Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    > constitution? I'm "non" too. I think I have all the US right
    > wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil.

Liar!!! :)

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Bill Moore

In article <[email protected]>,
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Following up to Earl Evleth
    >>JBK posted 11 just before your posting. Shall we take a vote?
    >>My vote: "non"
    >I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    >constitution? I'm "non" too.

Yep. Personally I like the idea of the EU though am not familiar
enough with the specifics of this constitution to comment.

    >I think I have all the US right
    >wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil. They
    >have certainly rather than education and eventually get angry if

You mean "certainty", right? What's truly certain is that the right-wing
loonie types who "know for sure" like JBK will call everyone who disagrees
with them left-wingers, while left-wing loonie types (we have them on this
NG too) who "know for sure" will call everyone who disagrees with them
fascists.

    >challenged.
    >--
    >Mike Reid
    >Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you
    >can email us@ this site
    >Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Bill Moore
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Following up to Earl Evleth
    > >
    > >>JBK posted 11 just before your posting. Shall we take a vote?
    > >
    > >>My vote: "non"
    > >
    > >I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    > >constitution? I'm "non" too.
    >
    > Yep. Personally I like the idea of the EU though am not familiar
    > enough with the specifics of this constitution to comment.
    >
    > >I think I have all the US right
    > >wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil. They
    > >have certainly rather than education and eventually get angry if
    >
    > You mean "certainty", right? What's truly certain is that the right-wing
    > loonie types who "know for sure" like JBK will call everyone who disagrees
    > with them left-wingers, while left-wing loonie types (we have them on this
    > NG too) who "know for sure" will call everyone who disagrees with them
    > fascists.

But the "right wing' types don't call for the organized silencing of
CNN, NPR,BBC or people in this NG... something that is tops on their
agenda.... "Haven't you kill filed him yet" ?

It is pathetic....


jay
Mon Jun 06, 2005
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    >
    > >challenged.
    > >--
    > >Mike Reid
    > >Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you
    > >can email us@ this site
    > >Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
    >

Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > But the "right wing' types don't call for the organized silencing of
    > CNN, NPR,BBC or people in this NG... something that is tops on their
    > agenda....

Blethering rubbish again, Figgy!

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Bill Moore

In article <060620051702296626%[email protected]>, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >In article <[email protected]>, Bill Moore
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >Following up to Earl Evleth
    >> >
    >> >>JBK posted 11 just before your posting. Shall we take a vote?
    >> >
    >> >>My vote: "non"
    >> >
    >> >I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    >> >constitution? I'm "non" too.
    >>
    >> Yep. Personally I like the idea of the EU though am not familiar
    >> enough with the specifics of this constitution to comment.
    >>
    >> >I think I have all the US right
    >> >wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil. They
    >> >have certainly rather than education and eventually get angry if
    >>
    >> You mean "certainty", right? What's truly certain is that the right-wing
    >> loonie types who "know for sure" like JBK will call everyone who disagrees
    >> with them left-wingers, while left-wing loonie types (we have them on this
    >> NG too) who "know for sure" will call everyone who disagrees with them
    >> fascists.
    >But the "right wing' types don't call for the organized silencing of
    >CNN, NPR,BBC or people in this NG... something that is tops on their
    >agenda.... "Haven't you kill filed him yet" ?

Well, I can't say I agree with you there - I don't see where the left
is trying to silence the media. And despite the Bush=Hitler claims, I
don't think anyone on the right is, either. At least not systematically.
But I do think it's pathetic to chime in on many threads merely to put
shit on someone's doorstep and run away, as some do here often.

    >It is pathetic....
    >jay
    >Mon Jun 06, 2005
    >mailto:[email protected]
    >
    >>
    >> >challenged.
    >> >--
    >> >Mike Reid
    >> >Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you
    >> >can email us@ this site
    >> >Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's
    >a spamtrap
    >>

Emilia

Martin wrote:
    > On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:38:43 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Yeah, we have ridden the business into the ground alright, having our
    >>best year ever. HAHAHAHA! This is as close to the truth as the
    >>loonie left, which, of course, knows nothing at all about business or,
    >>for that matter, much about anything else they prattle on about.
    >>Their speciality is making up lies that they endlessly repeat hoping
    >>that if they repeat them enough, Goebbels clones that they are, they
    >>will eventually be true. NOT. Just hypocritical liars that love each
    >>others lies.
    >
    >
    > Goebbels was from the loony left? No wonder they lost the war.

