Jason Pell

Hi,

I am currently in the early stages of planning an 8 week trip to
europe for September-October of 2003.

My proposed itinerary looks like this:

From Melbourne, Australia...

Fly to Britain
* Not sure what to do here

Ferry to Denmark
* Not sure what to do here

Down to Germany
* visit Berlin

Across to Poland
* Visit Warsaw - visit Warsaw Ghetto, Treblinka
* Visit Krakow - Salt mines and Auschwitz-Berkenau

Up and across to Russia
* Visit Moscow & St Petersburg

Down to Turkey
* Visit Gallipoli & Istanbul (especially interested in Troy /
Constantinople history of this area)

Down to Greece
* Visit Athens & Delphi

Across to Italy
* Visit Venice, Florence and Rome
- The Vatican
- The Colosseum

Back up to France
- Visit Versaille
- Paris - the Bastille, etc
- I have seen mention of a town in france destroyed (population
murdered) by the Germans and never rebuilt (The World at War
documentary) - not sure of the name, but would be interested in visiting
if it is still there.

Back to London and home to Australia

I have to flesh this out a bit more, but this my basic plan. However
I know I am missing out a quite a bit, but I also have specific sites
I want to see for myself.

Being an enthusiastic historian of WWI and WWII history, my preference
is for sites related to this period.

Within each city, where I have indicated that I am unsure what else
there is to see, I am hoping you can help.

Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
19th centuries would also be interesting.

Thanks
Jason

Jason Pell

Hi,

Additions to German itinerary:
Dachau concentration camp
Berchtesgaden - eagles nest

A site I found, will assist me, although american biased, it does
provide a great deal of information about sites related to WWII

http://www.isu.edu/alumni/WWII.html

Comments appreciated

Thanks
Jason

Jason Pell

The French town is:

Oradour-sur-Glane
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...ne/oradour.htm

I found out about this place from the 'Remember' episode of
the BBC documentary 'The World at War' - a brilliant documentary

Lilo

nine countries in 8 weeks! For me, it is too much!


"Jason Pell" a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > Hi,
    > I am currently in the early stages of planning an 8 week trip to
    > europe for September-October of 2003.
    > My proposed itinerary looks like this:
    > From Melbourne, Australia...
    > Fly to Britain
    > * Not sure what to do here
    > Ferry to Denmark
    > * Not sure what to do here
    > Down to Germany
    > * visit Berlin
    > Across to Poland
    > * Visit Warsaw - visit Warsaw Ghetto, Treblinka
    > * Visit Krakow - Salt mines and Auschwitz-Berkenau
    > Up and across to Russia
    > * Visit Moscow & St Petersburg
    > Down to Turkey
    > * Visit Gallipoli & Istanbul (especially interested in Troy /
    > Constantinople history of this area)
    > Down to Greece
    > * Visit Athens & Delphi
    > Across to Italy
    > * Visit Venice, Florence and Rome
    > - The Vatican
    > - The Colosseum
    > Back up to France
    > - Visit Versaille
    > - Paris - the Bastille, etc
    > - I have seen mention of a town in france destroyed (population
    > murdered) by the Germans and never rebuilt (The World at War
    > documentary) - not sure of the name, but would be interested in visiting
    > if it is still there.
    > Back to London and home to Australia
    > I have to flesh this out a bit more, but this my basic plan. However
    > I know I am missing out a quite a bit, but I also have specific sites
    > I want to see for myself.
    > Being an enthusiastic historian of WWI and WWII history, my preference
    > is for sites related to this period.
    > Within each city, where I have indicated that I am unsure what else
    > there is to see, I am hoping you can help.
    > Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
    > 19th centuries would also be interesting.
    > Thanks
    > Jason

Miss L.Toe

"lilo" wrote in message
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    > nine countries in 8 weeks! For me, it is too much!

well don't go then !!

For a young fit Ozzy it should be no problem.

I'm surprsied that a trip to Amsterdam wasn't on the list - especially the
Anne Frank house with the WWII interest.

I'd skip Denmark and do the Norweigan Fjords instead and/or the Stockholm
Archepelico (?sp)

Don't plan too long in Athens, maybe a few days around the Greek Islands
instead.

