Heading to Europe on business
Jul 23rd 2002 | 9:20 am
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
ZombyWoof wrote:
>But of course this wasn't the question I was asking now was it?
Too bad somebody had the nerve to answer a question you never asked. However, being a
strong (?) American citizen of 47 years who can even stand six hours of driving, you
will probably survive this impertinence.
>Not really into hookers & getting stoned. I 47, been there done that.
Oh, a former (?) American drug addict of 47, travelling alone by rental car with
yellow number plates is planning to cross the German borderline at Oldenzaal/Bad
Benim on September 19, 2002. How cute. You will just *love* the German police
officers. It will absolutely not be necessary to book the hotel room in Berlin for
the first one or two nights you were planning to stay there. SCNR.
To sum things up: I was just pointing out that your statement
>I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
>will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
>way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
is either your nonsense or your travel agent's. Just don't post any nonsense here if
you wouldn't want to have it commented. Thank you.
Jens
>But of course this wasn't the question I was asking now was it?
Too bad somebody had the nerve to answer a question you never asked. However, being a
strong (?) American citizen of 47 years who can even stand six hours of driving, you
will probably survive this impertinence.
>Not really into hookers & getting stoned. I 47, been there done that.
Oh, a former (?) American drug addict of 47, travelling alone by rental car with
yellow number plates is planning to cross the German borderline at Oldenzaal/Bad
Benim on September 19, 2002. How cute. You will just *love* the German police
officers. It will absolutely not be necessary to book the hotel room in Berlin for
the first one or two nights you were planning to stay there. SCNR.
To sum things up: I was just pointing out that your statement
>I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
>will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
>way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
is either your nonsense or your travel agent's. Just don't post any nonsense here if
you wouldn't want to have it commented. Thank you.
Jens
Jul 23rd 2002 | 9:20 am
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
Tom wrote:
>I do not believe anyone can drive from Amsterdam to Berlin in 6 hours.
On a quite night, no stops, it could be possible. However, not very likely.
Jens
>I do not believe anyone can drive from Amsterdam to Berlin in 6 hours.
On a quite night, no stops, it could be possible. However, not very likely.
Jens
Jul 23rd 2002 | 1:21 pm
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ZombyWoof wrote:
> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact. I
> will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
> will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
> way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
Get a new travel agent. It doesn't cost that much more to fly to Berlin than to
Amsterdam, and you can bet that the cost of fuel will be more than any alleged
savings. It has also been my experience that car rentals in Holland are about double
the cost in Germany. Then there is the extra two days of steady driving to get back
and forth to Berlin.
Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good day's
drive from Berlin.
> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact. I
> will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
> will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
> way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
Get a new travel agent. It doesn't cost that much more to fly to Berlin than to
Amsterdam, and you can bet that the cost of fuel will be more than any alleged
savings. It has also been my experience that car rentals in Holland are about double
the cost in Germany. Then there is the extra two days of steady driving to get back
and forth to Berlin.
Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good day's
drive from Berlin.
Jul 23rd 2002 | 4:20 pm
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Jens Arne Maennig wrote:
>
> ZombyWoof wrote:
>
> >I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact.
> >I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were
> >I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest
> >expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
> He's kidding. Oktoberfest is far south in Munich, 850 kms/528 mls from Amsterdam
> and 600 kms/373 mls from Berlin, so it will not block any of the AMS-TXL/SXF/THF
> (don't know to which one they go these days from AMS) connections. If he doesn't
> want to get you a flight to Berlin, he must have other reasons. Get yourself
> another travel agent.
He may not have a choice! (He did say "corporate T/A".)
>
> ZombyWoof wrote:
>
> >I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact.
> >I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were
> >I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest
> >expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
> He's kidding. Oktoberfest is far south in Munich, 850 kms/528 mls from Amsterdam
> and 600 kms/373 mls from Berlin, so it will not block any of the AMS-TXL/SXF/THF
> (don't know to which one they go these days from AMS) connections. If he doesn't
> want to get you a flight to Berlin, he must have other reasons. Get yourself
> another travel agent.
He may not have a choice! (He did say "corporate T/A".)
Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On 23 Jul 2002 18:21:14 GMT, newstartnz <[email protected]> let us in on their
opinion by saying:
>Yeah sounds like you're ripping off your company Zomby, did you get your unnecessary
>trip to Amsterdam, weekend hotel, car rental and waste of 2 days travelling down to
>Berlin, approved on the basis of an Oktoberfest blocking flights into Berlin?! Nice
>cheek! Did you already know the boss was thick as two short planks when you asked?!
>I admire your bravado. Nearest I ever got was a free airticket for a scuba diving
>trip in Australia but the round the world ticket in coach my company bought me was
>USD3000 cheaper than return business to LA and I did get my boss's approval first on
>the basis of the cost savings.
>
>Nice one.
>
And this relly isn't the question I asked either. BTW -- I am the Boss.
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opinion by saying:
>Yeah sounds like you're ripping off your company Zomby, did you get your unnecessary
>trip to Amsterdam, weekend hotel, car rental and waste of 2 days travelling down to
>Berlin, approved on the basis of an Oktoberfest blocking flights into Berlin?! Nice
>cheek! Did you already know the boss was thick as two short planks when you asked?!
>I admire your bravado. Nearest I ever got was a free airticket for a scuba diving
>trip in Australia but the round the world ticket in coach my company bought me was
>USD3000 cheaper than return business to LA and I did get my boss's approval first on
>the basis of the cost savings.
>
>Nice one.
>
And this relly isn't the question I asked either. BTW -- I am the Boss.
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:46:11 -0700, Dave Smith <[email protected]> let us in
on their opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof wrote:
>
>> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact.
>> I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were
>> I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest
>> expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
>Get a new travel agent. It doesn't cost that much more to fly to Berlin than to
>Amsterdam, and you can bet that the cost of fuel will be more than any alleged
>savings. It has also been my experience that car rentals in Holland are about double
>the cost in Germany. Then there is the extra two days of steady driving to get back
>and forth to Berlin.
>
I really wish people would actually check before making assumptions. I would have
thought like you are myself. However, I checked the Airfares for our dates of travel
on the web. Flying into Amsterdam is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is $1500,00,
>Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good day's
>drive from Berlin.
>
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on their opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof wrote:
>
>> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be exact.
>> I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were
>> I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest
>> expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
>Get a new travel agent. It doesn't cost that much more to fly to Berlin than to
>Amsterdam, and you can bet that the cost of fuel will be more than any alleged
>savings. It has also been my experience that car rentals in Holland are about double
>the cost in Germany. Then there is the extra two days of steady driving to get back
>and forth to Berlin.
>
I really wish people would actually check before making assumptions. I would have
thought like you are myself. However, I checked the Airfares for our dates of travel
on the web. Flying into Amsterdam is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is $1500,00,
>Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good day's
>drive from Berlin.
>
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:58:42 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) let us in on their
opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof <Bit Bucket> wrote:
>> "J. Wijnands" <[email protected]> let us in on their opinion by saying:
>>> No, the questions is, what would you like to do? Get drunk, stoned, serviced by
>>> one of the professional ladies? Or are you more interested in seeing the town,
>>> catching a museum?
>>
>> No I want to know what others do. What the must do's are. Hookers hold no appeal
>> to me. Don't mind rubber-necking them though. I do drink, enjoy jazz. Wish I
>> could smoke but am subject to random drug screens at work. To good of a job to
>> loss over a buzz. I think I would enjoy seeing the town. I like architecture. I
>> also love to eat.
>
>Amsterdam is a captivating city to wander around in. The maze of canals and bridges,
>combined with the old buildings punctuated by occasional sparks of ultra-modernity,
>make for great aimless discovery.
>
>As for neighborhoods, make sure to check out the Jordaan, just west of centraal
>station, which has some of the best canal-facing houses. Walk along Harlemmerstraat
>to Harlemmerplein (open square with ugly sculpture) enjoying the shops and shoppers,
>and then come back one block south along the canal.
>
>I wouldn't say it's a top-10 eating city, but there are some interesting cuisines to
>be found. Indonesian, Surinaamse, and Turkish are the best of them.
