrators," the Chattanooga, which cost $200 plus freight charges
>> in 1904 and which, in its aggressive multi-cantilevered design, is
>> more evocative of the Tower of London than the Pink Pussycat boutique.
>> Doctors used vibrators for many non-orgasmic purposes, including
>> to treat constipation, arthritis, muscle fatigue, inflammation
>> laryngitis and tumors; and men as well as women were the recipients of
>> vibratory physic. But that a big selling point for the devices was
>> their particular usefulness in treating "female ailments" can be
>> gleaned from catalog copy and medical textbooks at the time.
>> A text from 1883 called "Health For Women" recommended the new
>> vibrators for treating "pelvic hyperemia," or congestion of the
>> genitalia. Vibrators were also marketed directly to women, as home
>> appliances. In fact, the vibrator was only the fifth household device
>> to be electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and
>> toaster, and preceding by about a decade the vacuum cleaner and
>> electric iron -- perhaps, Dr. Maines suggests, "reflecting consumer
>> priorities." Advertised in such respectable periodicals as
>> Needlecraft, Woman's Home Companion, Modern Priscilla and the Sears,
>> Roebuck catalog, vibrators were pitched as "aids that every woman
>> appreciates," with the delicious promise that "all the pleasures of
>> youth ... will throb within you."
>> Significantly, the vibrators and their accoutrements almost
>> never took the form of the dildo, for the simple reason that vibrators
>> were meant to be used externally. As a result, medically indicated
>> massage therapy could be pitched as upstanding and asexual -- and less
>> risque than the gynecologist's speculum, which came under heavy
>> ethical fire when it was first introduced in the late 19th century.
>> Dr. Maines, head of Maines and Associates, a firm that offers
>> cataloging and research services to museums and archives, first
>> stumbled on her piquant subject while researching a paper on the
>> history of needlework. Thumbing through a 1906 needlepoint magazine,
>> she found, to her astonishment, an advertisement for a vibrator. When
>> she realized there was no scholarly history of the vibrator and
>> related "technologies of orgasm," she decided to research the topic,
>> consulting libraries around this country and abroad.
>> Her investigations led her to conclude that doctors became the
>> keepers of the female orgasm for several related reasons. To begin
>> with, women have been presumed since Hippocrates' day, if not earlier,
>> to suffer from some sort of "womb furie" -- the word "hysteria," after
>> all, derives from uterus. The result was thought to be a spectacular
>> assortment of symptoms, including lassitude, irritability, depression,
>> confusion, palpitations of the heart, headaches, forgetfulness,
>> insomnia, muscle spasms, stomach upsets, writing cramps, ticklishness
>> and weepiness. Who better to treat the wayward female than a
>> physician, and where better to address his ministrations than toward
>> the general area of her rebellious female parts?
>> Dr. Maines also proposes that women historically have suffered
>> from a lack of sexual satisfaction -- that they needed somebody's help
>> to have the orgasms they were not having in the bedroom. By the tenets
>> of what she calls the "androcentric" model of sex, women were supposed
>> to be satisfied by the motions of heterosexual intercourse -- the
>> missionary position and its close proxies.
>> Yet as many studies have shown, at least two-thirds of women
>> fail to reach orgasm through coitus alone, Dr. Maines said. As a
>> result, she said, many women historically may have spent their lives
>> in an orgasm deficit, without necessarily identifying it as such. At
>> the same time, religious edicts against masturbation discouraged women
>> from self-exploration. "In effect," she writes, "doctors inherited the
>> task of producing orgasm in women because it was a job nobody else
>> wanted."
>> The vibrator was not the first therapeutic approach to treating
>> feminine "pelvic hyperemia." Dr. Maines and other historians have
>> described the practice of hydrotherapy, the taking to the baths or
>> spas, as an ancient means to a sometimes climactic end. A century ago,
>> spas like Saratoga Springs were a favorite destination of the
>> well-to-do, who enjoyed the diversity of aqua-regimens: the warm
>> baths, the bracing baths, the mineral baths, the gas-infused bubbly
>> baths, the swirling proto-Jacuzzi baths, and, especially, the "douche"
>> baths, in which a current of water was directed through a
>> high-pressure hose or nozzle against the surface of the body -- or
>> into a cavity of the body, if the bather so desired.
>> A young woman named Abigail May, who traveled to Ballston
>> Springs, N.Y., in 1800, seeking relief from the pain of her cancer,
>> found happiness, if not a cure, in the water treatments, Dr. Maines
>> writes, using information from a journal she found during her
>> research. At first nervous at the sight of the douche hoses, May made
>> sure to "have laudanum handy" and then took the plunge. "I screamed
>> merrily -- so says Mama," May wrote in her journal. "For my own part I
>> do not remember much about it -- I felt finely for two hours after
>> bathing" and was "so much pleased with the Bath" that she went again
>> not long afterwards.
