European trip - proposed itinerary - Comments appreciated.
May 9th 2003, 6:12 am
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Juliana L Holm wrote in
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> I fyou eat
> dairly, and aeggs, two excellent German dishes that are Vegetarian
> are Kasespatzle and Pfifferlinge mit Rahm.
He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
his historical interests). The dishes you mention are Swabian. In Berlin,
he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants that serve the exotic cuisine of
our southern colonies.
Otherwhise they're alien here.
Falafal is an obvious vegetarian dish readily available in Berlin. There
are also lots of vegetarian restaurants, and many others have a special
vegetarian category on the menu.
Regards
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> I fyou eat
> dairly, and aeggs, two excellent German dishes that are Vegetarian
> are Kasespatzle and Pfifferlinge mit Rahm.
He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
his historical interests). The dishes you mention are Swabian. In Berlin,
he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants that serve the exotic cuisine of
our southern colonies.
Otherwhise they're alien here.Falafal is an obvious vegetarian dish readily available in Berlin. There
are also lots of vegetarian restaurants, and many others have a special
vegetarian category on the menu.
Regards
--
I want my MDR
May 9th 2003, 6:14 am
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Following up to Juliana L Holm
>Are you vegan or do you eat dairy/eggs.. Germany will be tough if you are
>Vegan, very do-able if you eat dairy.
Skip Spain, they think ham is a vegetable :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>Are you vegan or do you eat dairy/eggs.. Germany will be tough if you are
>Vegan, very do-able if you eat dairy.
Skip Spain, they think ham is a vegetable :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 9th 2003, 6:15 am
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
> his historical interests).
I forgot to mention Nuremburg and Munich as possible places to visit. I
guess I am just starting out. I have only just decided this week to
commit to a european trip in september - october, so my plans will
likely change - depending on costs and timing.
Regards
Jason
> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
> his historical interests).
I forgot to mention Nuremburg and Munich as possible places to visit. I
guess I am just starting out. I have only just decided this week to
commit to a european trip in september - october, so my plans will
likely change - depending on costs and timing.
Regards
Jason
May 9th 2003, 7:19 am
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> Juliana L Holm wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>> I fyou eat
>> dairly, and aeggs, two excellent German dishes that are Vegetarian
>> are Kasespatzle and Pfifferlinge mit Rahm.
> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
> his historical interests). The dishes you mention are Swabian. In Berlin,
> he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants that serve the exotic cuisine of
> our southern colonies. Otherwhise they're alien here.
I got both of these dishes in Berlin (as well as seeing them on the menu
in the Rhine, Schwartzwald, and Munich.). They are available everywhere.
Admittedly we were looking for places with stuff on the menu that a
vegetarian could eat.
Also I will note that there are a lot of Turkish and Middle Eastern places
in Germany, espcially in Berlin, and you can find hummous, baba ganough and
Falafel just about everywhere, which works for even vegans. Plus many
stehcafes have roasted veggie sandwiches.
Julie
> Falafal is an obvious vegetarian dish readily available in Berlin. There
> are also lots of vegetarian restaurants, and many others have a special
> vegetarian category on the menu.
> Regards
> --
> I want my MDR
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> Juliana L Holm wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>> I fyou eat
>> dairly, and aeggs, two excellent German dishes that are Vegetarian
>> are Kasespatzle and Pfifferlinge mit Rahm.
> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany (appropriately, for
> his historical interests). The dishes you mention are Swabian. In Berlin,
> he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants that serve the exotic cuisine of
> our southern colonies.
Otherwhise they're alien here.I got both of these dishes in Berlin (as well as seeing them on the menu
in the Rhine, Schwartzwald, and Munich.). They are available everywhere.
Admittedly we were looking for places with stuff on the menu that a
vegetarian could eat.
Also I will note that there are a lot of Turkish and Middle Eastern places
in Germany, espcially in Berlin, and you can find hummous, baba ganough and
Falafel just about everywhere, which works for even vegans. Plus many
stehcafes have roasted veggie sandwiches.
Julie
> Falafal is an obvious vegetarian dish readily available in Berlin. There
> are also lots of vegetarian restaurants, and many others have a special
> vegetarian category on the menu.