>
>If you're there on a Saturday or Sunday, you might consider taking the train to
>Beverwijk (about 20 minutes) and checking out the middle eastern pavilion at the
>weekly Zwarte Markt (black market). It's about a 15-minute walk from the station;
>follow the signs and crowds or just ask anyone. The middle eastern hall is a giant
>building housing a bazaar of Turkish, Moroccan, Syrian, Egyptian, and other middle
>eastern hawkers. They sell spices, music, clothes, and some really good food
>(restaurant-style as well as Turkish bread, etc., for takeaway). The smells and
>sounds in the air will take you far from Europe.
>
>> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>
>You'll find it correlates strongly to age. English-language education became a
>really big thing after WWII, so people schooled in that time (through the present)
>have the best mastery. Plenty of people in their 20s and 30s have so adeptly
>conquered idiom and dialect that you'd be hard-pressed to imagine them not growing
>up in an English-speaking country.
>
>Outside of the big cities the quality of English is not so universally perfect but
>most people still speak it very well.
>
>miguel
>
Thanks that is exactly the type of information I was hoping to get.
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opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof <Bit Bucket> wrote:
>> "J. Wijnands" <[email protected]> let us in on their opinion by saying:
>>> No, the questions is, what would you like to do? Get drunk, stoned, serviced by
>>> one of the professional ladies? Or are you more interested in seeing the town,
>>> catching a museum?
>>
>> No I want to know what others do. What the must do's are. Hookers hold no appeal
>> to me. Don't mind rubber-necking them though. I do drink, enjoy jazz. Wish I
>> could smoke but am subject to random drug screens at work. To good of a job to
>> loss over a buzz. I think I would enjoy seeing the town. I like architecture. I
>> also love to eat.
>
>Amsterdam is a captivating city to wander around in. The maze of canals and bridges,
>combined with the old buildings punctuated by occasional sparks of ultra-modernity,
>make for great aimless discovery.
>
>As for neighborhoods, make sure to check out the Jordaan, just west of centraal
>station, which has some of the best canal-facing houses. Walk along Harlemmerstraat
>to Harlemmerplein (open square with ugly sculpture) enjoying the shops and shoppers,
>and then come back one block south along the canal.
>
>I wouldn't say it's a top-10 eating city, but there are some interesting cuisines to
>be found. Indonesian, Surinaamse, and Turkish are the best of them.
>
>If you're there on a Saturday or Sunday, you might consider taking the train to
>Beverwijk (about 20 minutes) and checking out the middle eastern pavilion at the
>weekly Zwarte Markt (black market). It's about a 15-minute walk from the station;
>follow the signs and crowds or just ask anyone. The middle eastern hall is a giant
>building housing a bazaar of Turkish, Moroccan, Syrian, Egyptian, and other middle
>eastern hawkers. They sell spices, music, clothes, and some really good food
>(restaurant-style as well as Turkish bread, etc., for takeaway). The smells and
>sounds in the air will take you far from Europe.
>
>> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>
>You'll find it correlates strongly to age. English-language education became a
>really big thing after WWII, so people schooled in that time (through the present)
>have the best mastery. Plenty of people in their 20s and 30s have so adeptly
>conquered idiom and dialect that you'd be hard-pressed to imagine them not growing
>up in an English-speaking country.
>
>Outside of the big cities the quality of English is not so universally perfect but
>most people still speak it very well.
>
>miguel
>
Thanks that is exactly the type of information I was hoping to get.
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:48:50 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig <[email protected]> let us
in on their opinion by saying:
>a.spencer3 wrote:
>>Jens Arne Maennig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> He's kidding. Oktoberfest is far south in Munich,
>>
>>THE Oktoberfest may well be Munich's, but many other towns also hold them. Would
>>certainly check if Berlin's is on then - if so, stay there!
>
>Berlin's biggest "Oktoberfest" is being organized by the "Bavarian embassy"
>(Landesvertretung) in Berlin, has about 3.000 visitors (on invitation only) and
>lasts one evening. Not exactly the kind of event that is influencing the traffic of
>the tree Berlin airports with a total capacity of 5.700 passengers an hour too
>dramatically.
>
>Jens
>
It is not traffic it is cost. The expense during that time is greater. And what does
any of this have to do with the question I asked?
