le Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:15:18 +0100, dans l'article , Tim a dit ...

    > Apart from Germany, Austria for example - but as you say, they're not
    > civilised - and as far as I'm aware it's not specifically illegal in most
    > other countries in the EU. The UK for example.
    > Which doesn't mean it's safe or sensible, just allowed.

Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.

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    > > Apart from Germany, Austria for example - but as you say, they're not
    > > civilised - and as far as I'm aware it's not specifically illegal in
most
    > > other countries in the EU. The UK for example.
    > > Which doesn't mean it's safe or sensible, just allowed.
    > Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
    > Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
    > twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.

Exactly!
Unfortunately it hurts a lot, even if the car driver is at fault. :-(
Tim.

On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 19:19:57 +0000, Desmond Coughlan wrote:

    > le Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:15:18 +0100, dans l'article , Tim a dit ...
    >
    >> Apart from Germany, Austria for example - but as you say, they're not
    >> civilised - and as far as I'm aware it's not specifically illegal in most
    >> other countries in the EU. The UK for example.
    >> Which doesn't mean it's safe or sensible, just allowed.
    >
    > Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
    > Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
    > twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.

But what if the car just moves enough *within its own lane* either to
block the way or just enough to disorient or scare the biker?

    > >> Apart from Germany, Austria for example - but as you say, they're not
    > >> civilised - and as far as I'm aware it's not specifically illegal in
most
    > >> other countries in the EU. The UK for example.
    > >> Which doesn't mean it's safe or sensible, just allowed.
    > >
    > > Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
    > > Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
    > > twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.
    > But what if the car just moves enough *within its own lane* either to
    > block the way or just enough to disorient or scare the biker?

I don't know the law in France, but perhaps it'll be along the lines of "
before making any maneuver, the driver should make sure that the space he
will drive into is clear and his maneuver will not endanger others ....etc
etc etc."
Sort of look before you move.
Tim.

    > >
    > > Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
    > > Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
    > > twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.
    > But what if the car just moves enough *within its own lane* either to
    > block the way or just enough to disorient or scare the biker?
In europe, you don't have to worry too much that the biker will pull a gun
out of the fairing and start shooting, as you would in the states.
however, such driving will still tend to make someone very unhappy with you;
be prepared.
regards, Mark Holden

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    > On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 19:19:57 +0000, Desmond Coughlan wrote:

    > But what if the car just moves enough *within its own lane* either to
    > block the way or just enough to disorient or scare the biker?
I think this brings us full circle back to the start of this thread and why
a motorcyclist should want to bang on somebody's hood (bonnet).

Adrian.
www.selfdrivecamping.co.uk

le Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:10:52 GMT, dans l'article , devil a dit ...

    >>> Apart from Germany, Austria for example - but as you say, they're not
    >>> civilised - and as far as I'm aware it's not specifically illegal in most
    >>> other countries in the EU. The UK for example.
    >>> Which doesn't mean it's safe or sensible, just allowed.

    >> Opinions are split here in France as to whether it's illegal or not.
    >> Whether it is or not, it's tolerated, and accidents are caused by dozy
    >> twats in their cars who change lanes without checking their mirrors.

    > But what if the car just moves enough *within its own lane* either to
    > block the way or just enough to disorient or scare the biker?

Depends. If it's deliberate, then it's going to cost him a wing mirror.

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