Interesting! I didn't know Goebbels was from the loonie left!
Amazing how this loonie righter makes up his own history to suit his own
purposes!

Emilia

Go Fig wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Bill Moore
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Following up to Earl Evleth
    >>>>JBK posted 11 just before your posting. Shall we take a vote?
    >>>>My vote: "non"
    >>>I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    >>>constitution? I'm "non" too.
    >>Yep. Personally I like the idea of the EU though am not familiar
    >>enough with the specifics of this constitution to comment.
    >>>I think I have all the US right
    >>>wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil. They
    >>>have certainly rather than education and eventually get angry if
    >>You mean "certainty", right? What's truly certain is that the right-wing
    >>loonie types who "know for sure" like JBK will call everyone who disagrees
    >>with them left-wingers, while left-wing loonie types (we have them on this
    >>NG too) who "know for sure" will call everyone who disagrees with them
    >>fascists.
    >
    >
    > But the "right wing' types don't call for the organized silencing of
    > CNN, NPR,BBC or people in this NG... something that is tops on their
    > agenda.... "Haven't you kill filed him yet" ?
    >
    > It is pathetic....
    >

Not exactly the same thing. More like changing the channel.

Earl Evleth

On 7/06/05 9:21, in article [email protected], "emilia"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Goebbels was from the loony left? No wonder they lost the war.
    >
    > Interesting! I didn't know Goebbels was from the loonie left!
    > Amazing how this loonie righter makes up his own history to suit his own
    > purposes!

The right-left terminology became useless with the arrival of National
Socialism. National Socialism is a pathological product of socialism itself
and was anti-Capitalist. So were the Nazis left or right? Neither, they
were totalitarian like the Communists. On the other hand certain
regimes of the 1930s-40s were authoritarian conservative (the right), like
Petain's and Franco's governments which did also play footsy with French
and Spanish fascists. Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots.

It should be always remembered that for Europe and the United States,
Capitalism appeared to many be failing in the 1930s. And beware,
history does appear to repeat itself now and then.

Earl

Earl Evleth

On 7/06/05 9:23, in article [email protected], "emilia"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Not exactly the same thing. More like changing the channel.

Like from Fox Channel to PBS?

Emilia

Earl Evleth wrote:
    > On 7/06/05 9:21, in article [email protected], "emilia"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>>Goebbels was from the loony left? No wonder they lost the war.
    >>Interesting! I didn't know Goebbels was from the loonie left!
    >>Amazing how this loonie righter makes up his own history to suit his own
    >>purposes!
    >
    >
    > The right-left terminology became useless with the arrival of National
    > Socialism. National Socialism is a pathological product of socialism itself
    > and was anti-Capitalist. So were the Nazis left or right? Neither, they
    > were totalitarian like the Communists. On the other hand certain
    > regimes of the 1930s-40s were authoritarian conservative (the right), like
    > Petain's and Franco's governments which did also play footsy with French
    > and Spanish fascists. Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
    > conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
    > prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots.
    >
    > It should be always remembered that for Europe and the United States,
    > Capitalism appeared to many be failing in the 1930s. And beware,
    > history does appear to repeat itself now and then.
    >
    > Earl
    >
    >

Interesting. Thanks for that.

Martin

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:39:37 +0200, emilia <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Earl Evleth wrote:
    >> On 7/06/05 9:21, in article [email protected], "emilia"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>Goebbels was from the loony left? No wonder they lost the war.
    >>>Interesting! I didn't know Goebbels was from the loonie left!
    >>>Amazing how this loonie righter makes up his own history to suit his own
    >>>purposes!
    >>
    >>
    >> The right-left terminology became useless with the arrival of National
    >> Socialism. National Socialism is a pathological product of socialism itself
    >> and was anti-Capitalist. So were the Nazis left or right? Neither, they
    >> were totalitarian like the Communists. On the other hand certain
    >> regimes of the 1930s-40s were authoritarian conservative (the right), like
    >> Petain's and Franco's governments which did also play footsy with French
    >> and Spanish fascists. Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
    >> conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
    >> prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots.
    >>
    >> It should be always remembered that for Europe and the United States,
    >> Capitalism appeared to many be failing in the 1930s. And beware,
    >> history does appear to repeat itself now and then.
    >>
    >> Earl
    >>
    >>
    >Interesting. Thanks for that.

"Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots."