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in on their opinion by saying:
>a.spencer3 wrote:
>>Jens Arne Maennig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> He's kidding. Oktoberfest is far south in Munich,
>>
>>THE Oktoberfest may well be Munich's, but many other towns also hold them. Would
>>certainly check if Berlin's is on then - if so, stay there!
>
>Berlin's biggest "Oktoberfest" is being organized by the "Bavarian embassy"
>(Landesvertretung) in Berlin, has about 3.000 visitors (on invitation only) and
>lasts one evening. Not exactly the kind of event that is influencing the traffic of
>the tree Berlin airports with a total capacity of 5.700 passengers an hour too
>dramatically.
>
>Jens
>
It is not traffic it is cost. The expense during that time is greater. And what does
any of this have to do with the question I asked?
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:07:26 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig <[email protected]> let us
in on their opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof wrote:
>
>>But of course this wasn't the question I was asking now was it?
>
>Too bad somebody had the nerve to answer a question you never asked. However, being
>a strong (?) American citizen of 47 years who can even stand six hours of driving,
>you will probably survive this impertinence.
>
>>Not really into hookers & getting stoned. I 47, been there done that.
>
>Oh, a former (?) American drug addict of 47, travelling alone by rental car with
>yellow number plates is planning to cross the German borderline at Oldenzaal/Bad
>Benim on September 19, 2002. How cute. You will just *love* the German police
>officers. It will absolutely not be necessary to book the hotel room in Berlin for
>the first one or two nights you were planning to stay there. SCNR.
>
What has any of the above have to do with anything?
>To sum things up: I was just pointing out that your statement
>
>>I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
>>will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
>>way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
>is either your nonsense or your travel agent's. Just don't post any nonsense here if
>you wouldn't want to have it commented. Thank you.
>
>Jens
>
Even better yet I think I'll just put your silly ass comments in the ignore column,
That are about useless anyways,
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in on their opinion by saying:
>ZombyWoof wrote:
>
>>But of course this wasn't the question I was asking now was it?
>
>Too bad somebody had the nerve to answer a question you never asked. However, being
>a strong (?) American citizen of 47 years who can even stand six hours of driving,
>you will probably survive this impertinence.
>
>>Not really into hookers & getting stoned. I 47, been there done that.
>
>Oh, a former (?) American drug addict of 47, travelling alone by rental car with
>yellow number plates is planning to cross the German borderline at Oldenzaal/Bad
>Benim on September 19, 2002. How cute. You will just *love* the German police
>officers. It will absolutely not be necessary to book the hotel room in Berlin for
>the first one or two nights you were planning to stay there. SCNR.
>
What has any of the above have to do with anything?
>To sum things up: I was just pointing out that your statement
>
>>I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to Berlin were I
>>will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the lest expensive
>>way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
>
>is either your nonsense or your travel agent's. Just don't post any nonsense here if
>you wouldn't want to have it commented. Thank you.
>
>Jens
>
Even better yet I think I'll just put your silly ass comments in the ignore column,
That are about useless anyways,
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get it back.
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:20 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
Jens Arne Maennig <[email protected]> writes:
>a.spencer3 wrote:
>>THE Oktoberfest may well be Munich's, but many other towns also hold them. Would
>>certainly check if Berlin's is on then - if so, stay there!
Berlin has an Oktoberfest.
>Berlin's biggest "Oktoberfest" is being organized by the "Bavarian embassy"
>(Landesvertretung) in Berlin, has about 3.000 visitors (on invitation only) and
>lasts one evening.
I don't know about that. It's probably just a boring official event.
But Berlin also has a _real_ Oktoberfest, a fair with roundabouts, rollercoaster,
ferris wheel and a (not as large) beer tent. That was the only Oktoberfest I knew as
a child, and when I later learnt that Munich has one too, I first thought "do they
have to copy everything from Berlin".
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>a.spencer3 wrote:
>>THE Oktoberfest may well be Munich's, but many other towns also hold them. Would
>>certainly check if Berlin's is on then - if so, stay there!
Berlin has an Oktoberfest.