> Regards
> --
> I want my MDR
--
Julie
**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
May 9th 2003, 8:39 am
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Just bring your skis, snowshoes, and huskies in October. The Dolomites
are scenic enough one could spend a lifetime wandering them and forget
about the rest of Italy......
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wf.
Jason Pell wrote:
>
> Luca Logi wrote:
> > Jason Pell wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
> >>19th centuries would also be interesting.
> >
> >
> > If you are doing Italy in early September (October is already too late)
> > you could consider WWI battle sites in the Dolomites area (and maybe
> > also in the border zone with Slovenia).
> >
> Why is October too late - too cold?
>
> I have heard that August is tourist season, and I was hoping to miss
> at least some of the crush, by starting in september...
are scenic enough one could spend a lifetime wandering them and forget
about the rest of Italy......
--
wf.
Jason Pell wrote:
>
> Luca Logi wrote:
> > Jason Pell wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sites related to WWI and WWII or earlier conflicts from the 18th and
> >>19th centuries would also be interesting.
> >
> >
> > If you are doing Italy in early September (October is already too late)
> > you could consider WWI battle sites in the Dolomites area (and maybe
> > also in the border zone with Slovenia).
> >
> Why is October too late - too cold?
>
> I have heard that August is tourist season, and I was hoping to miss
> at least some of the crush, by starting in september...
May 9th 2003, 8:50 am
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Hmm, ham a vegetable, sounds good to me; or as they said in the movie
'Big Fat Greek Wedding' - "You're vegetarian .... OK, we'll roast a
lamb!"
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wf.
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to Juliana L Holm
>
> >Are you vegan or do you eat dairy/eggs.. Germany will be tough if you are
> >Vegan, very do-able if you eat dairy.
>
> Skip Spain, they think ham is a vegetable :-)
> --
> Mike Reid
> "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
> Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
> Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
-
'Big Fat Greek Wedding' - "You're vegetarian .... OK, we'll roast a
lamb!"
--
wf.
The Reid wrote:
>
> Following up to Juliana L Holm
>
> >Are you vegan or do you eat dairy/eggs.. Germany will be tough if you are
> >Vegan, very do-able if you eat dairy.
>
> Skip Spain, they think ham is a vegetable :-)
> --
> Mike Reid
> "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
> Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
> Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
-
May 9th 2003, 9:29 am
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> ...German beer (The 1500's purity law makes the beer entirely
> vegan which is nice)
Oh? I thought they used yeast. Or is yeast too small an animal to count?
Terry.
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> ...German beer (The 1500's purity law makes the beer entirely
> vegan which is nice)
Oh? I thought they used yeast. Or is yeast too small an animal to count?
Terry.
May 9th 2003, 9:30 am
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Jason Pell wrote in
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> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>
>> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany
>> (appropriately, for his historical interests).
>
> I forgot to mention Nuremburg and Munich as possible places to visit.
Please go to Berlin anyway. It's smack on the spot for your interest.
Regards
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> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>
>> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany
>> (appropriately, for his historical interests).
>
> I forgot to mention Nuremburg and Munich as possible places to visit.
Please go to Berlin anyway.
It's smack on the spot for your interest.Regards
--
I want my MDR
May 9th 2003, 9:33 am
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Juliana L Holm wrote in
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[Spätzle]
>> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany
>> (appropriately, for his historical interests). The dishes you mention
>> are Swabian. In Berlin, he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants
>> that serve the exotic cuisine of our southern colonies. Otherwhise
>> they're alien here.
>
>
> I got both of these dishes in Berlin (as well as seeing them on the
> menu in the Rhine, Schwartzwald, and Munich.).
Well, there are Swabian restaurants in Berlin (which is what I meant), and
some others feature such dishes as well. But it's not local, but considered
a "speciality form Somewhere Else".
Regards
--
I want my MDR
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[Spätzle]
>> He mentioned Berlin as his only destination in Germany
>> (appropriately, for his historical interests). The dishes you mention
>> are Swabian. In Berlin, he'll only find them in ethnic restaurants
>> that serve the exotic cuisine of our southern colonies.
