French Toilet (INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO USE)
May 12th 2003, 6:03 pm
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Re: French Toilet (INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO USE)
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> One thing not mentioned: the squat toilets
> are actually quite hygienic. No matter what
> the "hole" looks like, your ass never comes
> into contact with a toilet seat because there
> isn't a toilet seat.
I mentioned it, but I guess nobody noticed.
The main problem with these toilets, as I see it, is that they require
squatting in a way that puts a lot of stress on the knees, and for people
who aren't in sufficiently good shape, this can be a serious problem.
Having a seat relieves the mechanical stress on the knees.
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> One thing not mentioned: the squat toilets
> are actually quite hygienic. No matter what
> the "hole" looks like, your ass never comes
> into contact with a toilet seat because there
> isn't a toilet seat.
I mentioned it, but I guess nobody noticed.
The main problem with these toilets, as I see it, is that they require
squatting in a way that puts a lot of stress on the knees, and for people
who aren't in sufficiently good shape, this can be a serious problem.
Having a seat relieves the mechanical stress on the knees.
May 12th 2003, 7:55 pm
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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> "gatsby" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> > Why do we, in the USA, make in so difficult to
> > relieve ourselves. There are virtually no public
> > facilities in our cities.
> I've wondered the same thing.
> I do know that, in some cases, special-interest groups have blocked public
> facilities. For example, the city of New York wanted to install
Sanisettes
> (the self-cleaning street toilets popular in Paris), and a test
installation
> of a number of Sanisettes showed them to be an enormous success. However,
> the wheelchair lobby in NYC pointed to a very bizarre law requiring
> absolutely equal access for all disabled people (which in practice seems
to
> mean only people in wheelchairs, since that's the group that constantly
> insists on expenditures), and insisted that all Sanisettes be wheelchair
> friendly. This required much larger Sanisettes, with no time limit on
> usage, and that encouraged drug dealers to use them as meeting places.
> Additionally, NYC ended up having to provide a human _attendant_ at each
> Sanisette just in case a wheelchair-bound person wanted to use it.
> Essentially, the wheelchair lobby made it so difficult and expensive to
> install Sanisettes that the project was abandoned.
I remember seeing a news story on that, I think on "60 Minutes", and
thinking how unfair that was. Just because you can't do something doesn't
mean other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant woman going to
clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
> Sanisettes can be unpleasant if they are not being maintained. When
> maintained, they are squeaky clean.
Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
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> "gatsby" a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]...
> > Why do we, in the USA, make in so difficult to
> > relieve ourselves. There are virtually no public
> > facilities in our cities.
> I've wondered the same thing.
> I do know that, in some cases, special-interest groups have blocked public
> facilities. For example, the city of New York wanted to install
Sanisettes
> (the self-cleaning street toilets popular in Paris), and a test
installation
> of a number of Sanisettes showed them to be an enormous success. However,
> the wheelchair lobby in NYC pointed to a very bizarre law requiring
> absolutely equal access for all disabled people (which in practice seems
to
> mean only people in wheelchairs, since that's the group that constantly
> insists on expenditures), and insisted that all Sanisettes be wheelchair
> friendly. This required much larger Sanisettes, with no time limit on
> usage, and that encouraged drug dealers to use them as meeting places.
> Additionally, NYC ended up having to provide a human _attendant_ at each
> Sanisette just in case a wheelchair-bound person wanted to use it.
> Essentially, the wheelchair lobby made it so difficult and expensive to
> install Sanisettes that the project was abandoned.
I remember seeing a news story on that, I think on "60 Minutes", and
thinking how unfair that was. Just because you can't do something doesn't
mean other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant woman going to
clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
> Sanisettes can be unpleasant if they are not being maintained. When
> maintained, they are squeaky clean.
Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
May 12th 2003, 8:07 pm
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Re: Public Toilets [was Re: French Toilet (INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO USE)]
>> Sanisettes can be unpleasant if they are not being maintained. When
>> maintained, they are squeaky clean.
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
...er yes, until they break down because they're not being *maintained*
properly.
It's not magic, it's mechanics.
Tim.
>> maintained, they are squeaky clean.
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
...er yes, until they break down because they're not being *maintained*
properly.