>Berlin's biggest "Oktoberfest" is being organized by the "Bavarian embassy"
>(Landesvertretung) in Berlin, has about 3.000 visitors (on invitation only) and
>lasts one evening.
I don't know about that. It's probably just a boring official event.
But Berlin also has a _real_ Oktoberfest, a fair with roundabouts, rollercoaster,
ferris wheel and a (not as large) beer tent. That was the only Oktoberfest I knew as
a child, and when I later learnt that Munich has one too, I first thought "do they
have to copy everything from Berlin".
Regards
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 8:52 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
[i]And this relly isn't the question I asked either. BTW -- I am the Boss.
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Jul 23rd 2002 | 10:21 pm
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, ZombyWoof wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:53:56 +0200, "J. Wijnands" <[email protected]> let us in on
> their opinion by saying:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, ZombyWoof wrote:
> >
> >> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be
> >> exact. I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to
> >> Berlin were I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the
> >> lest expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
> >>
> >Eh? Serious? That's quite a drive man, better hope your T/A got you a decent
> >rental.
> >
> Well according to the driving directions, it's only about six hours. For an
> American that's an afternoon drive. I might forego the drive & take the train. But
> it is awful expensive, there will be two of us. The costs of two R/T rail tickets
> exceeds the cost of the rental.
>
Six hours is, I think, somewhat optimistic. Would mean no traffic problems at all and
flooring the pedal as soon as you reach the motorbahn.
> >> With a weekend to kill on the front-end. Where would you spend it? I'm thinking
> >> I might stay in Amsterdam. Question is, what would I do, or more to the point.
> >> What is there to do?
> >>
> >No, the questions is, what would you like to do? Get drunk, stoned, serviced by
> >one of the professional ladies? Or are you more interested in seeing the town,
> >catching a museum?
> >
> No I want to know what others do. What the must do's are. Hookers hold no appeal
> to me. Don't mind rubber-necking them though. I do drink, enjoy jazz. Wish I
> could smoke but am subject to random drug screens at work. To good of a job to
> loss over a buzz. I think I would enjoy seeing the town. I like architecture. I
> also love to eat.
>
Well, if you enjoy a cigar I'd reccomend stepping into the old hajenius shop
(www.hajenius.nl). Rubbernecking you can do while strolling trough the redlight
district. Architecture is all over the old part of the city. Visit the tourist office
(VVV) and buy a walking route which will guide you along some highlights. Jordaan is
already mentioned so I won't.
There's of course the big museums (rijks, van gogh) and the smaller ones like the
scheepvaart.
Eating. www.lekker.nl is a good, dutch, index to restaurants in NL. If money is no
problem you might want to try Vermeer (prins hendrikkade 59-72) or step into
nl.culinair for reccomendations.
> >> Also have another weekend on the back-end. Where would you spend it? I'm
> >> thinking I would/could stay in Berlin or take a very slow country drive back to
> >> Amsterdam.
>
> >Personally I don't find Berlin that attractive. Id' say plan a route along some
> >towns that weren't bombed to pieces in the war.
> >
> I have to stay in Berlin for a week because I am going on business not holiday.
>
I ment for the weekend on the back end.
> >>
> >> Just looking for ideas. Thanks if you have any practical experience.
> >>
> >Live just outside amsterdam, does that count?
> >
> Want a job as a tour guide for a weekend? All food & drinks included.
>
>
Tempting but my wife would object. Feel free to mail me if you need more help or if
you have interesting job offers.
> >> Also, any Hotel recommendations?
> >>
> >there's a few big chain hotels in the area near the rai. Convenient for parking
> >and with public transport you're in the centre in 15 minutes at most.
> >
> >There's the Ibis on the Stationsplein, walking distance of most tourists spots and
> >a car park nearby.
> >
> >> Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never get
> >> it back.
> >Yeah, yeah, sure! Just use a .sig seperator next time.
> >
> Of all the .sigs I got, it figures that one does not have one.
>
> On a side note. I happen to be a CIO and am visiting Germany to work with Siemens
> on a project for automated solid waste management. The software system is installed
> for and in use by the cities of Berlin & Munich.
>
Automated shit removal?
> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>
That bad? most people in Amsterdam speak english good enough that you can leave your
dutch phrasebook at home. Go easy on the slang and really complicated words and you
should be fine.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards Jeroen Wijnands http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
--
Taxes are going up so fast, the government is likely to price itself out of
the market.
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:53:56 +0200, "J. Wijnands" <[email protected]> let us in on
> their opinion by saying:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, ZombyWoof wrote:
> >
> >> I have to go to Europe the end of September on business. 9/19 - 9/30 to be
> >> exact. I will be flying into Amsterdam & picking up a rental car to drive to
> >> Berlin were I will be on business for a week. Because of Octoberfest this is the
> >> lest expensive way to get there. Or so says my corporate T/A.
> >>
> >Eh? Serious? That's quite a drive man, better hope your T/A got you a decent
> >rental.
> >
> Well according to the driving directions, it's only about six hours. For an
> American that's an afternoon drive. I might forego the drive & take the train. But
> it is awful expensive, there will be two of us. The costs of two R/T rail tickets
> exceeds the cost of the rental.
>
Six hours is, I think, somewhat optimistic. Would mean no traffic problems at all and
flooring the pedal as soon as you reach the motorbahn.
> >> With a weekend to kill on the front-end. Where would you spend it? I'm thinking
> >> I might stay in Amsterdam. Question is, what would I do, or more to the point.
> >> What is there to do?
> >>
> >No, the questions is, what would you like to do? Get drunk, stoned, serviced by
> >one of the professional ladies? Or are you more interested in seeing the town,
> >catching a museum?
> >
> No I want to know what others do. What the must do's are. Hookers hold no appeal
> to me. Don't mind rubber-necking them though. I do drink, enjoy jazz. Wish I
> could smoke but am subject to random drug screens at work. To good of a job to
> loss over a buzz. I think I would enjoy seeing the town. I like architecture. I
> also love to eat.
>
Well, if you enjoy a cigar I'd reccomend stepping into the old hajenius shop
(www.hajenius.nl). Rubbernecking you can do while strolling trough the redlight
district. Architecture is all over the old part of the city. Visit the tourist office
(VVV) and buy a walking route which will guide you along some highlights. Jordaan is
already mentioned so I won't.
There's of course the big museums (rijks, van gogh) and the smaller ones like the
scheepvaart.
Eating. www.lekker.nl is a good, dutch, index to restaurants in NL. If money is no
problem you might want to try Vermeer (prins hendrikkade 59-72) or step into
nl.culinair for reccomendations.
> >> Also have another weekend on the back-end. Where would you spend it? I'm
> >> thinking I would/could stay in Berlin or take a very slow country drive back to
> >> Amsterdam.
>
> >Personally I don't find Berlin that attractive. Id' say plan a route along some
> >towns that weren't bombed to pieces in the war.
> >
> I have to stay in Berlin for a week because I am going on business not holiday.
>
I ment for the weekend on the back end.
> >>
> >> Just looking for ideas. Thanks if you have any practical experience.
> >>
> >Live just outside amsterdam, does that count?
> >
> Want a job as a tour guide for a weekend? All food & drinks included.
>
>
Tempting but my wife would object. Feel free to mail me if you need more help or if
you have interesting job offers.
> >> Also, any Hotel recommendations?
> >>
> >there's a few big chain hotels in the area near the rai. Convenient for parking
> >and with public transport you're in the centre in 15 minutes at most.
> >
> >There's the Ibis on the Stationsplein, walking distance of most tourists spots and
> >a car park nearby.
> >
> >> Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never get
> >> it back.
> >Yeah, yeah, sure! Just use a .sig seperator next time.
> >
> Of all the .sigs I got, it figures that one does not have one.
>
> On a side note. I happen to be a CIO and am visiting Germany to work with Siemens
> on a project for automated solid waste management. The software system is installed
> for and in use by the cities of Berlin & Munich.
>
Automated shit removal?
> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>
That bad? most people in Amsterdam speak english good enough that you can leave your
dutch phrasebook at home. Go easy on the slang and really complicated words and you
should be fine.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards Jeroen Wijnands http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands
http://spam.pagina.nl
--
Taxes are going up so fast, the government is likely to price itself out of
the market.
