Germany in first week of April??
Feb 4th 2007, 11:44 pm
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Re: Germany in first week of April??
Am Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100 schrieb Magda:
> You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
> as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
Not for a big city like Munich. It is more expensive when there are
tradings fairs or the Oktoberfest, but in general there is no difference
between April and June. June is *not* holiday-season in Germany,
school-holidays normally start later (July/August), so June is still rahter
low-season.
As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you can
have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
snow in April.
Regards,
Frank
> You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
> as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
Not for a big city like Munich. It is more expensive when there are
tradings fairs or the Oktoberfest, but in general there is no difference
between April and June. June is *not* holiday-season in Germany,
school-holidays normally start later (July/August), so June is still rahter
low-season.
As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you can
have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
snow in April.
Regards,
Frank
Feb 4th 2007, 11:51 pm
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:44:27 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Frank Hucklenbroich
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Am Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100 schrieb Magda:
...
... > You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
... > as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
...
... Not for a big city like Munich. It is more expensive when there are
... tradings fairs or the Oktoberfest, but in general there is no difference
... between April and June. June is *not* holiday-season in Germany,
... school-holidays normally start later (July/August), so June is still rahter
... low-season.
Did you miss the OP's post?
He says, and I quote, "I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season"."
That's "three times" the price - if you can read what I'm writing.
... As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
... the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you can
... have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
... You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
... predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
... snow in April.
...
... Regards,
...
... Frank
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... Am Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100 schrieb Magda:
...
... > You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
... > as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
...
... Not for a big city like Munich. It is more expensive when there are
... tradings fairs or the Oktoberfest, but in general there is no difference
... between April and June. June is *not* holiday-season in Germany,
... school-holidays normally start later (July/August), so June is still rahter
... low-season.
Did you miss the OP's post?
He says, and I quote, "I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season"."
That's "three times" the price - if you can read what I'm writing.
... As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
... the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you can
... have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
... You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
... predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
... snow in April.
...
... Regards,
...
... Frank
Feb 5th 2007, 12:06 am
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"Frank Hucklenbroich" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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> Am Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100 schrieb Magda:
>
>
> As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
> the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you
> can
> have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
> You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
> predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
> snow in April.
>
Margins are pretty much wider apart actually. For instance in Munich the
average for April is +7; average minimum +2; average maximum +12; lowest
ever -6; highest ever +26. I guess it is secure to assume that the last
value had been measured sometime close to the first of May and the lowest
value not many days after the first of April. I spent a few days in the
latter half of last August in Munich. It was rainy and temperature climbed
barely above +10.
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> Am Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100 schrieb Magda:
>
>
> As for the weather - April is normally a month where weather can change by
> the minute here in Germany (we call it typical "April-weather"), so you
> can
> have one moment nice sunshine and thunderstorm and rain the next moment.
> You won't have weeks of rain without end though. Temperatures are hard to
> predict, anything between +5 and +20 degrees C is possible. You won't have
> snow in April.
>
Margins are pretty much wider apart actually. For instance in Munich the
average for April is +7; average minimum +2; average maximum +12; lowest
ever -6; highest ever +26. I guess it is secure to assume that the last
value had been measured sometime close to the first of May and the lowest
value not many days after the first of April. I spent a few days in the
latter half of last August in Munich. It was rainy and temperature climbed
barely above +10.
Feb 5th 2007, 12:10 am
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Following up to Magda <[email protected]> :
>
>Did you miss the OP's post?
>
>He says, and I quote, "I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
>as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season"."
>
>That's "three times" the price - if you can read what I'm writing.
Flights from the US might well be.
But hotels /aren't/ typically much more expensive in June in Germany,
around early/mid July is the start of the high season. Can you read what
Frank was writing?
Told to avoid the "student season" - whatever that is.
I assume the school holiday period, which starts at the beginning of July
normally.
--
Tim C.
>
>Did you miss the OP's post?
>
>He says, and I quote, "I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
>as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season"."
>
>That's "three times" the price - if you can read what I'm writing.
Flights from the US might well be.
But hotels /aren't/ typically much more expensive in June in Germany,
around early/mid July is the start of the high season. Can you read what
Frank was writing?
Told to avoid the "student season" - whatever that is.
I assume the school holiday period, which starts at the beginning of July
normally.
--
Tim C.
Feb 5th 2007, 2:07 am
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"Erick T. Barkhuis" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Markku Grönroos:
>>
>> "Erick"
>> > Are you suggesting that every hotel and quality B&B in Western Europe
>> > is
>> > charging more in June than in April?
>> >
>> Yes. Only the rotten ones don't do so. Especially in Belgium.
>
> Aha. So, in order not to appear rotten, a hotel should increase rates
> during Summer months. It doesn't need to change anything in its offered
> quality...a double rate will do.
