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French smoking ban goes into effect today

French smoking ban goes into effect today

Old Feb 2nd 2007, 9:41 am
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-Dave Smith
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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
>
>
> Typical attitude of a hardcore smoker. I bet you don't even think your
> smoke really bothers anyone, but they are just whining coz they have
> nothing better to do.
>
Oh hell, there are enough smokers doing damage to themselves with their
habit why not just let them have places where they can smoke and people who
don't like the smoke can go elsewhere. Some non smokers need to get a
life.


When I was on vacation last year I was talking to a guy outside of the
dining room where he was having a smoke. I don't smoke. His smoke didn't
bother me. Some old bag came out, parked herself behind him and downwind,
and then came over and got on his case about smoking and how his smoke was
bothering her. He politely moved about 50 feet from there. We resumed our
conversation at the new venue. Who moves over and stands a few feet down
wind.... Smokey the Bitch.

On another occasion I was in a restaurant with my host and hostess (she is
an old friend). Someone in smoking section at the far end of the restaurant
lit up. The only reason I knew was that my friend's gentleman friend
started to have a hissy fit. I couldn't smell anything. The only thing
annoying me was his whining about the smoke.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 9:44 am
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Gwb
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:36:51 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Typical attitude of a hardcore smoker. I bet you don't even think your
>smoke really bothers anyone, but they are just whining coz they have
>nothing better to do.

No, you crossposting twit, I HOPE my smoke bothers you.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 9:54 am
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In article <ko84s2t8bc27g17c51uq4rlh7i5es15ts2@news>,
[email protected] says...
> Smoking Ban Goes Into Effect in France
> Thursday February 1
>
> Smoking Ban Goes Into Effect in France, to the Chagrin of Many of
> Country's Smokers
>
> PARIS (AP) -- A ban on smoking in public spaces went into effect
> Thursday in France, prompting exasperation among many of the country's
> estimated 15 million smokers.
>
> The ban prohibits lighting up in workplaces, schools, airports,
> hospitals and other "closed and covered" public places. Bars, cafes
> and restaurants are exempt for the moment, but are also to go
> smoke-free next year.
>
> Many in France fear the ban may alter the way of life in a country
> known for its smoke-filled cafes, and some French smokers have decried
> it as attack on their personal freedoms.
>
> Barbara Laru, a saleswoman at a shop in Paris' mammoth Saint Lazare
> train station, called the ban "ridiculous."
>
> Laru -- who risked a 68 euros ($88) fine from one of the ban's 175,000
> enforcement agents by lighting up -- explained she had no choice but
> to break the law because leaving the station for a smoke took too
> long.


And it sounds like she also feels that she has "no choice" but to
smoke?

That's a big problem with interacting with smokers. They don't
feel that they are in control of their own behaviour or lives.
They know that they are slaves. And they resent those of us who
aren't.


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Old Feb 2nd 2007, 10:17 am
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Deeply Filled Mortician
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Let is be knownst that on Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:44:43 -0600, GWB
<[email protected]> writted:

>On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:36:51 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>Typical attitude of a hardcore smoker. I bet you don't even think your
>>smoke really bothers anyone, but they are just whining coz they have
>>nothing better to do.
>
>No, you crossposting twit, I HOPE my smoke bothers you.

Oh look, it's the smokers' brigade come out to wheeze and splutter
their viewpoint. Enjoy your stinking, expensive, impotence inducing
drug. Try to look wise while you're doing it.

BTW, I never initiated this thread, and you too are contributing to
it.
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Old Feb 2nd 2007, 10:31 am
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bearclaw
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In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I was on vacation last year I was talking to a guy outside of the
> dining room where he was having a smoke. I don't smoke. His smoke didn't
> bother me. Some old bag came out, parked herself behind him and downwind,
> and then came over and got on his case about smoking and how his smoke was
> bothering her. He politely moved about 50 feet from there. We resumed our
> conversation at the new venue. Who moves over and stands a few feet down
> wind.... Smokey the Bitch.

Shoulda mugged her and spent her money on a carton or two. Or grab her
dog and throw it into traffic. Bitch.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 10:33 am
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bearclaw
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In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> On another occasion I was in a restaurant with my host and hostess (she is
> an old friend). Someone in smoking section at the far end of the restaurant
> lit up. The only reason I knew was that my friend's gentleman friend
> started to have a hissy fit. I couldn't smell anything. The only thing
> annoying me was his whining about the smoke.

Hey, that's what smoking sections are for. To keep the non-smokers from
the smoke. They work, too, even when at the borders. I think they use
force fields. Buncha whiney healthy people. When you got your health,
you've got whiners.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 10:38 am
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"Mark Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article [email protected] says...
>> It's not the same, and you know it. You drinking next to
>> me in a club
>> doesn't affect me.
>
> It does when you get in your car to drive home.
>

Or when you start a bar fight.