Jul 24th 2002 | 2:20 am
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Heading to Europe on business
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:55:40 +0200, "J. Wijnands" <[email protected]> let us in on
their opinion by saying:
<snip>
>Six hours is, I think, somewhat optimistic. Would mean no traffic problems at all
>and flooring the pedal as soon as you reach the motorbahn.
>
Well we in the states do love to drive. Would it be scenic? Or is a it just a highway
with nothing to see?
>Well, if you enjoy a cigar I'd reccomend stepping into the old hajenius shop
>(www.hajenius.nl). Rubbernecking you can do while strolling trough the redlight
>district. Architecture is all over the old part of the city. Visit the tourist
>office (VVV) and buy a walking route which will guide you along some highlights.
>Jordaan is already mentioned so I won't.
>
Ahh, a man after my own heart (or possible heart attack). Yes I do love a good cigar.
Between the US smoke-nazis & our silly-ass embargo it is difficult to enjoy a good
smoke in the US. I have saved your post and will be visiting The Old hajenius shop.
Do they carry Cubans? That is one of the things that I am looking forward to picking
up on my trip.
I noticed a hotel while cruising the web called Bulldogs. Prices seemed extremely
attractive with what appeared to be a tad of a wild flair to the hotel. Any comments?
Even though I am older in age, I am not a stuffy person.
>There's of course the big museums (rijks, van gogh) and the smaller ones like the
>scheepvaart.
>
I don't mind wandering around a museum, but would much prefer to be outside if the
weather is nice. What should I expect the weather to be like in the middle of
September? I also like to sit in a park on a nice day with a good smoke and just
watch people.
>Eating. www.lekker.nl is a good, dutch, index to restaurants in NL. If money is no
>problem you might want to try Vermeer (prins hendrikkade 59-72) or step into
>nl.culinair for reccomendations.
>
Money can be an issue, but not a large one for one meal. If you had to recommend the
number one dutch dish, not to be missed, what would you suggest? I try to indulge
myself in local specialties when I travel. Never surprises me when I go somewhere
overseas and I see Americans queued up at McDonalds. This will be my first trip to
Europe, I have extensively traveled in most of Asia.
<snip>
>Tempting but my wife would object. Feel free to mail me if you need more help or if
>you have interesting job offers.
>
I was only half serious/joking.
>> On a side note. I happen to be a CIO and am visiting Germany to work with Siemens
>> on a project for automated solid waste management. The software system is
>> installed for and in use by the cities of Berlin & Munich.
>>
>Automated shit removal?
>
No Municipal Solid Waste (MSW). I don't know who they do it were you live, but here
in the US we put our trash out in front of the house. The city then comes buy and
takes it away. I am involved with what happens with it after it is picked up.
It is actually quite interesting. If you would like to know more I could take it
off-line. We are using some really interesting technologies.
>
>> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>>
>That bad? most people in Amsterdam speak english good enough that you can leave your
>dutch phrasebook at home. Go easy on the slang and really complicated words and you
>should be fine.
>
Bad? Actually unbelievably well. I would suspect you have an accent, but your written
word is probably better the average American. We have a major literacy problem here.
Since my wife does not speak English as her first language, I rarely have problems
working with others accents.
>--
>Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards Jeroen Wijnands http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands
>http://spam.pagina.nl
--
Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never
get it back.
ZombyWoof
their opinion by saying:
<snip>
>Six hours is, I think, somewhat optimistic. Would mean no traffic problems at all
>and flooring the pedal as soon as you reach the motorbahn.
>
Well we in the states do love to drive. Would it be scenic? Or is a it just a highway
with nothing to see?
>Well, if you enjoy a cigar I'd reccomend stepping into the old hajenius shop
>(www.hajenius.nl). Rubbernecking you can do while strolling trough the redlight
>district. Architecture is all over the old part of the city. Visit the tourist
>office (VVV) and buy a walking route which will guide you along some highlights.
>Jordaan is already mentioned so I won't.
>
Ahh, a man after my own heart (or possible heart attack). Yes I do love a good cigar.
Between the US smoke-nazis & our silly-ass embargo it is difficult to enjoy a good
smoke in the US. I have saved your post and will be visiting The Old hajenius shop.