It's not magic, it's mechanics.
Tim.
May 13th 2003, 1:49 am
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Re: Public Toilets [was Re: French Toilet (INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO USE)]
"James Anatidae" a écrit dans le message de
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> I remember seeing a news story on that, I think
> on "60 Minutes", and thinking how unfair that was.
> Just because you can't do something doesn't mean
> other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant
> woman going to clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
Pregnant women don't have the powerful SIGs and PACs that people in
wheelchairs have. Almost all money spent to assist the disabled is in fact
spent to assist people in wheelchairs, with most other disabled people being
largely ignored.
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
They do, but if they are vandalized or in need of maintenance, they aren't
always clean on the inside. For example, there might be papers on the
floor, or the toilet-paper dispenser might be empty, or the faucet that
provides soap and water for washing your hands might not be functioning
correctly, and so on. JC Decaux does not appear to bend over backwards to
keep them in working order. In the past, up to four out of five of them
were out of order in some areas, although I note that most of them work
better these days. Perhaps the current mayor of Paris has pressured the
contractor to do better maintenance.
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> I remember seeing a news story on that, I think
> on "60 Minutes", and thinking how unfair that was.
> Just because you can't do something doesn't mean
> other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant
> woman going to clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
Pregnant women don't have the powerful SIGs and PACs that people in
wheelchairs have. Almost all money spent to assist the disabled is in fact
spent to assist people in wheelchairs, with most other disabled people being
largely ignored.
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
They do, but if they are vandalized or in need of maintenance, they aren't
always clean on the inside. For example, there might be papers on the
floor, or the toilet-paper dispenser might be empty, or the faucet that
provides soap and water for washing your hands might not be functioning
correctly, and so on. JC Decaux does not appear to bend over backwards to
keep them in working order. In the past, up to four out of five of them
were out of order in some areas, although I note that most of them work
better these days. Perhaps the current mayor of Paris has pressured the
contractor to do better maintenance.
May 13th 2003, 2:28 am
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"anonymous" wrote in message
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> One thing not mentioned: the squat toilets are actually quite hygienic. No
> matter what the "hole" looks like, your ass never comes into contact with
a
> toilet seat because there isn't a toilet seat.
> These toilets also exist in some areas of Taiwan (although same principle,
> they are slightly different in style).
I visited the ladies' room in a very upscale department store in Tokyo where
the stalls were labeled "Japanese" and "Western." The "Japanese" facilities
were the squat type. Same thing on the bullet trains in the first class
green cars. I suppose there are people who actually prefer them. (Getting
a little OT here, I know.)
GG
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> One thing not mentioned: the squat toilets are actually quite hygienic. No
> matter what the "hole" looks like, your ass never comes into contact with
a
> toilet seat because there isn't a toilet seat.
> These toilets also exist in some areas of Taiwan (although same principle,
> they are slightly different in style).
I visited the ladies' room in a very upscale department store in Tokyo where
the stalls were labeled "Japanese" and "Western." The "Japanese" facilities
were the squat type. Same thing on the bullet trains in the first class
green cars. I suppose there are people who actually prefer them. (Getting
a little OT here, I know.)
GG
May 13th 2003, 5:00 am
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In article , [email protected]
(Mxsmanic) wrote:
> JC Decaux does not appear to bend over backwards
> to
> keep them in working order.
In Britain (where some, if not all, are Decaux-run) I find they are more
often out of order than in order.
(Mxsmanic) wrote:
> JC Decaux does not appear to bend over backwards
> to
> keep them in working order.
In Britain (where some, if not all, are Decaux-run) I find they are more
often out of order than in order.
May 13th 2003, 5:48 am
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James Anatidae wrote:
>
>>Sanisettes can be unpleasant if they are not being maintained. When
>>maintained, they are squeaky clean.
>
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
>
They don't stock themselves of paper and cleaning soap (or whatever it
uses) automatically.
The last time I went one in San Jose, there was no paper.
>
>>Sanisettes can be unpleasant if they are not being maintained. When
>>maintained, they are squeaky clean.
>
> Don't they clean themselves automaticly?
>
They don't stock themselves of paper and cleaning soap (or whatever it
uses) automatically.