Otherwhise>> they're alien here.
>
>
> I got both of these dishes in Berlin (as well as seeing them on the
> menu in the Rhine, Schwartzwald, and Munich.).
Well, there are Swabian restaurants in Berlin (which is what I meant), and
some others feature such dishes as well. But it's not local, but considered
a "speciality form Somewhere Else".
Regards
--
I want my MDR
May 9th 2003, 10:00 am
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"Jason Pell" wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I am currently in the early stages of planning an 8 week trip to
> europe for September-October of 2003.
> My proposed itinerary looks like this:
> Across to Poland
> * Visit Warsaw - visit Warsaw Ghetto, Treblinka
> * Visit Krakow - Salt mines and Auschwitz-Berkenau
I'm willing to bet one concentration camp will be enough. Perhaps I feel
this way because I am jewish and have heard and read stories of the camps
all my life. There is something about visiting them that seems to make the
whole thing unreal to me. Paradoxical isn't it. Perhaps it is because my
mental images are so vivid and the museums rather barren.
I would reccomend that you vist the Kazmiers , the old jewish Quarter
outside Krakow. There is a good museum there that focuses on what the
Holocost destroyed rather than what it created. A much more poingent
experience for me.
On my first trip to Poland a young Polish woman next to me on the plane was
appaled by the impression that we were planning on visiting Warsaw. She was
a resident and considered it devoid of any attractions for a western
visitor. As it turns out she was mistaken. We were only changing planes in
Warsaw for a visit to Krakow.
Give yourself plenty of time for Krakow. It is a great town to hang out in.
we have been twice and will probably go again some day.
If your budget allows stay inside the old city. I think Dom Gocinny is
unbeatable for a hotel. But it is very hard to get into. "Dom Gocinny UJ"
On our first trip I was refused reservations. But the
day before we left home I tried again to see if there might be
cancellations. We got in for 4 nights.
Krakows market square is wonderful and I would allow an afternoon and
evening to just sit, sip beer and visit with neighbors at the dozens of
cafes around its perimeter.
I recomend University Museum at 15 Jagiellonska street.
15th-century grand Collegium Maius, the oldest building of the Jagiellonian
University. It is one of the nicest museums we saw in Europe. They have
several tours each day. Put one of them is longer than the rest. I think
it is the last in the morning.
You can see my photos of Krakow at http://www.pbase.com/marc4ucb
For a very romantic splurge, I recommend a night at Hotel Noma in Promnice.
http://www.promnice.com.pl/glownaeng.html
We stayed one night there when we drove to Krakow from Czech R. it is
about an hour North East of Krakow.
South East of Krakow on the Polish/Slovakian border is a pass through the
Tatras where a huge battle was fought between the Nazis and the Soviets. I
do not know what is there to see today. But I have read about it and it was
the loss of this battle that dashed any hopes of a German defense outside
its own borders. It was also this defeat that saved Krakow from destruction
in the war. With the Allies crossing the northeren plains of Poland.
Streaming through Slovakia on the S. side of the Tatras the German forces in
S. Poland were in immediate rish of being surrounded and cut off. So they
fled without making a stand that would have reduced Krakow to rubble as
happened in Warsaw.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other
countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw
Marc
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> Hi,
> I am currently in the early stages of planning an 8 week trip to
> europe for September-October of 2003.
> My proposed itinerary looks like this:
> Across to Poland
> * Visit Warsaw - visit Warsaw Ghetto, Treblinka
> * Visit Krakow - Salt mines and Auschwitz-Berkenau
I'm willing to bet one concentration camp will be enough. Perhaps I feel
this way because I am jewish and have heard and read stories of the camps
all my life. There is something about visiting them that seems to make the
whole thing unreal to me. Paradoxical isn't it. Perhaps it is because my
mental images are so vivid and the museums rather barren.
I would reccomend that you vist the Kazmiers , the old jewish Quarter
outside Krakow. There is a good museum there that focuses on what the
Holocost destroyed rather than what it created. A much more poingent
experience for me.
