Magda

On Sat, 10 May 2003 04:27:15 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Frank Clarke
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Fri, 09 May 2003 14:57:46 +1000, Jason Pell
... wrote:
...
...
... > Back up to France
... > - Visit Versaille
... > - Paris - the Bastille, etc
...
... The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
... left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
... was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.

Yes, there is a trace - a line made of red bricks on the pavement, marking the limits of
the old fortress. Many people miss it because they don't cross the streets where the cars
are running, obviously - but it's there.

And part of its stones were found when they opened the metro tunnels, they are there too -
at Bastille, I forget which direction. And some of the stones found are kept in a very
small square nearby as well.

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All I ask, the heaven above and the road below me."

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Terry Richards

"Jason Pell" wrote in message
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    > Terry Richards wrote:
    > > Oh? I thought they used yeast. Or is yeast too small an animal to count?
    > I don't have a problem eating fungi:
    > http://genome-www.stanford.edu/Sacch...are_yeast.html
    > Cheers
    > Jason

Kewl

Now my biology-teacher wife is giving me a hard time for not knowing that

Terry.

Ralph

Hi Jason,

    > I am currently in the early stages of planning an 8 week trip to
    > europe for September-October of 2003.

And I'm in the final stages of arranging my stay in Australia... :-)

Now to your itinerary... the OPs have already told you quite a lot, so
I'll stick to a few suggestions for Germany and Italy:

    > Down to Germany
    > * visit Berlin

Why only Berlin? It's not representative of the whole of Germany. You
could add a side-trip to the south:

- Munich

- the all-time American & Japanese favourite Heidelberg (which you could
just as well replace with the less touristy Tübingen - my home town. ;-)

- many tourists like the German castles, of which there are plenty in
South Germany. Most popular place is probably Neuschwanstein.

- Ulm? Big cathedral.

- Cologne? Not really in the South but well worth a visit.

- since you want to visit Auschwitz, maybe no need to include another
concentration camp? Though Dachau is close to Munich.

    > Across to Italy
    > * Visit Venice, Florence and Rome
    > - The Vatican
    > - The Colosseum

Enough in Rome to keep you for more than a week. Florence is a heaven of
arts.

- Pisa and its pending tower
- San Gimignano?
- hike a bit in lovely Tuscany?
- stay in Liguria for a few days before continuing to France?
- maybe include Monaco?

Cheers,
R

Greg Byshenk

Jason Pell wrote:
    > greg byshenk wrote:

    > > Are you planning on having a railpass? And does that come out of
    > > your budget?

    > I was originally hoping that $AU10,000 (after airfare from melbourne to
    > europe - probably London) would suffice, but its starting to sound less
    > likely.

    > The $AU10,000 was supposed to include the Rail Pass as well. Perhaps
    > I am fooling myself.

    > I did not realise how much more expensive europe seems to be compared to
    > Australia.

How much is the railpass, and what would be your daily budget after taking
out the cost of the pass?

Depending on your needs, you could probably do your trip for something
a bit less than GBP70 per day (overall average). Food, shelter, and
local transport should be do-able at under GBP50 per day, even in the
more expensive parts of Europe (and quite a bit less in some places).

How much more than that you need will depend on your preferences. You
will need something for admission fees, etc. (some places will be cheap
or even free, others not), and for various incidental expenses.

While traveling, I've met some Australians who want to go out to the
pubs or clubs every night; this can get very expensive very quickly,
particularly in places like London and Paris.

Also, it is a good idea to leave yourself a bit of a "cushion". If
you are always trying to stretch your funds to the limit, doing
everything as cheaply as possible, it can wear you down over the
course of a month or two. I think most of the guidebooks recommend
having a little extra for "splurging" once in a while, be it on a
hotel, a nice night out (whatever that means for you), etc.


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The Reid

Following up to Frank Clarke

    >The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
    >left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
    >was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.

There is a comedy film called "Revolution" in which two hapless film
makers go to Paris "travel with me now through the portholes (sic) of
historical imaginings and storm the la (sic) Bastille". They of course
only find a metro station for the reenactment :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
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Jesper Lauridsen

Frank Clarke wrote:
    > The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
    > left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
    > was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.

It was attacked by an angry mob and destroyed. The perpetrators have
yet to be punished. Let that be a warning to anyone considering a
visit to Paris; angry mobs can roam the streets without penalty!

Me

Frank Clarke wrote in message news:...
    > On Fri, 09 May 2003 14:57:46 +1000, Jason Pell
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    > > Back up to France
    > > - Visit Versaille
    > > - Paris - the Bastille, etc
    >
    > The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
    > left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
    > was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.


Darn, and I know where the keys are. Fat lotta good they'll do
me now.

Henky

If you will be there in late September don't miss out Munich's
Oktoberfest, the biggest party in the world and Munich is also much
more beautiful than Berlin, trust me!!