Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
Jun 20th 2005, 9:06 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
In rec.travel.europe [email protected] wrote:
>>> The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational
>>> person would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
>> What a lie.
>> How do you know?
> I don't. Why is it that we have the presumption that a brain dead
> condition is 'living'? No reason for that,is there? So let's do a
> switch and define force feeding for what it is, playing God.
Do you consider force feeding to be playing God if the person is not
"Brain Dead"? And how sure one must be of brain death if other bodily
functions (breathing, elimination) are still working without interference?
How exactly do you define this?
Julie
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>>> The laws need to be changed so as to recognize that no rational
>>> person would choose to live in a persistent vegetative state.
>> What a lie.
>> How do you know?
> I don't. Why is it that we have the presumption that a brain dead
> condition is 'living'? No reason for that,is there? So let's do a
> switch and define force feeding for what it is, playing God.
Do you consider force feeding to be playing God if the person is not
"Brain Dead"? And how sure one must be of brain death if other bodily
functions (breathing, elimination) are still working without interference?
How exactly do you define this?
Julie
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Jun 20th 2005, 11:42 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
"Nolo Contendre" <[email protected]> writes:
:> Sorry, but your resistance individual lives and freedom and
:> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
:> you hope for.
:How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
:ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
:By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
:Almighty?
That's just his way of making insinuations that you'll be punished for daring
to dispute the almighty John D. Wentzky.
:> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to bitch
:> about people who do have hope for better for others.
:For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and 'interference'.
The only line he can comprehend is between him and everyone else...and of
course, he gets to tell the rest of us to obey him. Just ask him. ;-)
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:> Sorry, but your resistance individual lives and freedom and
:> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
:> you hope for.
:How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
:ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
:By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
:Almighty?
That's just his way of making insinuations that you'll be punished for daring
to dispute the almighty John D. Wentzky.
:> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to bitch
:> about people who do have hope for better for others.
:For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and 'interference'.
The only line he can comprehend is between him and everyone else...and of
course, he gets to tell the rest of us to obey him. Just ask him. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey ([email protected]) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (soon to be TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
Jun 21st 2005, 1:38 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
"Nolo Contendre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Sorry, but your resistance to individual lives and freedom and
>> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
>> you hope for.
> How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
> ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
> By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
> Almighty?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
>> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to bitch
>> about people who do have hope for better for others.
> For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and
> 'interference'.
I hope, you interfere.
See the difference?
news:[email protected] ups.com...
>> Sorry, but your resistance to individual lives and freedom and
>> love is what could cause a worse situation to develop than
>> you hope for.
> How so? By allowing a group - one for which I have no respect - the
> ability to determine which are the specific qualifications for life?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
> By agreeing that only one group has the right to speak for the
> Almighty?
The group you are lobbying for is doing the very thing that you say you are
against.
>> Then again, maybe you have no hope and you just like to bitch
>> about people who do have hope for better for others.
> For you there must be a very fine line between 'hope' and
> 'interference'.
I hope, you interfere.
See the difference?
Jun 21st 2005, 2:00 pm
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
Juliana L Holm <[email protected]> wrote:
>While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family member, who is
>very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He is rational and completely
>consistent in his views.
And I bet he'd expect other people to support him.
>Just as I would not want his opinions to affect MY end of life decisions, I
>would not want to have anyone affect his end of life decisions.
>The answer is to write a darn living will.
And make sure you have enough money saved up.
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>While I disagree with him, I have a very conservative family member, who is
>very pro-life and would choose to live in a PVS. He is rational and completely
>consistent in his views.
And I bet he'd expect other people to support him.
>Just as I would not want his opinions to affect MY end of life decisions, I
>would not want to have anyone affect his end of life decisions.
>The answer is to write a darn living will.
And make sure you have enough money saved up.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
Jun 21st 2005, 2:08 pm
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
Johnny <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Nolo Contendre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political
>>>> affiliation away from the extreme right. Those fanatics
>>>> scream loudly but they do not hold the range of support they
>>>> try to claim. The Republicans will start losing elections
>>>> unless they begin to distance themselves from those extremists.
>>> Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really
>>> extremism. It is the extremism that resists common sense and
>>> common order that needs to shift. Values voters are not going
>>> out of existence.
