and $884 to another airport (BER)

So, At $884, it is going to be difficult to save $750 by going to AMS and driving to
Berlin. And this is for the Sept 19-30 dates you stated.

mrtravel wrote:
    >
    > FWIW, from QIXO
    >
    > Sept 19-30 Norfolk, VA to Belin (I didn't know what VA city you were near)
    >
    > ORF-THF shows fares of $978 on Continental Airlines and Delta Air Transport N.V.
    >
    > That would be Norfolk-Newark-Brussels-Berlin
    >
    > I didn't check the other airports. I just can't believe you are saving $750 per
    > person on the airfare cost.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:31:31 -0700, Dave Smith <[email protected]> let us in
on their opinion by saying:

    >ZombyWoof wrote:
    >
    >> I really wish people would actually check before making assumptions. I would have
    >> thought like you are myself. However, I checked the Airfares for our dates of
    >> travel on the web. Flying into Amsterdam is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is
    >> $1500,00,
    >
    >I flew from Toronto to Hamburg last here for $585 (Cdn.)
    >
Since everyone seems so hell bent on arguing with me on this one issue, try using any
of the online sites (Orbitz, Travelocity ..etc) for middle/end of September travel
dates and let me know what you get.

I get a quote of $967 ORF - TXL on 9/21 - 9/30 from Orbitz as of right this minute
and the plane stops in AMS for a transfer. For the weeks on either side of that date
the cost is the same.

So since the stupid plane stops in Amsterdam any way, why shouldn't I get off and do
some sight seeing on the weekend on my own time? The difference in the price of the
ticket times 2 (another person is traveling) will cover the cost of the rental car.
Company isn't out a dime, I get to see Amsterdam.

I am truly sorry I ever asked the question. I hope I run into people who are a tad
bit more friendly on my trip.

To the folks who answered my questions with tips on what to do & see, I thank you
very much.


--

Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never
get it back.

ZombyWoof

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:15:07 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) let us in on their
opinion by saying:

    >ZombyWoof <Bit Bucket> wrote:
    >> I noticed a hotel while cruising the web called Bulldogs. Prices seemed extremely
    >> attractive with what appeared to be a tad of a wild flair to the hotel. Any
    >> comments? Even though I am older in age, I am not a stuffy person.
    >
    >I haven't stayed there myself, but I can tell you that Bulldog is a chain of
    >coffeeshops (i.e., marijuana bars) around Amsterdam. They seem upscale as such
    >places go, but I assume the hotel would draw from the same clientele - 20-something
    >Canadians and Americans on the one interesting experience of their lives, plus Brits
    >on their habitual weekend bender. The hotel itself is in the red light district,
    >which may or may not be a good thing, depending on how not stuffy you are...
    >
Not a bit stuffy. I was a lad once myself. People stoned on reefer are usually quite
mellow in my experience. It's the ones on alcohol you have to watch out for.

    >> I don't mind wandering around a museum, but would much prefer to be outside if the
    >> weather is nice. What should I expect the weather to be like in the middle of
    >> September? I also like to sit in a park on a nice day with a good smoke and just
    >> watch people.
    >
    >You'll probably need a light jacket at least part of the day. But everyone is
    >definitely out and about in September, so it's great for people-watching.
    >
Thanks, sounds about like my weather here.

    >> Money can be an issue, but not a large one for one meal. If you had to recommend
    >> the number one dutch dish, not to be missed, what would you suggest? I try to
    >> indulge myself in local specialties when I travel. Never surprises me when I go
    >> somewhere overseas and I see Americans queued up at McDonalds. This will be my
    >> first trip to Europe, I have extensively traveled in most of Asia.
    >
    >Regrettably I wouldn't say the cuisine in Europe compares (unless your travels in
    >Asia were limited to Nepal and Mongolia). It's a matter of taste, though.
    >
Most of my travels were in Korea, Japan, Thailand, Hong Kong, and the Philippines.

For those who like to make snide remarks, yes I was in the military, and yes I saw
more the inside of titty bars. However, they were on the evening itinerary.

    >miguel

--

Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never
get it back.

ZombyWoof

ZombyWoof wrote:
    >
    >
    > So since the stupid plane stops in Amsterdam any way, why shouldn't I get off and
    > do some sight seeing on the weekend on my own time? The difference in the price of
    > the ticket times 2 (another person is traveling) will cover the cost of the rental
    > car. Company isn't out a dime, I get to see Amsterdam.
    >

But... that isn't what you said. You claimed you were going to AMS and then driving
to Berlin to save your company $750 per person times 2...

    > I am truly sorry I ever asked the question. I hope I run into people who are a tad
    > bit more friendly on my trip.