>> The vibrator remained a staple of the doctor's armamentarium and
>> the proper wife's boudoir until the 1920s, Dr. Maines said, when it
>> began showing up in stag films and quickly lost its patina of
>> gentility.
>> Vibrators are still widely available, of course -- unless you
>> happen to live in Alabama, Georgia and Texas, where state legislatures
>> have banned the sale of vibrators and other "sex toys." The American
>> Civil Liberties Union is now vigorously challenging the Alabama
>> statute. If Alabama permits the prescribing of the anti-impotence drug
>> Viagra, the ACLU argues, how dare it tell women that they can't have
>> their own electromechanical prescription for joy?
Mar 12th 2004 | 9:55 am
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Re: The History of Vibrators and the Elusive Female Orgasm
Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>My wife has anal orgasms, so make that three kinds of female orgasm. Oh,
>and she can come just with nipple stimulation, so I guess it's actually four
>types of female orgasm.
>As an added bonus, she ejaculates sometimes when she has a real intense
>orgasm. Some kind of liquid sprays straight out of her ****.
I hate to shatter your illusions but if your wife is actually having these
kinds of emissions I'd have her checked out. She probably installed some
kind of plumbing system to fool you.
Oh, and no gentleman would ever post such things about his wife. Shame on
you.
>"RSL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> It is my understanding that the physician Sigmund Freud, well-known as a
>> founder of Psychoanalysis, who had some ideas that were first thought of
>as
>> rather strange, then largely accepted, then later again as mighty strange
>> indeed, had this notion of the so-called "vaginal orgasm." As I seem to
>> recall reading, he asserted that it was superior to "clitoral orgasm."
>> Since presumably penises were involved in most "vaginal orgasms" while
>> female fingers could take care of the clitoral ones, this suggests to me a
>> kind of male superiority thing. I seem to remember that he asserted that
>> clitoral orgasms were associated with immaturity. Freud himself did no
>> actually scientific research, no experimentation whatsoever, after he
>became
>> immersed in Psychoanalysis, but asserted ideas that he imagined were true.
>> I believe that later actual research has demonstrated that the "vaginal
>> orgasm" is the result of stimulation of the clitoris. It has been a
>fairly
>> long time since I earned my PhD in Psychology, and I have been retired for
>a
>> while. I think that I will Google on this subject, and see what
>information
>> might be found in what may be a vast corpus on the subject.
>> "Carla R." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read
>it.
>> > Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> > difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>> >
>> > "Leila DuBois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > In the History of Gynecology, a Surprising Chapter
>> > > By NATALIE ANGIER
>> > >
>> > > Electricity has given so much comfort to womankind, such
>> > > surcease to her life of drudgery. It gave her the vacuum cleaner, the
>> > > pop-up toaster and the automatic ice dispenser.
>> > >
>> > > And perhaps above all, it gave her the vibrator. In the annals
>> > > of Victorian medicine, a time of "Goetze's device for producing
>> > > dimples" and "Merrell's strengthening cordial, liver invigorator and
>> > > purifier of the blood," the debut of the electromechanical vibrator in
>> > > the early 1880s was one medical event that truly worked wonders --
>> > > safely, reliably, repeatedly.
>> > >
>> > > As historian Rachel Maines describes in her exhaustively
>> > > researched if decidedly offbeat work, "The Technology of Orgasm:
>> > > 'Hysteria,' the Vibrator, and Women's Sexual Satisfaction" (Johns
>> > > Hopkins Press, 1999), the vibrator was developed to perfect and
>> > > automate a function that doctors had long performed for their female
>> > > patients: the relief of physical, emotional and sexual tension through
>> > > external pelvic massage, culminating in orgasm.
>> > >
>> > > For doctors, the routine had usually been tedious, with about as
>> > > much erotic content as a Kenneth Starr document. "Most of them did it
>> > > because they felt it was their duty," Dr. Maines said in an interview.
>> > > "It wasn't sexual at all."
>> > > The vibrator, she argues, made that job easy, quick and clean.
>> > > With a vibrator in the office, a doctor could complete in seconds or
>> > > minutes what had taken up to an hour through manual means. With a
>> > > vibrator, a female patient suffering from any number of symptoms
>> > > labeled "hysterical" or "neurasthenic" could be given relief -- or at
>> > > least be pleased enough to guarantee her habitual patronage.
>> > > "I'm sure the women felt much better afterwards, slept better,
>> > > smiled more," said Dr. Maines. Besides, she added, hysteria, as it was
>> > > traditionally defined, was an incurable, chronic disease. "The patient
>> > > had to go to the doctor regularly," Dr. Maines said. "She didn't die.
>> > > She was a cash cow."