Dover Castle while in England

Jason Pell

    > I'm surprsied that a trip to Amsterdam wasn't on the list - especially the
    > Anne Frank house with the WWII interest.

Hi,

These are the sorts of suggestions I was looking for. The house of Anne
Frank would definately be something I would like to visit.

The Netherlands it is :-)

Thanks
Jason

Tim

On Fri, 09 May 2003 20:55:26 +1000, Jason Pell
wrote:

    >> I'm surprsied that a trip to Amsterdam wasn't on the list - especially
    >> the
    >> Anne Frank house with the WWII interest.
    > Hi,
    > These are the sorts of suggestions I was looking for. The house of Anne
    > Frank would definately be something I would like to visit.
    > The Netherlands it is :-)


There's also the museum at Mauthausen, near Linz on the Danube in Austria.
Tim.

Jason Pell

lilo wrote:
    > nine countries in 8 weeks! For me, it is too much!

Check the following website:
http://www.eurohistour.com/

If they can do all that in 15 days, surely I can do that
and more in 56!

Cheers
Jason

Krist

Jason Pell wrote:

    > Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
    > 19th centuries would also be interesting.

Western Belgium / Northern France would have to be on you list too...
Lots of WWI battelfields, and a great museum at Ieper (Ypres).


Krist


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Jesper Lauridsen

Jason Pell wrote:

    > Ferry to Denmark

Why sail? It takes 18 hours and costs more than an one-way ticket on
Ryanair.

    > * Not sure what to do here

Take a look the German bunkers on the west coast. You can find stuff
like this:

http://w1.1974.telia.com/~u198900940/page3.html

    > Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
    > 19th centuries would also be interesting.

There's a museum around Dybbøl on the German (Prussia) - Danish war
in 1864.

http://www.1864.dk/

Luca Logi

Jason Pell wrote:

    > Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
    > 19th centuries would also be interesting.

If you are doing Italy in early September (October is already too late)
you could consider WWI battle sites in the Dolomites area (and maybe
also in the border zone with Slovenia).

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Miss L.Toe

"The Reid" wrote in message
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    > Following up to Jason Pell
    > >Fly to Britain
    > > * Not sure what to do here
    > As the battlefields are not in UK, I'm not sure either. There is
    > Churchills underground war bunker in Whitehall. Hendon RAF museum
    > (north London) and The Imperial War Mueum in Lambeth. IIRC there is an
    > armoury in the Tower of London, oh, theres HMS Belfast, a WW2 cruiser
    > moored on the Thames you can go round.
    > --
    > Mike Reid

If only the OP was interested in older conflicts, Romans, Danes, French,
Civil War etc etc he could spend years in Britain.

The Reid

Following up to Jason Pell

    >Fly to Britain
    > * Not sure what to do here

As the battlefields are not in UK, I'm not sure either. There is
Churchills underground war bunker in Whitehall. Hendon RAF museum
(north London) and The Imperial War Mueum in Lambeth. IIRC there is an
armoury in the Tower of London, oh, theres HMS Belfast, a WW2 cruiser
moored on the Thames you can go round.
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Jason Pell

Luca Logi wrote:
    > Jason Pell wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
    >>19th centuries would also be interesting.
    >
    >
    > If you are doing Italy in early September (October is already too late)
    > you could consider WWI battle sites in the Dolomites area (and maybe
    > also in the border zone with Slovenia).
    >
Why is October too late - too cold?

I have heard that August is tourist season, and I was hoping to miss
at least some of the crush, by starting in september...

Oughtfour

Jason Pell wrote:

[snip nine-week loop though much of Europe]

    > Being an enthusiastic historian of WWI and WWII history, my preference
    > is for sites related to this period.

That sounds like a memorable trip!

I wonder, though, why you would spend a day (more or less) returning to
London simply for the purpose of flying home. (You could fly home from
Paris.) But since you *are* doing that, and given your interests, I wonder
why you don't spend a day or two on the way back to London at the D-Day
sites in Normandy. Including the Peace Museum in Caen.

Your route also takes you near an interesting Resistance Museum in the town
of Fontaine-de-Vaucluse in Provence. It includes exhibits about the Vichy
government and local resistance activities during WW II.