On my first trip to Poland a young Polish woman next to me on the plane was
appaled by the impression that we were planning on visiting Warsaw. She was
a resident and considered it devoid of any attractions for a western
visitor. As it turns out she was mistaken. We were only changing planes in
Warsaw for a visit to Krakow.
Give yourself plenty of time for Krakow. It is a great town to hang out in.
we have been twice and will probably go again some day.
If your budget allows stay inside the old city. I think Dom Gocinny is
unbeatable for a hotel. But it is very hard to get into. "Dom Gocinny UJ"
On our first trip I was refused reservations. But the
day before we left home I tried again to see if there might be
cancellations. We got in for 4 nights.
Krakows market square is wonderful and I would allow an afternoon and
evening to just sit, sip beer and visit with neighbors at the dozens of
cafes around its perimeter.
I recomend University Museum at 15 Jagiellonska street.
15th-century grand Collegium Maius, the oldest building of the Jagiellonian
University. It is one of the nicest museums we saw in Europe. They have
several tours each day. Put one of them is longer than the rest. I think
it is the last in the morning.
You can see my photos of Krakow at http://www.pbase.com/marc4ucb
For a very romantic splurge, I recommend a night at Hotel Noma in Promnice.
http://www.promnice.com.pl/glownaeng.html
We stayed one night there when we drove to Krakow from Czech R. it is
about an hour North East of Krakow.
South East of Krakow on the Polish/Slovakian border is a pass through the
Tatras where a huge battle was fought between the Nazis and the Soviets. I
do not know what is there to see today. But I have read about it and it was
the loss of this battle that dashed any hopes of a German defense outside
its own borders. It was also this defeat that saved Krakow from destruction
in the war. With the Allies crossing the northeren plains of Poland.
Streaming through Slovakia on the S. side of the Tatras the German forces in
S. Poland were in immediate rish of being surrounded and cut off. So they
fled without making a stand that would have reduced Krakow to rubble as
happened in Warsaw.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other
countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw
Marc
May 9th 2003, 2:47 pm
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Terry Richards wrote:
> Oh? I thought they used yeast. Or is yeast too small an animal to count?
I don't have a problem eating fungi:
http://genome-www.stanford.edu/Sacch...are_yeast.html
Cheers
Jason
> Oh? I thought they used yeast. Or is yeast too small an animal to count?
I don't have a problem eating fungi:
http://genome-www.stanford.edu/Sacch...are_yeast.html
Cheers
Jason
May 9th 2003, 4:27 pm
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On Fri, 09 May 2003 14:57:46 +1000, Jason Pell
wrote:
> Back up to France
> - Visit Versaille
> - Paris - the Bastille, etc
The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.
It never occured to me that it wouldn't still exist.
wrote:
> Back up to France
> - Visit Versaille
> - Paris - the Bastille, etc
The Bastile was on my list, too, when I went to Paris. The only thing
left is a 30meter pylon commemorating the place where the Bastile once
was. Of the Bastile itself, there is not a trace.
It never occured to me that it wouldn't still exist.
May 9th 2003, 6:37 pm
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"Jason Pell" wrote in message
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> I did not realise how much more expensive europe seems to be compared to
> Australia.
Britain at least should be a tad cheaper. The Pound has weakened
considerably against the Euro in the last couple of weeks, so you should get
more £ for your Aus$.
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> I did not realise how much more expensive europe seems to be compared to
> Australia.
Britain at least should be a tad cheaper. The Pound has weakened
considerably against the Euro in the last couple of weeks, so you should get
more £ for your Aus$.
May 9th 2003, 6:54 pm
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"Juliana L Holm" wrote in message
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> Jason Pell wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Additions to German itinerary:
> > Dachau concentration camp
> > Berchtesgaden - eagles nest
> Outside Berlin; Wannsee, where the Wannsee conference was held.
> Assume you already plan the Checkpoint CHarlie Museum, the bombedout
church
> on Kurfurtstendamm.
> Buchenwald has an excellent museum. BUt not like Auchwitz.
> Hildesheim is a little out of your way, but the Jewish quarter there was
> interesting to us, mostly intact except for the Synagogue, which was
destroyed
> during Krystilnacht. The outlines is still there.
> --
> Julie
> **********
> Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
> http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Lineups at the Reichstag get long so make plans for time to take that in.