The last time I went one in San Jose, there was no paper.
May 13th 2003, 5:59 am
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On Sun, 11 May 2003 22:47:42 GMT, "Adrian Rothery" wrote:
>Presumably you visit maximum security prisons but don't stop at autoroute
>rest areas on the way.
There's more than one rest area in France, you know.
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Ask me for directions.
>Presumably you visit maximum security prisons but don't stop at autoroute
>rest areas on the way.
There's more than one rest area in France, you know.
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Ask me for directions.
May 13th 2003, 9:25 am
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On Mon, 12 May 2003 21:22:22 GMT, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>> You were amazed that the rest of the world chooses not to crap in the
>> same way that you do?
>Since France is certainly a modern country, and (according to other
>posters here) one apparently does not often find these antiquated
>contraptions ANYWHERE anymore, you can hardly be surprised that someone
>(who lives in France, BTW) would be amazed that a brand new facility
>would include them! (But I guess trolls come in all nationalities.
>)
doesnt change the fact that Parisians prefer not to use a toilet ,old
or new and urinate and dump a load on the street .
Perhaps you can explain that.
Paris stinks of urine in the morning.
always has done ever since i can remember
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>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>> You were amazed that the rest of the world chooses not to crap in the
>> same way that you do?
>Since France is certainly a modern country, and (according to other
>posters here) one apparently does not often find these antiquated
>contraptions ANYWHERE anymore, you can hardly be surprised that someone
>(who lives in France, BTW) would be amazed that a brand new facility
>would include them! (But I guess trolls come in all nationalities.
>)
doesnt change the fact that Parisians prefer not to use a toilet ,old
or new and urinate and dump a load on the street .
Perhaps you can explain that.
Paris stinks of urine in the morning.
always has done ever since i can remember
May 13th 2003, 4:47 pm
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On Tue, 13 May 2003 22:25:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, eddy arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... doesnt change the fact that Parisians prefer not to use a toilet ,old
... or new and urinate and dump a load on the street .
... Perhaps you can explain that.
... Paris stinks of urine in the morning.
... always has done ever since i can remember
There is no use arguing with a "mind" full of excrement like yours, is there ?
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"Wealth I ask not, hope nor love, nor a friend to know me;
All I ask, the heaven above and the road below me."
Robert Louis Stevenson
some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... doesnt change the fact that Parisians prefer not to use a toilet ,old
... or new and urinate and dump a load on the street .
... Perhaps you can explain that.
... Paris stinks of urine in the morning.
... always has done ever since i can remember
There is no use arguing with a "mind" full of excrement like yours, is there ?
=====
"Wealth I ask not, hope nor love, nor a friend to know me;
All I ask, the heaven above and the road below me."
Robert Louis Stevenson
May 13th 2003, 11:57 pm
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On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:49:19 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"James Anatidae" a écrit dans le message de
>news: [email protected]...
>> I remember seeing a news story on that, I think
>> on "60 Minutes", and thinking how unfair that was.
>> Just because you can't do something doesn't mean
>> other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant
>> woman going to clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
>Pregnant women don't have the powerful SIGs and PACs that people in
>wheelchairs have. Almost all money spent to assist the disabled is in fact
>spent to assist people in wheelchairs, with most other disabled people being
>largely ignored.
Really? You can back this up better than one of those toilets, right?
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>"James Anatidae" a écrit dans le message de
>news: [email protected]...
>> I remember seeing a news story on that, I think
>> on "60 Minutes", and thinking how unfair that was.
>> Just because you can't do something doesn't mean
>> other people shouldn't be able to. Are pregnant
>> woman going to clamoring to be let on roller coasters?
>Pregnant women don't have the powerful SIGs and PACs that people in
>wheelchairs have. Almost all money spent to assist the disabled is in fact
>spent to assist people in wheelchairs, with most other disabled people being
>largely ignored.
Really? You can back this up better than one of those toilets, right?
May 13th 2003, 11:59 pm
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"Jesper Lauridsen" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 May 2003 22:47:42 GMT, "Adrian Rothery"
wrote:
> >Presumably you visit maximum security prisons but don't stop at autoroute
> >rest areas on the way.