>
> I'm glad that several hotels and B&B's in our area have a better
> perception of the difference between 'nice' and 'rotten'.
>
> --
> Erick
>
In Sweden it's likely to find lower hotel rates over the summer, at least
from mid-June to mid August. Typically the weekend rate is extended over
the whole week.
Just because it's off-season for business visitors.
That's for cities like Stockholm. Tourist resorts may charge high season
prices.
Think most hotels nowadays have high and low season prices which in turn are
the results from demand and supply.
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> Markku Grönroos:
>>
>> "Erick"
>> > Are you suggesting that every hotel and quality B&B in Western Europe
>> > is
>> > charging more in June than in April?
>> >
>> Yes. Only the rotten ones don't do so. Especially in Belgium.
>
> Aha. So, in order not to appear rotten, a hotel should increase rates
> during Summer months. It doesn't need to change anything in its offered
> quality...a double rate will do.
>
> I'm glad that several hotels and B&B's in our area have a better
> perception of the difference between 'nice' and 'rotten'.
>
> --
> Erick
>
In Sweden it's likely to find lower hotel rates over the summer, at least
from mid-June to mid August. Typically the weekend rate is extended over
the whole week.
Just because it's off-season for business visitors.
That's for cities like Stockholm. Tourist resorts may charge high season
prices.
Think most hotels nowadays have high and low season prices which in turn are
the results from demand and supply.
Feb 5th 2007, 3:34 am
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:41:26 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:39:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Mike <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Is April 1st-8th typically too snowy/rainy/cold for the Munich and Rhine
> ... river area?
> ...
> ... Was planning my first European vacation for late May, but work schedules
> ... either means this needs to be done either first week of April or last week
> ... of June. I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
> ... as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season".
>
>You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
>as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
or a one-week minimum stay.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 03:39:23 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Mike <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... Is April 1st-8th typically too snowy/rainy/cold for the Munich and Rhine
> ... river area?
> ...
> ... Was planning my first European vacation for late May, but work schedules
> ... either means this needs to be done either first week of April or last week
> ... of June. I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
> ... as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season".
>
>You *should* avoid it. Not only the plane tickets, but every hotel (and maybe restaurant
>as well) will be costing the Earth by then, too.
I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
or a one-week minimum stay.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Feb 5th 2007, 3:44 am
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:34:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
...
... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
...
... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
... or a one-week minimum stay.
Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
...
... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
...
... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
... or a one-week minimum stay.
Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
Feb 5th 2007, 3:48 am
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On Feb 4, 10:39 pm, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is April 1st-8th typically too snowy/rainy/cold for the Munich and Rhine
> river area?
No way. The average in April in Munich is high 55, low 37, and 2.2
inches of rain, so I don't know where you got the idea that it's too
snowy/rainy/cold.
> Was planning my first European vacation for late May, but work schedules
> either means this needs to be done either first week of April or last week
> of June. I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
> as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season".
April or June are both fine, so if ticket price is an issue for you
then go in April.
> Am I better off going to someplace like Italy instead where the weather is
> milder?
I think Italy has a lot more to offer for one week on a first European
trip than Germany. Munich is nice, but it doesn't compare to Rome or
Venice. Something like two days Venice, train through Siena or
Florence, and four days Rome you would probably find much more
rewarding than Munich.
> Is April 1st-8th typically too snowy/rainy/cold for the Munich and Rhine
> river area?
No way. The average in April in Munich is high 55, low 37, and 2.2
inches of rain, so I don't know where you got the idea that it's too
snowy/rainy/cold.
> Was planning my first European vacation for late May, but work schedules
> either means this needs to be done either first week of April or last week
> of June. I know weather in June would be nicer, but plane tickets seem 3x
> as expensive and I'm told to avoid the "student season".
April or June are both fine, so if ticket price is an issue for you
then go in April.
> Am I better off going to someplace like Italy instead where the weather is
> milder?
I think Italy has a lot more to offer for one week on a first European
trip than Germany. Munich is nice, but it doesn't compare to Rome or
Venice. Something like two days Venice, train through Siena or
Florence, and four days Rome you would probably find much more
rewarding than Munich.
Feb 5th 2007, 3:50 am
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Following up to Magda <[email protected]> :
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:34:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
> ... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
> ... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
> ... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
> ...
> ... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
> ... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
> ...
> ... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
> ... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
> ... or a one-week minimum stay.
>
>Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
A travel brochure will have prices that reflect what the local market will
pay.
Go to the hotel and check the prices.
--
Tim C.
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:34:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
> ... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
> ... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
> ... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
> ...
> ... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
> ... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
> ...
> ... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
> ... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
> ... or a one-week minimum stay.