Did you agree with that?
--
Martin

Emilia

Martin wrote:
    > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:39:37 +0200, emilia <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Earl Evleth wrote:
    >>>On 7/06/05 9:21, in article [email protected], "emilia"
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>Goebbels was from the loony left? No wonder they lost the war.
    >>>>Interesting! I didn't know Goebbels was from the loonie left!
    >>>>Amazing how this loonie righter makes up his own history to suit his own
    >>>>purposes!
    >>>The right-left terminology became useless with the arrival of National
    >>>Socialism. National Socialism is a pathological product of socialism itself
    >>>and was anti-Capitalist. So were the Nazis left or right? Neither, they
    >>>were totalitarian like the Communists. On the other hand certain
    >>>regimes of the 1930s-40s were authoritarian conservative (the right), like
    >>>Petain's and Franco's governments which did also play footsy with French
    >>>and Spanish fascists. Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
    >>>conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
    >>>prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots.
    >>>It should be always remembered that for Europe and the United States,
    >>>Capitalism appeared to many be failing in the 1930s. And beware,
    >>>history does appear to repeat itself now and then.
    >>>Earl
    >>Interesting. Thanks for that.
    >
    >
    > "Curiously, for Americans, the European authoritarian
    > conservatives also were anti-Capitalist since they had an anti-money
    > prejudice which grown out of their Catholic roots."
    >
    > Did you agree with that?

Well, not necessarily.

I think that the European authoritarian conservatives wanted to keep the
money in their own countries or for themselves.
Dictators & their cronies generally keep the money for themselves. This
is in itself anti-capitalist (no?). Definitely anti free markets.
But they certainly aren't "anti money". Perhaps "anti the monied classes"?

Never mind the fact that just because someone is Catholic doesn't mean
they can't or don't want to make lots of money....

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, Bill Moore
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <060620051702296626%[email protected]>, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >In article <[email protected]>, Bill Moore
    > ><[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >Following up to Earl Evleth
    > >> >
    > >> >>JBK posted 11 just before your posting. Shall we take a vote?
    > >> >
    > >> >>My vote: "non"
    > >> >
    > >> >I wasn't paying attention, is this to adopt the euro
    > >> >constitution? I'm "non" too.
    > >>
    > >> Yep. Personally I like the idea of the EU though am not familiar
    > >> enough with the specifics of this constitution to comment.
    > >>
    > >> >I think I have all the US right
    > >> >wingers kilfiled now, as to a man they cannot remain civil. They
    > >> >have certainly rather than education and eventually get angry if
    > >>
    > >> You mean "certainty", right? What's truly certain is that the right-wing
    > >> loonie types who "know for sure" like JBK will call everyone who disagrees
    > >> with them left-wingers, while left-wing loonie types (we have them on this
    > >> NG too) who "know for sure" will call everyone who disagrees with them
    > >> fascists.
    > >
    > >But the "right wing' types don't call for the organized silencing of
    > >CNN, NPR,BBC or people in this NG... something that is tops on their
    > >agenda.... "Haven't you kill filed him yet" ?
    >
    > Well, I can't say I agree with you there - I don't see where the left
    > is trying to silence the media.

During the GOP Convention in NYC, more than 1000 people marched down in
front of Fox News and proclaimed the protest to be a "shut-up-a-thon"

jay
Tue Jun 07, 2005
mailto:[email protected]




    > And despite the Bush=Hitler claims, I
    > don't think anyone on the right is, either. At least not systematically.
    > But I do think it's pathetic to chime in on many threads merely to put
    > shit on someone's doorstep and run away, as some do here often.
    >
    > >It is pathetic....
    > >
    > >
    > >jay
    > >Mon Jun 06, 2005
    > >mailto:[email protected]
    > >
    > >>
    > >> >challenged.
    > >> >--
    > >> >Mike Reid
    > >> >Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you
    > >> >can email us@ this site
    > >> >Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's
    > >a spamtrap
    > >>
    > >>
    >

Padraig Breathnach

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:


    >During the GOP Convention in NYC, more than 1000 people marched down in
    >front of Fox News and proclaimed the protest to be a "shut-up-a-thon"
Somebody should have stopped them.

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Chancellor Of The Duchy Of Besses O' Th' Barn And

Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > During the GOP Convention in NYC, more than 1000 people marched down in
    > front of Fox News and proclaimed the protest to be a "shut-up-a-thon"

Figgy, do get a sense of perspective. I've seen protesters chanting that
they want Bush out of the White House. That doesn't make them
anarchists, any more than people who would love to see ****s News go
down the toilet don't believe in free speech.

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