On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:49:51 +0100, nitram <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:42:38 -0800, Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>An illiterate's mark is rarely distinctive enough to constitute
    >>personal ID, and usually not repeatable.
    >unless the mark is a finger or thumb print.

Which probably wouldn't need witnessing.

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Joan McGalliard writes:

    > Which reminds of a test for authenticity of a £50 note. You dampen the
    > note - a licked finger will do, then rub it against a piece of paper.
    > The note - of course - should not be smeared, but a distinct pink smudge
    > should show on the paper.

That makes little sense: where does the pink smudge come from?

Also, it's extremely unhygienic.

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tim writes:

    > I never realised, presumably it's the squiggle at the top that looks like
    > a childs attempt to draw a picture of a paper dart.

Standard European signature.

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Joan McGalliard writes:
    >> Which reminds of a test for authenticity of a £50 note. You dampen the
    >> note - a licked finger will do, then rub it against a piece of paper.
    >> The note - of course - should not be smeared, but a distinct pink smudge
    >> should show on the paper.
    > That makes little sense: where does the pink smudge come from?
    > Also, it's extremely unhygienic.

For you or for the next person who gets the note? If the former, you could
try washing your hand first. If the latter, well, I'm sure a little Mxsmanic
spit isn't the worst thing that's been on it.

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Sjoerd wrote:
    > I have noticed that in some countries (such as the US) people
    > normally just write their name and this is their signature. In
    > other countries (such as the Netherlands, where Mr. Duisenberg is
    > from) people normally use any "scribble" that they like and can
    > reproduce, and that's their signature. It is impossible for
    > instance to reproduce my name from my signature, and the same goes
    > for most Dutch people.

Me, too, but, then, I can't write. Even my printed block letters are
difficult to read. My fifth grade teacher threatened to hold me back
if I didn't learn to write but she didn't.

At fourteen or so, I learned to type.

My mother's daughter, at the age of nine, attended a commercial
college to learn to type. She was the youngest student there.
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > tim writes:
    >> I never realised, presumably it's the squiggle at the top that looks like
    >> a childs attempt to draw a picture of a paper dart.
    > Standard European signature.

Really?

Most of the sigs on the old notes look much more like what
I would have expected:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/im...318432,00.html

(though one of the spanish guys seems to have drawn a paper dart as well)

tim

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    > "Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > tim writes:
    > >
    > >> I never realised, presumably it's the squiggle at the top that looks
like
    > >> a childs attempt to draw a picture of a paper dart.
    > >
    > > Standard European signature.
    > Really?
    > Most of the sigs on the old notes look much more like what
    > I would have expected:
    > http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/im...318432,00.html
    > (though one of the spanish guys seems to have drawn a paper dart as well)

The Dutch banknote has the signature of the same Mr. Duisenberg on it.....

Sjoerd

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    > szozu wrote:
    > > About a week ago someone said that a 50 EUR note was rejected because
the
    > > signature on the note was "fraudulent." Today the same thing happened to
me
    > > at the supermarket with a 10 EUR note in spite of it being Jean-Claude
    > > Trichet's signature. These new notes are just coming into circulation
and
    > > apparently many cashiers are not being informed:
    > Interesting to know that European supermarket clerks can be
    > as clueless as Amercan ones! When the "new" American $20
    > bills first came into circulation, a lot of people regarded
    > them with some skepticism.

Since posting this, the offending 10 EUR note was accepted without comment
at another establishment.

Lana

"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:16:34 -0800, Gordon Forbess
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:37:27 +0100, "Sjoerd" <[email protected]>
    > >wrote:
    > >
    > >>I have noticed that in some countries (such as the US) people normally
just
    > >>write their name and this is their signature. In other countries (such
as
    > >>the Netherlands, where Mr. Duisenberg is from) people normally use any
    > >>"scribble" that they like and can reproduce, and that's their signature.
It
    > >>is impossible for instance to reproduce my name from my signature, and
the
    > >>same goes for most Dutch people.
    > >
    > >Some signatures are pretty scribbled but, if your name is not evident
    > >in your signature, how is it different from an illiterate person
    > >making a mark (on a legal document, for example) which would require a
    > >witness signature?
    > An illiterate's mark is rarely distinctive enough to constitute
    > personal ID, and usually not repeatable. A person's scrawled
    > signature may not be readable, but it distinctive and more or
    > less consistent.
Same goes for French and Spanish signatures which are not meant to be
legible and are mostly
just squiggles. I sometimes wonder at what age children start experimenting
to perfect the squiggles that will represent them through life.

Lana

Miguel Cruz writes:

    > For you or for the next person who gets the note?

For both.

    > If the former, you could try washing your hand first.

That won't help.

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Miguel Cruz writes:
    >> For you or for the next person who gets the note?
    > For both.
    >> If the former, you could try washing your hand first.
    > That won't help.

Why not? What's the problem in that case?

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Miguel Cruz writes:

    > Why not? What's the problem in that case?

You'll place germs from your mouth on the bill by wetting it with
saliva, and you'll transfer germs from the bill to yourself by touching
it. It doesn't matter how clean your hands were before you do this.

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Miguel Cruz writes:
    >> Why not? What's the problem in that case?
    > You'll place germs from your mouth on the bill by wetting it with
    > saliva,

You said we were talking about your concern for your own sanitation.

    > and you'll transfer germs from the bill to yourself by touching
    > it.

You are going to touch it anyway.

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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Joan McGalliard writes:
    >
    > > Which reminds of a test for authenticity of a £50 note. You dampen the
    > > note - a licked finger will do, then rub it against a piece of paper.
    > > The note - of course - should not be smeared, but a distinct pink smudge
    > > should show on the paper.
    >
    > That makes little sense: where does the pink smudge come from?

The pink comes from the ink on the note. Only US currency is a uniform
green.

    > Also, it's extremely unhygienic.

It's no more unhygenic than money is anyway. Look around you. People
touch their noses, mouths etc all the time, then open their wallets.
Money is filthy. Always wash your hands after handling it or - like the
rest of us - trust to luck and your immune system.

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:00:58 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Miguel Cruz writes:
    >> For you or for the next person who gets the note?
    >For both.
    >> If the former, you could try washing your hand first.
    >That won't help.

because you always wear black leather gloves?
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