> There's more than one rest area in France, you know.
Exactly, and having stopped at dozens of them can confirm that these toilets
are quite common.
My comment refers to someone that has not seen any of these.
In my view these toilets are far more hygienic, less prone to vandalism and
presumably a little cheaper. If they are in a bad state of care then that is
no reflection on the type of toilet, only on the users and this goes for the
more 'normal' type as well.
Toilets that are smelly, dirty and un-maintained can be found in all
countries of the world, not just France.
I look forward to our next twice yearly driving trip through the length of
France with the usual eagerness.
Adrian.
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> On Sun, 11 May 2003 22:47:42 GMT, "Adrian Rothery"
wrote:
> >Presumably you visit maximum security prisons but don't stop at autoroute
> >rest areas on the way.
> There's more than one rest area in France, you know.
Exactly, and having stopped at dozens of them can confirm that these toilets
are quite common.
My comment refers to someone that has not seen any of these.
In my view these toilets are far more hygienic, less prone to vandalism and
presumably a little cheaper. If they are in a bad state of care then that is
no reflection on the type of toilet, only on the users and this goes for the
more 'normal' type as well.
Toilets that are smelly, dirty and un-maintained can be found in all
countries of the world, not just France.
I look forward to our next twice yearly driving trip through the length of
France with the usual eagerness.
Adrian.
May 14th 2003, 1:07 am
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> You can back this up better than one of those
> toilets, right?
All one need do is look around. The vast majority of money spent on the
"disabled" in the U.S. is in fact spent on people in wheelchairs, who
apparently cry a lot more about their hardships than any other group. Count
the number of special wheelchair accesses you see around you (each of which
probably costs at least a few thousand dollars), and compare that to the
number of crosswalks you see equipped for blind pedestrians, or the number
of buses you see with visual indications of door closure or stops for deaf
riders.
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> You can back this up better than one of those
> toilets, right?
All one need do is look around. The vast majority of money spent on the
"disabled" in the U.S. is in fact spent on people in wheelchairs, who
apparently cry a lot more about their hardships than any other group. Count
the number of special wheelchair accesses you see around you (each of which
probably costs at least a few thousand dollars), and compare that to the
number of crosswalks you see equipped for blind pedestrians, or the number
of buses you see with visual indications of door closure or stops for deaf
riders.
May 14th 2003, 5:22 am
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On Wed, 14 May 2003 15:07:19 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"scott" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> You can back this up better than one of those
>> toilets, right?
>All one need do is look around. The vast majority of money spent on the
>"disabled" in the U.S. is in fact spent on people in wheelchairs, who
>apparently cry a lot more about their hardships than any other group. Count
>the number of special wheelchair accesses you see around you (each of which
>probably costs at least a few thousand dollars), and compare that to the
>number of crosswalks you see equipped for blind pedestrians, or the number
>of buses you see with visual indications of door closure or stops for deaf
>riders.
So any successes in accomodating wheelchair bound citizens come at the
expense of folks with other hardships?
Richard Thurston
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>"scott" a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> You can back this up better than one of those
>> toilets, right?
>All one need do is look around. The vast majority of money spent on the
>"disabled" in the U.S. is in fact spent on people in wheelchairs, who
>apparently cry a lot more about their hardships than any other group. Count
>the number of special wheelchair accesses you see around you (each of which
>probably costs at least a few thousand dollars), and compare that to the
>number of crosswalks you see equipped for blind pedestrians, or the number
>of buses you see with visual indications of door closure or stops for deaf
>riders.
So any successes in accomodating wheelchair bound citizens come at the
expense of folks with other hardships?
Richard Thurston
May 14th 2003, 8:37 am
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Re: Public Toilets [was Re: French Toilet (INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO USE)]
"Richard Thurston" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> So any successes in accomodating wheelchair
> bound citizens come at the expense of folks
> with other hardships?
Correct. And since wheelchair-bound persons consume the lion's share of
funding for disabled accommodations, there is very little left for anyone
else.
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> So any successes in accomodating wheelchair
> bound citizens come at the expense of folks
> with other hardships?
Correct. And since wheelchair-bound persons consume the lion's share of
funding for disabled accommodations, there is very little left for anyone
else.