Alcohol causes *massive* economic damage due to absenteeism
and disease. It impairs mental and motor function -- unlike
tobacco. Ever hear of a husband beating his wife to a pulp
because he had a cigarette?
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:02 am
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-Brian
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:55:09 -0600, Mark Anderson
<[email protected]> wrote:


>It does when you get in your car to drive home.
>

Isn't drunk driving a crime?
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:03 am
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-Brian
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:44:43 -0600, GWB <[email protected]> wrote:


>No, you crossposting twit, I HOPE my smoke bothers you.

Just the attitude that made these laws necessary.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:03 am
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-Dave Smith
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[email protected] wrote:
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> Hey, that's what smoking sections are for. To keep the non-smokers from
> the smoke. They work, too, even when at the borders. I think they use
> force fields. Buncha whiney healthy people. When you got your health,
> you've got whiners.

I have to confess to not being a lifetime non smoker. I have been a smoker
in the past. I quit. I confess to having in the past developed a terrible
anti smoking attitude in order to maintain an aversion to tobacco to
prevent me from slipping back into an dirty, expensive and unhealthy habit.
I have no problem admitting that in the past I have avoided certain bars
and coffee shops because they were too smoky, or maybe I should say them
stunk too much of tobacco. That was my choice. I realize that a lot of
people who patronize bars and coffee shops also smoke. I have no problem
with the owners catering to the smokers.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I preferred it when people could
smoke inside. Now that we have an indoor smoking ban here the smokers
congregate outside and power smoke, so you catch the reek of power smoked
tobacco going in and out. It stunk less when they had their own area
inside.

There is an incredible irony in banning smoking in bars. The alcohol is
responsible for a lot more illness and other problems than tobacco. So now
we let them spend all their money on booze, fritter their time away
drinking, destroy their livers, get fat lazy and obnoxious, but for
heaven's sake don't let them smoke.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:17 am
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-Dave Smith
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Brian wrote:
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> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:55:09 -0600, Mark Anderson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It does when you get in your car to drive home.
> >
>
> Isn't drunk driving a crime?

It isn't enough for some that impaired driving is a crime. They have come
out with arbitrary blood alcohol levels in order to facilitate enforcement.
I say arbitrary because it varies from one jurisdiction to another. Some of
use cant drink considerable amounts of alcohol and still drive better than
our grandmothers can do at the best of time. The sat fact is that a person
can stop at a local pub on the way home from work and have a few drinks and
then proceed home, and then some geriatric driver with thick lenses and
hearing aids runs into him after running a red light he doesn't see, and it
is another alcohol related accident and the driver who had a few drinks
gets blamed even though he was driving properly.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:24 am
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:37:50 -0500, Marc Schneiderman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:36:56 +0000, Au revoir les fumeurs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>With the ban, France joins the ranks of Italy, Spain, Belgium, Britain
>>and Ireland, which already have enacted broad anti-smoking laws.
>
>
>A fight we have so sorely lost to junk science and pleasure nazi
>destruction.
>CigarBaron


We'll accept the win... however you care to spin it.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 11:36 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have to confess to not being a lifetime non smoker.

Dave, I don't think that rises to confession status.

I am intimately acquainted with recovering alcoholics, drug abusers and
smokers. Although it is not something they typically care to discuss
outside their circle, they usually carry themselves with a sense of
quiet pride at having conquered their servitude to whatever substance.

OTOH, I know people who can smoke, drink and use drugs without so much
as a HINT of addiction. I wish I was like that.

<snip interesting views>

> for heaven's sake don't let them smoke.

Slightly more limited: just keep them from smoking in places where it
might tend to damage or assault others who don't indulge.

It actually isn't that much different from banning foul language in
church, and does about as much harm.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 12:02 pm
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"Mark Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] .net...
> In article [email protected] says...
>> It's not the same, and you know it. You drinking next to me in a club
>> doesn't affect me.
>
> It does when you get in your car to drive home.
>

Not the same--and you know it. I've never heard of a bartender who didn't
drink getting cirrhosis from second hand alcohol, either. Want to smoke? Go
outside.
 
Old Feb 2nd 2007, 12:03 pm
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"Alex W." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mark Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] .net...
>> In article [email protected] says...
>>> It's not the same, and you know it. You drinking next to me in a club
>>> doesn't affect me.
>>
>> It does when you get in your car to drive home.
>>
>
> Or when you start a bar fight.
>
> Alcohol causes *massive* economic damage due to absenteeism and disease.
> It impairs mental and motor function -- unlike tobacco. Ever hear of a
> husband beating his wife to a pulp because he had a cigarette?

Not the same. Why should I have to go home reeking of cigarette smoke simply
because I wanted to go out to a club? Want to smoke? Go outside.
 

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