>> > >
>> > > Nowadays, it is hard to fathom doctors giving their patients
>> > > what Dr. Maines calls regular "vulvular" massage, either manually or
>> > > electromechanically. But the 1899 edition of the Merck Manual, a
>> > > reference guide for physicians, lists massage as a treatment for
>> > > hysteria (as well as sulfuric acid for nymphomania). And in a 1903
>> > > commentary on treatments for hysterical patients, Dr. Samuel Howard
>> > > Monell wrote that "pelvic massage (in gynecology) has its brilliant
>> > > advocates and they report wonderful results."
>> > > But he noted that many doctors had difficulty treating patients
>> > > "with their own fingers," and hailed the vibrator as a godsend:
>> > > "Special applicators (motor driven) give practical value and office
>> > > convenience to what otherwise is impractical."
>> > > Small wonder that by the turn of the 20th century, about 20
>> > > years after Dr. Joseph Mortimer Granville patented the first
>> > > electromechanical vibrator, there were at least two dozen models
>> > > available to the medical profession. There were musical vibrators,
>> > > counterweighted vibrators, vibratory forks, undulating wire coils
>> > > called vibratiles, vibrators that hung from the ceiling, vibrators
>> > > attached to tables, floor models on rollers and portable devices that
>> > > fit in the palm of the hand.
>> > > They were powered by electric current, battery, foot pedal,
>> > > water turbine, gas engine or air pressure, and they shimmied at speeds
>> > > ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 pulses per minute. They were priced to
>> > > move, ranging from a low of $15 to what Dr. Maines calls the "Cadillac
>> > > of vibrators," the Chattanooga, which cost $200 plus freight charges
>> > > in 1904 and which, in its aggressive multi-cantilevered design, is
>> > > more evocative of the Tower of London than the Pink Pussycat boutique.
>> > >
>> > > Doctors used vibrators for many non-orgasmic purposes, including
>> > > to treat constipation, arthritis, muscle fatigue, inflammation
>> > > laryngitis and tumors; and men as well as women were the recipients of
>> > > vibratory physic. But that a big selling point for the devices was
>> > > their particular usefulness in treating "female ailments" can be
>> > > gleaned from catalog copy and medical textbooks at the time.
>> > > A text from 1883 called "Health For Women" recommended the new
>> > > vibrators for treating "pelvic hyperemia," or congestion of the
>> > > genitalia. Vibrators were also marketed directly to women, as home
>> > > appliances. In fact, the vibrator was only the fifth household device
>> > > to be electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and
>> > > toaster, and preceding by about a decade the vacuum cleaner and
>> > > electric iron -- perhaps, Dr. Maines suggests, "reflecting consumer
>> > > priorities." Advertised in such respectable periodicals as
>> > > Needlecraft, Woman's Home Companion, Modern Priscilla and the Sears,
>> > > Roebuck catalog, vibrators were pitched as "aids that every woman
>> > > appreciates," with the delicious promise that "all the pleasures of
>> > > youth ... will throb within you."
>> > > Significantly, the vibrators and their accoutrements almost
>> > > never took the form of the dildo, for the simple reason that vibrators
>> > > were meant to be used externally. As a result, medically indicated
>> > > massage therapy could be pitched as upstanding and asexual -- and less
>> > > risque than the gynecologist's speculum, which came under heavy
>> > > ethical fire when it was first introduced in the late 19th century.
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Maines, head of Maines and Associates, a firm that offers
>> > > cataloging and research services to museums and archives, first
>> > > stumbled on her piquant subject while researching a paper on the
>> > > history of needlework. Thumbing through a 1906 needlepoint magazine,
>> > > she found, to her astonishment, an advertisement for a vibrator. When
>> > > she realized there was no scholarly history of the vibrator and
>> > > related "technologies of orgasm," she decided to research the topic,
>> > > consulting libraries around this country and abroad.
>> > > Her investigations led her to conclude that doctors became the
>> > > keepers of the female orgasm for several related reasons. To begin
>> > > with, women have been presumed since Hippocrates' day, if not earlier,
>> > > to suffer from some sort of "womb furie" -- the word "hysteria," after
>> > > all, derives from uterus. The result was thought to be a spectacular
>> > > assortment of symptoms, including lassitude, irritability, depression,
>> > > confusion, palpitations of the heart, headaches, forgetfulness,
>> > > insomnia, muscle spasms, stomach upsets, writing cramps, ticklishness
>> > > and weepiness. Who better to treat the wayward female than a
>> > > physician, and where better to address his ministrations than toward
>> > > the general area of her rebellious female parts?
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Maines also proposes that women historically have suffered
>> > > from a lack of sexual satisfaction -- that they needed somebody's help
>> > > to have the orgasms they were not having in the bedroom. By the tenets
>> > > of what she calls the "androcentric" model of sex, women were supposed
>> > > to be satisfied by the motions of heterosexual intercourse -- the
>> > > missionary position and its close proxies.