Also, there is a portion of the wall still standing as a gallery that you
should see.
I just got back from another few days in Berlin. I love that city. Out of
all your war memorial visiting do take time out for KaDeWe's top floor for
food.
In Berlin we stay in a wonderful..and sometimes this sounds like an
oxymoron...Holiday Inn on East Prenzelaur. It is a great location and makes
it easy to get around town.
There is also a fairly new Jewish museum in Berlin. I haven't been to it but
maybe you may want to stop by.
Just remember Berlin has so much history and culture beyond WWII.
Just spent an afternoon at Berchtesgaden and would highly recommend it but
do consider you have to take the boat tour up the lake to see anything. The
town itself is WAY too touristy but the lake and area is beautiful.
Enjoy!
Heather
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> Jason Pell wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Additions to German itinerary:
> > Dachau concentration camp
> > Berchtesgaden - eagles nest
> Outside Berlin; Wannsee, where the Wannsee conference was held.
> Assume you already plan the Checkpoint CHarlie Museum, the bombedout
church
> on Kurfurtstendamm.
> Buchenwald has an excellent museum. BUt not like Auchwitz.
> Hildesheim is a little out of your way, but the Jewish quarter there was
> interesting to us, mostly intact except for the Synagogue, which was
destroyed
> during Krystilnacht. The outlines is still there.
> --
> Julie
> **********
> Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
> http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Lineups at the Reichstag get long so make plans for time to take that in.
Also, there is a portion of the wall still standing as a gallery that you
should see.
I just got back from another few days in Berlin. I love that city. Out of
all your war memorial visiting do take time out for KaDeWe's top floor for
food.
In Berlin we stay in a wonderful..and sometimes this sounds like an
oxymoron...Holiday Inn on East Prenzelaur. It is a great location and makes
it easy to get around town.
There is also a fairly new Jewish museum in Berlin. I haven't been to it but
maybe you may want to stop by.
Just remember Berlin has so much history and culture beyond WWII.
Just spent an afternoon at Berchtesgaden and would highly recommend it but
do consider you have to take the boat tour up the lake to see anything. The
town itself is WAY too touristy but the lake and area is beautiful.
Enjoy!
Heather
May 9th 2003, 6:57 pm
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Why not go to Denmark and take the ferry from Copenhagen to Oslo. That way
you get a day in Copenhagen. Visit the Glyptotek for an amazing cultural
experience and have some fun in Tivoli. From Oslo there is a special pass
you can get to ride trains etc to the coast and get trips into the fjords.
In Norway the most spectacular fjord is Geiranger but Lisefjord near
Stavanger is easily accessable by boat trip from Stavanger and still very
impressive.
Heather
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> "lilo" wrote in message
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> > nine countries in 8 weeks! For me, it is too much!
> >
> >
> well don't go then !!
> For a young fit Ozzy it should be no problem.
> I'm surprsied that a trip to Amsterdam wasn't on the list - especially the
> Anne Frank house with the WWII interest.
> I'd skip Denmark and do the Norweigan Fjords instead and/or the Stockholm
> Archepelico (?sp)
> Don't plan too long in Athens, maybe a few days around the Greek Islands
> instead.
> Dover Castle while in England
you get a day in Copenhagen. Visit the Glyptotek for an amazing cultural
experience and have some fun in Tivoli. From Oslo there is a special pass
you can get to ride trains etc to the coast and get trips into the fjords.
In Norway the most spectacular fjord is Geiranger but Lisefjord near
Stavanger is easily accessable by boat trip from Stavanger and still very
impressive.
Heather
"Miss L.Toe" wrote in message
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> "lilo" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > nine countries in 8 weeks! For me, it is too much!
> >
> >
> well don't go then !!
> For a young fit Ozzy it should be no problem.
> I'm surprsied that a trip to Amsterdam wasn't on the list - especially the
> Anne Frank house with the WWII interest.
> I'd skip Denmark and do the Norweigan Fjords instead and/or the Stockholm
> Archepelico (?sp)
> Don't plan too long in Athens, maybe a few days around the Greek Islands
> instead.
> Dover Castle while in England