>
>Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
A travel brochure will have prices that reflect what the local market will
pay.
Go to the hotel and check the prices.
--
Tim C.
Feb 5th 2007, 3:51 am
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:44:59 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:34:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
> ... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
> ... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
> ... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
> ...
> ... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
> ... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
> ...
> ... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
> ... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
> ... or a one-week minimum stay.
>
>Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
Paid the same price all the year round in hotels I used in Rome and Northern
Italy.
--
Martin
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:34:01 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>
> ... I would guess that fewer than half the hotels in Rome charge more in
> ... high season than at other times. In Florence, even fewer. (You could
> ... argue that Florence has no low season.) In Rome, July and August are
> ... considered low season, for those hotels with variable rates.
> ...
> ... For what it's worth, I just returned to a hotel in Rome where I had
> ... spent a few days last August. The price was exactly the same.
> ...
> ... In mountain or seaside vacation areas in Italy, there are sometimes
> ... other restrictions in high season, such as a half-board requirement,
> ... or a one-week minimum stay.
>
>Pick a travel brochure and check the room prices.
Paid the same price all the year round in hotels I used in Rome and Northern
Italy.
--
Martin
Feb 5th 2007, 4:25 am
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>
> It would help if you told us your age, interests and where you are from. We are not mind
> readers, I hope you know.
29 and 30 years old. From the United States. In general we like
exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
> It would help if you told us your age, interests and where you are from. We are not mind
> readers, I hope you know.
29 and 30 years old. From the United States. In general we like
exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
Feb 5th 2007, 4:38 am
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Mike:
> In general we like
> exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
> atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
I believe - in contrast to others in this thread who suggest you should
visit Italy - that Germany _is_ something for you. However, perhaps the
big cities wouldn't be as unique as the slightly smaller ones with heaps
of atmosphere.
I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
--
Erick
> In general we like
> exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
> atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
I believe - in contrast to others in this thread who suggest you should
visit Italy - that Germany _is_ something for you. However, perhaps the
big cities wouldn't be as unique as the slightly smaller ones with heaps
of atmosphere.
I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
--
Erick
Feb 5th 2007, 4:41 am
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:38:24 +0100, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike:
>
>> In general we like
>> exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
>> atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
>
>I believe - in contrast to others in this thread who suggest you should
>visit Italy - that Germany _is_ something for you. However, perhaps the
>big cities wouldn't be as unique as the slightly smaller ones with heaps
>of atmosphere.
>
>I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
>Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
>Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich and
the surrounding area.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike:
>
>> In general we like
>> exploring. Not big on fancy expensive restaurants. I love the
>> atmosphere of unique cities. I'm also big into photography.
>
>I believe - in contrast to others in this thread who suggest you should
>visit Italy - that Germany _is_ something for you. However, perhaps the
>big cities wouldn't be as unique as the slightly smaller ones with heaps
>of atmosphere.
>
>I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
>Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
>Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich and
the surrounding area.
--
Martin
Feb 5th 2007, 4:44 am
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Martin:
> Erick :
> >I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
> >Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
> >Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
>
> I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich
> and the surrounding area.
Enough? Oh sure.
There'd be enough in Hamburg or Mannheim as well.
But what makes Munich so "unique" and why would Munich be especially
interesting for a photographer?
--
Erick
"When all else fails, follow the instructions."
> Erick :
> >I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
> >Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
> >Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
>
> I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich
> and the surrounding area.
Enough? Oh sure.
There'd be enough in Hamburg or Mannheim as well.
But what makes Munich so "unique" and why would Munich be especially
interesting for a photographer?
--
Erick
"When all else fails, follow the instructions."
Feb 5th 2007, 4:48 am
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:44:13 +0100, Erick T. Barkhuis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin:
>> Erick :
>> >I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
>> >Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
>> >Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
>>
>> I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich
>> and the surrounding area.
>
>Enough? Oh sure.
>There'd be enough in Hamburg or Mannheim as well.
>But what makes Munich so "unique" and why would Munich be especially
>interesting for a photographer?
It's nothing like either. The surrounding area includes Ludwig's castles.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Martin:
>> Erick :
>> >I would suggest smaller cities and towns like M�nster, Aachen and Trier.
>> >Yes, in April for more photographicly interesting scenes.
>> >Want something bigger, then Dresden would be something.
>>
>> I'd go to Munich. There's more than enough to keep him occupied in Munich
>> and the surrounding area.
>
>Enough? Oh sure.
>There'd be enough in Hamburg or Mannheim as well.
>But what makes Munich so "unique" and why would Munich be especially
>interesting for a photographer?
It's nothing like either. The surrounding area includes Ludwig's castles.
--
Martin