>> > > Yet as many studies have shown, at least two-thirds of women
>> > > fail to reach orgasm through coitus alone, Dr. Maines said. As a
>> > > result, she said, many women historically may have spent their lives
>> > > in an orgasm deficit, without necessarily identifying it as such. At
>> > > the same time, religious edicts against masturbation discouraged women
>> > > from self-exploration. "In effect," she writes, "doctors inherited the
>> > > task of producing orgasm in women because it was a job nobody else
>> > > wanted."
>> > >
>> > > The vibrator was not the first therapeutic approach to treating
>> > > feminine "pelvic hyperemia." Dr. Maines and other historians have
>> > > described the practice of hydrotherapy, the taking to the baths or
>> > > spas, as an ancient means to a sometimes climactic end. A century ago,
>> > > spas like Saratoga Springs were a favorite destination of the
>> > > well-to-do, who enjoyed the diversity of aqua-regimens: the warm
>> > > baths, the bracing baths, the mineral baths, the gas-infused bubbly
>> > > baths, the swirling proto-Jacuzzi baths, and, especially, the "douche"
>> > > baths, in which a current of water was directed through a
>> > > high-pressure hose or nozzle against the surface of the body -- or
>> > > into a cavity of the body, if the bather so desired.
>> > >
>> > > A young woman named Abigail May, who traveled to Ballston
>> > > Springs, N.Y., in 1800, seeking relief from the pain of her cancer,
>> > > found happiness, if not a cure, in the water treatments, Dr. Maines
>> > > writes, using information from a journal she found during her
>> > > research. At first nervous at the sight of the douche hoses, May made
>> > > sure to "have laudanum handy" and then took the plunge. "I screamed
>> > > merrily -- so says Mama," May wrote in her journal. "For my own part I
>> > > do not remember much about it -- I felt finely for two hours after
>> > > bathing" and was "so much pleased with the Bath" that she went again
>> > > not long afterwards.
>> > >
>> > > The vibrator remained a staple of the doctor's armamentarium and
>> > > the proper wife's boudoir until the 1920s, Dr. Maines said, when it
>> > > began showing up in stag films and quickly lost its patina of
>> > > gentility.
>> > >
>> > > Vibrators are still widely available, of course -- unless you
>> > > happen to live in Alabama, Georgia and Texas, where state legislatures
>> > > have banned the sale of vibrators and other "sex toys." The American
>> > > Civil Liberties Union is now vigorously challenging the Alabama
>> > > statute. If Alabama permits the prescribing of the anti-impotence drug
>> > > Viagra, the ACLU argues, how dare it tell women that they can't have
>> > > their own electromechanical prescription for joy?
>> >
>> >
>My wife has anal orgasms, so make that three kinds of female orgasm. Oh,
>and she can come just with nipple stimulation, so I guess it's actually four
>types of female orgasm.
>As an added bonus, she ejaculates sometimes when she has a real intense
>orgasm. Some kind of liquid sprays straight out of her ****.
I hate to shatter your illusions but if your wife is actually having these
kinds of emissions I'd have her checked out. She probably installed some
kind of plumbing system to fool you.
Oh, and no gentleman would ever post such things about his wife. Shame on
you.
>"RSL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> It is my understanding that the physician Sigmund Freud, well-known as a
>> founder of Psychoanalysis, who had some ideas that were first thought of
>as
>> rather strange, then largely accepted, then later again as mighty strange
>> indeed, had this notion of the so-called "vaginal orgasm." As I seem to
>> recall reading, he asserted that it was superior to "clitoral orgasm."
>> Since presumably penises were involved in most "vaginal orgasms" while
>> female fingers could take care of the clitoral ones, this suggests to me a
>> kind of male superiority thing. I seem to remember that he asserted that
>> clitoral orgasms were associated with immaturity. Freud himself did no
>> actually scientific research, no experimentation whatsoever, after he
>became
>> immersed in Psychoanalysis, but asserted ideas that he imagined were true.
>> I believe that later actual research has demonstrated that the "vaginal
>> orgasm" is the result of stimulation of the clitoris. It has been a
>fairly
>> long time since I earned my PhD in Psychology, and I have been retired for
>a
>> while. I think that I will Google on this subject, and see what
>information
>> might be found in what may be a vast corpus on the subject.
>> "Carla R." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read
>it.
>> > Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> > difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>> >
>> > "Leila DuBois" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > In the History of Gynecology, a Surprising Chapter
>> > > By NATALIE ANGIER
>> > >
>> > > Electricity has given so much comfort to womankind, such
>> > > surcease to her life of drudgery. It gave her the vacuum cleaner, the
>> > > pop-up toaster and the automatic ice dispenser.
>> > >
>> > > And perhaps above all, it gave her the vibrator. In the annals
>> > > of Victorian medicine, a time of "Goetze's device for producing
>> > > dimples" and "Merrell's strengthening cordial, liver invigorator and
>> > > purifier of the blood," the debut of the electromechanical vibrator in
>> > > the early 1880s was one medical event that truly worked wonders --
>> > > safely, reliably, repeatedly.