All you had to do was say you wanted to go to Amsterdam instead of telling this story
about how you had to fly there and drive in order to save $$4 due to the high ticket
prices to Germany for Octoberfest. What you said didn't make sense and factually the
airfare to Germany isn't as high as you claimed.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:40:18 GMT, mrtravel <[email protected]> let us in on
their opinion by saying:

    >ZombyWoof wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> So since the stupid plane stops in Amsterdam any way, why shouldn't I get off and
    >> do some sight seeing on the weekend on my own time? The difference in the price of
    >> the ticket times 2 (another person is traveling) will cover the cost of the rental
    >> car. Company isn't out a dime, I get to see Amsterdam.
    >>
    >
    >But... that isn't what you said. You claimed you were going to AMS and then driving
    >to Berlin to save your company $750 per person times 2...
    >
In my original post that is exactly what I said. On the day that I said it, it was
based on the information I had on that day. I wish to god I never posted the stupid
ass post to begin with. People are more interested in playing Joe travel agent as
opposed to answer the question I asked.

    >> I am truly sorry I ever asked the question. I hope I run into people who are a tad
    >> bit more friendly on my trip.
    >
    >All you had to do was say you wanted to go to Amsterdam instead of telling this
    >story about how you had to fly there and drive in order to save $$4 due to the high
    >ticket prices to Germany for Octoberfest. What you said didn't make sense and
    >factually the airfare to Germany isn't as high as you claimed.

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get it back.

ZombyWoof

"ZombyWoof" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:31:31 -0700, Dave Smith <[email protected]> let us
    > in on their opinion by saying:
    >
    > >ZombyWoof wrote:
    > So since the stupid plane stops in Amsterdam any way, why shouldn't I get off and
    > do some sight seeing on the weekend on my own time? The difference in the price of
    > the ticket times 2 (another person is traveling) will cover the cost of the rental
    > car. Company isn't out a dime, I get to see Amsterdam.
    >
    > I am truly sorry I ever asked the question. I hope I run into people who are a tad
    > bit more friendly on my trip.

My advice is never tell anyone why you want to do something. It isn't anyone's
buiness anyway, and that's all they argue about. You want to do it, ask how, details,
basta. If it is truly dangerous or something, someone will slip that in anyway.

Judith wrote:
    >
    > My advice is never tell anyone why you want to do something. It isn't anyone's
    > buiness anyway, and that's all they argue about. You want to do it, ask how,
    > details, basta. If it is truly dangerous or something, someone will slip that
    > in anyway.

I disagree. It sounded like he thought he "had" to go to Amsterdam and drive to
Berline because the fare to Berlin was %$750 more. If that really was his reason for
going to Amsterdam, then indicating he could get to Berlin for a much lower price is
helpful information. As it stood, he was spreading false information indciating
getting to Berlin was a lot more expesnsive that it is. The information may not have
mattered to him, but it helps other people that may be going to Berlin in September.
If I just wanted to assist him, I would email him. If I respond in the group, it is
because the information should be shared.

ZombyWoof wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > In my original post that is exactly what I said. On the day that I said it, it was
    > based on the information I had on that day. I wish to god I never posted the stupid
    > ass post to begin with. People are more interested in playing Joe travel agent as
    > opposed to answer the question I asked.

Your question were answered. Additionally other people read the newsgroup and your
statements about the airfare were false. It was important to correct that information
so that people who want to go to Berlin know that the airfare is NOT $750 MORE than
it is to AMS. In fact the actual airfare isn't much more than %750 total. I found
$894 from a normal online agency. If needed, it wouldn't be that difficult to find it
from a consolidator or some other method for under $800.

ZombyWoof wrote:

    > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:31:31 -0700, Dave Smith I am truly sorry I ever asked the
    > question. I hope I run into people who are a tad bit more friendly on my trip.

Well excuse the hell out of us. What you had suggested did not make a heck of a lot
of sense, and the price difference you claimed seemed way out of line. Flying
overseas and then doing some quick sightseeing and then a long drive for business
didn't seem like the best way to do it. But what the heck, if you are hell bent on
doing that, go ahead.

ZombyWoof <[email protected]> wrote:
    > mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >ZombyWoof wrote:

    > >> In my original post that is exactly what I said. On the day that I said it, it
    > >> was based on the information I had on that day. I wish to god I never posted the
    > >> stupid ass post to begin with. People are more interested in playing Joe travel
    > >> agent as opposed to answer the question I asked.

    > >Your question were answered. Additionally other people read the newsgroup and your
    > >statements about the airfare were false. It was important to correct that
    > >information so that people who want to go to Berlin know that the airfare is NOT
    > >$750 MORE than it is to AMS. In fact the actual airfare isn't much more than %750
    > >total. I found $894 from a normal online agency. If needed, it wouldn't be that
    > >difficult to find it from a consolidator or some other method for under $800.

    > I repeat, on the day I posted, for TWO people is was that amount. The entire issue
    > is moot anyhow. Thanks for the feedback.

That isn't what you posted.

In article <[email protected]>, you wrote:

= I checked the Airfares for our dates of travel on the web. Flying into Amsterdam
= is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is $1500,00,

That is: "$750 p[er]p[erson]", or "$1500" "for TWO people".

You may well wish that you "never posted the sutpid ass post to begin with" -- but
you don't make yourself look any better by lying about what you wrote then.

Perhaps it was a mistake. If so, then admit it and move on. But trying to defend the
indefensible (particularly by misrepresenting things that are so easily verified)
doesn't help.

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Have you allowed for the price of gas? You are looking at around $5 a gallon in Europe, though they sell it by the liter to disguise the outrageous price.