>> So knowing nothing of Mrs. Schiavo or her family, and ignoring years
>> of court rulings, a single group has the arrogance to decide that any
>> quailty of life decisions are best left to them. And this is not
>> extremism?
>People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
>windbag.
Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
her time had come.
>> The interference with the end of life decisions of a
>> stranger, and this is not possibly the worst example of such religious
>> extremism?
>A stranger?
You.
> You inept shitbag.
You insane crackpot.
>> During the Schiavo fiasco the polls all agreed (through the sample
>> which was polled) that this effort was unnecessary and intrusive.
>The God damned polls?
>You trust that bag of deception?
More than we trust an irrational, lying, murderous control freak like
you.
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>"Nolo Contendre" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> What the Governor needs to do is start moving his political
>>>> affiliation away from the extreme right. Those fanatics
>>>> scream loudly but they do not hold the range of support they
>>>> try to claim. The Republicans will start losing elections
>>>> unless they begin to distance themselves from those extremists.
>>> Unproven. What many consider to be extremism is not really
>>> extremism. It is the extremism that resists common sense and
>>> common order that needs to shift. Values voters are not going
>>> out of existence.
>> So knowing nothing of Mrs. Schiavo or her family, and ignoring years
>> of court rulings, a single group has the arrogance to decide that any
>> quailty of life decisions are best left to them. And this is not
>> extremism?
>People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
>windbag.
Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
her time had come.
>> The interference with the end of life decisions of a
>> stranger, and this is not possibly the worst example of such religious
>> extremism?
>A stranger?
You.
> You inept shitbag.
You insane crackpot.
>> During the Schiavo fiasco the polls all agreed (through the sample
>> which was polled) that this effort was unnecessary and intrusive.
>The God damned polls?
>You trust that bag of deception?
More than we trust an irrational, lying, murderous control freak like
you.
--
Ray Fischer
[email protected]
Jun 22nd 2005, 4:23 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
"Ray Fischer"> wrote
> Johnny> wrote:
>>People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
>>windbag.
> Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
> how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
> her time had come.
The fact is that she had been braindead for some 15 years and no amount of
concern would ever change that fact.
The posturing on this subject by Bush, Jeb, the former sheriff of our county
(that was jailed for trying to give Schiavo water), and the thousands of
other people with empty lives who *felt* compelled to inject themselves into
something that is none of their business, is despicable.
> Johnny> wrote:
>>People, including her parents did NOT want her to die, you POS murderous
>>windbag.
> Nobody _wanted_ her to die, you dumbshit control freak. But no matter
> how much you don't like it, everybody does die sooner or later, and
> her time had come.
The fact is that she had been braindead for some 15 years and no amount of
concern would ever change that fact.
The posturing on this subject by Bush, Jeb, the former sheriff of our county
(that was jailed for trying to give Schiavo water), and the thousands of
other people with empty lives who *felt* compelled to inject themselves into
something that is none of their business, is despicable.
Jun 27th 2005, 6:54 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
Craig Chilton wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700,
> "jheez" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor
>>Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago...
>
>
> Gee. If THIS Bush keeps emulating his brother (by consistently
> making such an idiotic ass of himself), he'll probably run for President
> in 2008 and get elected by Diebold's crooked machines.
Don't even JOKE about it! (To some of us such a scenario
seems all too possible.)
>
> http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>
>
> -- Craig Chilton <[email protected]>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:49:59 -0700,
> "jheez" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor
>>Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago...
>
>
> Gee. If THIS Bush keeps emulating his brother (by consistently
> making such an idiotic ass of himself), he'll probably run for President
> in 2008 and get elected by Diebold's crooked machines.
Don't even JOKE about it! (To some of us such a scenario
seems all too possible.)
>
> http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>
>
> -- Craig Chilton <[email protected]>
Jul 1st 2005, 9:10 am
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Re: Gov. Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
> TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor
> Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago,
> calling into question how long it took her husband to call
> 911 after he found her.
Quid pro quo; the Governor will soon be investigating the collapse of
the Republican party. The result of being tied to the narrow focus of
the religious right.
> Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago,
> calling into question how long it took her husband to call
> 911 after he found her.
Quid pro quo; the Governor will soon be investigating the collapse of
the Republican party. The result of being tied to the narrow focus of
the religious right.