>> > >
>> > > As historian Rachel Maines describes in her exhaustively
>> > > researched if decidedly offbeat work, "The Technology of Orgasm:
>> > > 'Hysteria,' the Vibrator, and Women's Sexual Satisfaction" (Johns
>> > > Hopkins Press, 1999), the vibrator was developed to perfect and
>> > > automate a function that doctors had long performed for their female
>> > > patients: the relief of physical, emotional and sexual tension through
>> > > external pelvic massage, culminating in orgasm.
>> > >
>> > > For doctors, the routine had usually been tedious, with about as
>> > > much erotic content as a Kenneth Starr document. "Most of them did it
>> > > because they felt it was their duty," Dr. Maines said in an interview.
>> > > "It wasn't sexual at all."
>> > > The vibrator, she argues, made that job easy, quick and clean.
>> > > With a vibrator in the office, a doctor could complete in seconds or
>> > > minutes what had taken up to an hour through manual means. With a
>> > > vibrator, a female patient suffering from any number of symptoms
>> > > labeled "hysterical" or "neurasthenic" could be given relief -- or at
>> > > least be pleased enough to guarantee her habitual patronage.
>> > > "I'm sure the women felt much better afterwards, slept better,
>> > > smiled more," said Dr. Maines. Besides, she added, hysteria, as it was
>> > > traditionally defined, was an incurable, chronic disease. "The patient
>> > > had to go to the doctor regularly," Dr. Maines said. "She didn't die.
>> > > She was a cash cow."
>> > >
>> > > Nowadays, it is hard to fathom doctors giving their patients
>> > > what Dr. Maines calls regular "vulvular" massage, either manually or
>> > > electromechanically. But the 1899 edition of the Merck Manual, a
>> > > reference guide for physicians, lists massage as a treatment for
>> > > hysteria (as well as sulfuric acid for nymphomania). And in a 1903
>> > > commentary on treatments for hysterical patients, Dr. Samuel Howard
>> > > Monell wrote that "pelvic massage (in gynecology) has its brilliant
>> > > advocates and they report wonderful results."
>> > > But he noted that many doctors had difficulty treating patients
>> > > "with their own fingers," and hailed the vibrator as a godsend:
>> > > "Special applicators (motor driven) give practical value and office
>> > > convenience to what otherwise is impractical."
>> > > Small wonder that by the turn of the 20th century, about 20
>> > > years after Dr. Joseph Mortimer Granville patented the first
>> > > electromechanical vibrator, there were at least two dozen models
>> > > available to the medical profession. There were musical vibrators,
>> > > counterweighted vibrators, vibratory forks, undulating wire coils
>> > > called vibratiles, vibrators that hung from the ceiling, vibrators
>> > > attached to tables, floor models on rollers and portable devices that
>> > > fit in the palm of the hand.
>> > > They were powered by electric current, battery, foot pedal,
>> > > water turbine, gas engine or air pressure, and they shimmied at speeds
>> > > ranging from 1,000 to 7,000 pulses per minute. They were priced to
>> > > move, ranging from a low of $15 to what Dr. Maines calls the "Cadillac
>> > > of vibrators," the Chattanooga, which cost $200 plus freight charges
>> > > in 1904 and which, in its aggressive multi-cantilevered design, is
>> > > more evocative of the Tower of London than the Pink Pussycat boutique.
>> > >
>> > > Doctors used vibrators for many non-orgasmic purposes, including
>> > > to treat constipation, arthritis, muscle fatigue, inflammation
>> > > laryngitis and tumors; and men as well as women were the recipients of
>> > > vibratory physic. But that a big selling point for the devices was
>> > > their particular usefulness in treating "female ailments" can be
>> > > gleaned from catalog copy and medical textbooks at the time.
>> > > A text from 1883 called "Health For Women" recommended the new
>> > > vibrators for treating "pelvic hyperemia," or congestion of the
>> > > genitalia. Vibrators were also marketed directly to women, as home
>> > > appliances. In fact, the vibrator was only the fifth household device
>> > > to be electrified, after the sewing machine, fan, tea kettle and
>> > > toaster, and preceding by about a decade the vacuum cleaner and
>> > > electric iron -- perhaps, Dr. Maines suggests, "reflecting consumer
>> > > priorities." Advertised in such respectable periodicals as
>> > > Needlecraft, Woman's Home Companion, Modern Priscilla and the Sears,
>> > > Roebuck catalog, vibrators were pitched as "aids that every woman
>> > > appreciates," with the delicious promise that "all the pleasures of
>> > > youth ... will throb within you."
>> > > Significantly, the vibrators and their accoutrements almost
>> > > never took the form of the dildo, for the simple reason that vibrators
>> > > were meant to be used externally. As a result, medically indicated
>> > > massage therapy could be pitched as upstanding and asexual -- and less
>> > > risque than the gynecologist's speculum, which came under heavy
>> > > ethical fire when it was first introduced in the late 19th century.