Do they carry Cubans? That is one of the things that I am looking forward to picking
up on my trip.
I noticed a hotel while cruising the web called Bulldogs. Prices seemed extremely
attractive with what appeared to be a tad of a wild flair to the hotel. Any comments?
Even though I am older in age, I am not a stuffy person.
>There's of course the big museums (rijks, van gogh) and the smaller ones like the
>scheepvaart.
>
I don't mind wandering around a museum, but would much prefer to be outside if the
weather is nice. What should I expect the weather to be like in the middle of
September? I also like to sit in a park on a nice day with a good smoke and just
watch people.
>Eating. www.lekker.nl is a good, dutch, index to restaurants in NL. If money is no
>problem you might want to try Vermeer (prins hendrikkade 59-72) or step into
>nl.culinair for reccomendations.
>
Money can be an issue, but not a large one for one meal. If you had to recommend the
number one dutch dish, not to be missed, what would you suggest? I try to indulge
myself in local specialties when I travel. Never surprises me when I go somewhere
overseas and I see Americans queued up at McDonalds. This will be my first trip to
Europe, I have extensively traveled in most of Asia.
<snip>
>Tempting but my wife would object. Feel free to mail me if you need more help or if
>you have interesting job offers.
>
I was only half serious/joking.
>> On a side note. I happen to be a CIO and am visiting Germany to work with Siemens
>> on a project for automated solid waste management. The software system is
>> installed for and in use by the cities of Berlin & Munich.
>>
>Automated shit removal?
>
No Municipal Solid Waste (MSW). I don't know who they do it were you live, but here
in the US we put our trash out in front of the house. The city then comes buy and
takes it away. I am involved with what happens with it after it is picked up.
It is actually quite interesting. If you would like to know more I could take it
off-line. We are using some really interesting technologies.
>
>> P.S. Does every one in Amsterdam write English at or around your level?
>>
>That bad? most people in Amsterdam speak english good enough that you can leave your
>dutch phrasebook at home. Go easy on the slang and really complicated words and you
>should be fine.
>
Bad? Actually unbelievably well. I would suspect you have an accent, but your written
word is probably better the average American. We have a major literacy problem here.
Since my wife does not speak English as her first language, I rarely have problems
working with others accents.
>--
>Met vriendelijke groeten/Best regards Jeroen Wijnands http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands
>http://spam.pagina.nl
--
Integrity is like virginity. Once you loss it, you are screwed and can never
get it back.
ZombyWoof
Jul 24th 2002 | 3:20 am
#29
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Re: Heading to Europe on business
ZombyWoof wrote:
> I really wish people would actually check before making assumptions. I would have
> thought like you are myself. However, I checked the Airfares for our dates of
> travel on the web. Flying into Amsterdam is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is
> $1500,00,
I flew from Toronto to Hamburg last here for $585 (Cdn.)
> I really wish people would actually check before making assumptions. I would have
> thought like you are myself. However, I checked the Airfares for our dates of
> travel on the web. Flying into Amsterdam is $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is
> $1500,00,
I flew from Toronto to Hamburg last here for $585 (Cdn.)
Jul 24th 2002 | 10:20 am
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: Heading to Europe on business
ZombyWoof wrote: Flying into Amsterdam is
> $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is $1500,00,
>
> >Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good
> >day's drive from Berlin.
You said booking from Virginia to Berlin. What about booking to somewhere in
Europe and then separately to Berlin? The AMS to Berlin fare for 9/19 -9/30 isn't
$750 return.
Of course, there is also the issue of making someone drive 12 hours to save $750 less
car, gas , insurance, hotels (1 or 2 nights), meals, etc but that's another issue.
> $750 pp cheaper the Berlin, That is $1500,00,
>
> >Octoberfest is in Munich, right down near the bottom of Germany. It is a good
> >day's drive from Berlin.
You said booking from Virginia to Berlin. What about booking to somewhere in
Europe and then separately to Berlin? The AMS to Berlin fare for 9/19 -9/30 isn't
$750 return.
Of course, there is also the issue of making someone drive 12 hours to save $750 less
car, gas , insurance, hotels (1 or 2 nights), meals, etc but that's another issue.