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Maines, head of Maines and Associates, a firm that offers
>> > > cataloging and research services to museums and archives, first
>> > > stumbled on her piquant subject while researching a paper on the
>> > > history of needlework. Thumbing through a 1906 needlepoint magazine,
>> > > she found, to her astonishment, an advertisement for a vibrator. When
>> > > she realized there was no scholarly history of the vibrator and
>> > > related "technologies of orgasm," she decided to research the topic,
>> > > consulting libraries around this country and abroad.
>> > > Her investigations led her to conclude that doctors became the
>> > > keepers of the female orgasm for several related reasons. To begin
>> > > with, women have been presumed since Hippocrates' day, if not earlier,
>> > > to suffer from some sort of "womb furie" -- the word "hysteria," after
>> > > all, derives from uterus. The result was thought to be a spectacular
>> > > assortment of symptoms, including lassitude, irritability, depression,
>> > > confusion, palpitations of the heart, headaches, forgetfulness,
>> > > insomnia, muscle spasms, stomach upsets, writing cramps, ticklishness
>> > > and weepiness. Who better to treat the wayward female than a
>> > > physician, and where better to address his ministrations than toward
>> > > the general area of her rebellious female parts?
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Maines also proposes that women historically have suffered
>> > > from a lack of sexual satisfaction -- that they needed somebody's help
>> > > to have the orgasms they were not having in the bedroom. By the tenets
>> > > of what she calls the "androcentric" model of sex, women were supposed
>> > > to be satisfied by the motions of heterosexual intercourse -- the
>> > > missionary position and its close proxies.
>> > > Yet as many studies have shown, at least two-thirds of women
>> > > fail to reach orgasm through coitus alone, Dr. Maines said. As a
>> > > result, she said, many women historically may have spent their lives
>> > > in an orgasm deficit, without necessarily identifying it as such. At
>> > > the same time, religious edicts against masturbation discouraged women
>> > > from self-exploration. "In effect," she writes, "doctors inherited the
>> > > task of producing orgasm in women because it was a job nobody else
>> > > wanted."
>> > >
>> > > The vibrator was not the first therapeutic approach to treating
>> > > feminine "pelvic hyperemia." Dr. Maines and other historians have
>> > > described the practice of hydrotherapy, the taking to the baths or
>> > > spas, as an ancient means to a sometimes climactic end. A century ago,
>> > > spas like Saratoga Springs were a favorite destination of the
>> > > well-to-do, who enjoyed the diversity of aqua-regimens: the warm
>> > > baths, the bracing baths, the mineral baths, the gas-infused bubbly
>> > > baths, the swirling proto-Jacuzzi baths, and, especially, the "douche"
>> > > baths, in which a current of water was directed through a
>> > > high-pressure hose or nozzle against the surface of the body -- or
>> > > into a cavity of the body, if the bather so desired.
>> > >
>> > > A young woman named Abigail May, who traveled to Ballston
>> > > Springs, N.Y., in 1800, seeking relief from the pain of her cancer,
>> > > found happiness, if not a cure, in the water treatments, Dr. Maines
>> > > writes, using information from a journal she found during her
>> > > research. At first nervous at the sight of the douche hoses, May made
>> > > sure to "have laudanum handy" and then took the plunge. "I screamed
>> > > merrily -- so says Mama," May wrote in her journal. "For my own part I
>> > > do not remember much about it -- I felt finely for two hours after
>> > > bathing" and was "so much pleased with the Bath" that she went again
>> > > not long afterwards.
>> > >
>> > > The vibrator remained a staple of the doctor's armamentarium and
>> > > the proper wife's boudoir until the 1920s, Dr. Maines said, when it
>> > > began showing up in stag films and quickly lost its patina of
>> > > gentility.
>> > >
>> > > Vibrators are still widely available, of course -- unless you
>> > > happen to live in Alabama, Georgia and Texas, where state legislatures
>> > > have banned the sale of vibrators and other "sex toys." The American
>> > > Civil Liberties Union is now vigorously challenging the Alabama
>> > > statute. If Alabama permits the prescribing of the anti-impotence drug
>> > > Viagra, the ACLU argues, how dare it tell women that they can't have
>> > > their own electromechanical prescription for joy?
>> >
>> >
Mar 12th 2004 | 9:56 am
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[email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>> Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
read these groups!
>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>> Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
read these groups!
Mar 12th 2004 | 9:57 am
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Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Ginger Grant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read
>it.
>> > Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> > difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>> Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>> clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
>Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and quivers wildly
>during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation. She also ejaculates, but I
>suppose you're going to tell me there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>Just because you're incapable of experiencing something doesn't mean others
>can't.
Any woman who puts on that kind of show in the bedroom is not a decent
woman. Where did you find your wife, a trailer park?
>"Ginger Grant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read
>it.
>> > Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>> > difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>> Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>> clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
>Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and quivers wildly
>during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation. She also ejaculates, but I
>suppose you're going to tell me there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>Just because you're incapable of experiencing something doesn't mean others
>can't.
Any woman who puts on that kind of show in the bedroom is not a decent
woman. Where did you find your wife, a trailer park?
Mar 12th 2004 | 9:58 am
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[email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>(Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve endings, let
>alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus has 100,000,000,000
>more nerves in it that the vagina. The vagina is "numb" for a reason,
>it has to do with birth)
Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused for
pleasure. These people have been watching too much pornography. Go to
confession!
>> Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and quivers wildly
>> during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation. She also ejaculates, but I
>> suppose you're going to tell me there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>>
>> Just because you're incapable of experiencing something doesn't mean others
>> can't.
>Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>(Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve endings, let
>alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus has 100,000,000,000
>more nerves in it that the vagina. The vagina is "numb" for a reason,
>it has to do with birth)
Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused for
pleasure. These people have been watching too much pornography. Go to
confession!
>> Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and quivers wildly
>> during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation. She also ejaculates, but I
>> suppose you're going to tell me there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>>
>> Just because you're incapable of experiencing something doesn't mean others
>> can't.
Mar 12th 2004 | 10:43 am
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Lina Morgan wrote:
> Please do not post filth like this.
Exactly how twisted do you have to be to regard sexual pleasure as
"filth"?
> Please do not post filth like this.
Exactly how twisted do you have to be to regard sexual pleasure as
"filth"?
Mar 12th 2004 | 10:46 am
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Lina Morgan wrote:
> Carla R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the
>> men read it. Men know so little about female sexuality. Most
>> don't even know the difference between a clitoral orgasm and
>> a vaginal one.
> A decent woman does not post such things. My mother always
> said women who are too preoccupied with sex are ill.
Why does it bother you? Are you so repressed that you can't imagine a
woman being enthusiastic about sex? Believe me, that's a problem with
*you*, rather than something wrong with other people. Seek help.
> Carla R. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the
>> men read it. Men know so little about female sexuality. Most
>> don't even know the difference between a clitoral orgasm and
>> a vaginal one.
> A decent woman does not post such things. My mother always
> said women who are too preoccupied with sex are ill.
Why does it bother you? Are you so repressed that you can't imagine a
woman being enthusiastic about sex? Believe me, that's a problem with
*you*, rather than something wrong with other people. Seek help.
Mar 12th 2004 | 10:50 am
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Lina Morgan wrote:
> Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My wife has anal orgasms, so make that three kinds of female
>> orgasm. Oh, and she can come just with nipple stimulation,
>> so I guess it's actually four types of female orgasm.
>> As an added bonus, she ejaculates sometimes when she has a
>> real intense orgasm. Some kind of liquid sprays straight out
>> of her ****.
> I hate to shatter your illusions but if your wife is actually
> having these kinds of emissions I'd have her checked out. She
> probably installed some kind of plumbing system to fool you.
No I'm afraid you're displaying your ignorance here. If you want to
learn, read up about female ejaculations.
> Oh, and no gentleman would ever post such things about his
> wife. Shame on you.
Of course he would. Sex is not something to be ashamed of, but
something to be celebrated, and certainly a valid topic for
discussion.
> Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My wife has anal orgasms, so make that three kinds of female
>> orgasm. Oh, and she can come just with nipple stimulation,
>> so I guess it's actually four types of female orgasm.
>> As an added bonus, she ejaculates sometimes when she has a
>> real intense orgasm. Some kind of liquid sprays straight out
>> of her ****.
> I hate to shatter your illusions but if your wife is actually
> having these kinds of emissions I'd have her checked out. She
> probably installed some kind of plumbing system to fool you.
No I'm afraid you're displaying your ignorance here. If you want to
learn, read up about female ejaculations.
> Oh, and no gentleman would ever post such things about his
> wife. Shame on you.
Of course he would. Sex is not something to be ashamed of, but
something to be celebrated, and certainly a valid topic for
discussion.
Mar 12th 2004 | 10:52 am
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Lina Morgan wrote:
> Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Ginger Grant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all
>>>> the men read it. Men know so little about female sexuality.
>>>> Most don't even know the difference between a clitoral
>>>> orgasm and a vaginal one.
>>> Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal
>>> orgasm & the clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT
>>> EXIST.
>> Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and
>> quivers wildly during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation.
>> She also ejaculates, but I suppose you're going to tell me
>> there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>> Just because you're incapable of experiencing something
>> doesn't mean others can't.
> Any woman who puts on that kind of show in the bedroom is not
> a decent woman.
How silly. There's nothing indecent about sex, and nothing indecent
about being enthusiastic about it. You're the one with the problem.
> Ronald <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Ginger Grant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all
>>>> the men read it. Men know so little about female sexuality.
>>>> Most don't even know the difference between a clitoral
>>>> orgasm and a vaginal one.
>>> Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal
>>> orgasm & the clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT
>>> EXIST.
>> Yeah right, tell that to my wife whose vagina thobs and
>> quivers wildly during orgasm with no clitoral stimulation.
>> She also ejaculates, but I suppose you're going to tell me
>> there's no such thing as female ejaculation.
>> Just because you're incapable of experiencing something
>> doesn't mean others can't.
> Any woman who puts on that kind of show in the bedroom is not
> a decent woman.
How silly. There's nothing indecent about sex, and nothing indecent
about being enthusiastic about it. You're the one with the problem.
Mar 12th 2004 | 10:54 am
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Lina Morgan wrote:
> [email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>> Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>> (Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve
>> endings, let alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus
>> has 100,000,000,000 more nerves in it that the vagina. The
>> vagina is "numb" for a reason, it has to do with birth)
> Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused
> for pleasure.
What's wrong with pleasure?
> [email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>> Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>> (Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve
>> endings, let alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus
>> has 100,000,000,000 more nerves in it that the vagina. The
>> vagina is "numb" for a reason, it has to do with birth)
> Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused
> for pleasure.
What's wrong with pleasure?
Mar 12th 2004 | 2:30 pm
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In article <[email protected] >,
Lina Morgan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
> read these groups!
Bull****INGshit, they are too busy looking at all the pictures in
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cheerleaders and
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.spanking
Lina Morgan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
> read these groups!
Bull****INGshit, they are too busy looking at all the pictures in
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cheerleaders and
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.spanking
Mar 12th 2004 | 2:36 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Icarus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lina Morgan wrote:
>
> > Please do not post filth like this.
>
> Exactly how twisted do you have to be to regard sexual pleasure as
> "filth"?
Twisted enough that a nations laws should be dictated by what the bible
says. But only that part of the bible she agrees with. So the parts of
the old testament that agrees with her bigotry are ok, but the others,
like killing children who talk back to their parents or not going to
church if you are on your period have to go.
"Icarus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lina Morgan wrote:
>
> > Please do not post filth like this.
>
> Exactly how twisted do you have to be to regard sexual pleasure as
> "filth"?
Twisted enough that a nations laws should be dictated by what the bible
says. But only that part of the bible she agrees with. So the parts of
the old testament that agrees with her bigotry are ok, but the others,
like killing children who talk back to their parents or not going to
church if you are on your period have to go.
Mar 12th 2004 | 4:09 pm
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steve sullivan <[email protected]> astounded us with: news:steve-
[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected] >,
> Lina Morgan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
>> read these groups!
>
> Bull****INGshit, they are too busy looking at all the pictures in
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[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected] >,
> Lina Morgan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
>> read these groups!
>
> Bull****INGshit, they are too busy looking at all the pictures in
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cheerleaders and
> alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.spanking
>
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Mar 12th 2004 | 4:10 pm
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Re: The History of Vibrators and the Elusive Female Orgasm
"Icarus" <[email protected]> astounded us with: news:c2tj3d$213lk1$1@ID-
165613.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Lina Morgan wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>>> Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>>> (Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve
>>> endings, let alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus
>>> has 100,000,000,000 more nerves in it that the vagina. The
>>> vagina is "numb" for a reason, it has to do with birth)
>> Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused
>> for pleasure.
>
> What's wrong with pleasure?
>
>
>
It's a christian thing, they need to feel guilty about having fun
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165613.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Lina Morgan wrote:
>
>> [email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>>> Yeah, and I know: she has NEVER faked it with you, right? LOL!
>>> (Pssst: the vagina, the birth canal, does not have nerve
>>> endings, let alone enought to produce an orgasm. Your anus
>>> has 100,000,000,000 more nerves in it that the vagina. The
>>> vagina is "numb" for a reason, it has to do with birth)
>> Exactly. These things exist for procreation, not to be abused
>> for pleasure.
>
> What's wrong with pleasure?
>
>
>
It's a christian thing, they need to feel guilty about having fun
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Mar 13th 2004 | 5:58 am
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Re: The History of Vibrators and the Elusive Female Orgasm
Lina Morgan <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>>> Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>>> difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>>Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>>clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
>Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
>read these groups!
Children are the ones who need it the MOST! They go crazy from parents
puting all these crazy ideas in their heads!!!
>[email protected] (Ginger Grant) wrote:
>>> Great article, thanks so much for posting it! I hope all the men read it.
>>> Men know so little about female sexuality. Most don't even know the
>>> difference between a clitoral orgasm and a vaginal one.
>>Umm, okay... but the real difference between the vaginal orgasm & the
>>clitoral orgasm: THE VAGINAL ORGASM DOE NOT EXIST.
>Exactly. Thank you. Now can you all stop posting such filth. Children
>read these groups!
Children are the ones who need it the MOST! They go crazy from parents
puting all these crazy ideas in their heads!!!
