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Old Dec 10th 2004, 8:26 pm
  #121  
Ellie C
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Jim Ley wrote:

    > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:33:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:49 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>oh even off hours I didn't find it very interesting, the architecture
    >>>wasn't that much different to elsewhere, it was just, oh look some
    >>>water where a road might be...
    >>With that definition you wouldn't be able to differentiate between
    >>B'ham UK, A'dam and Venice.
    >
    >
    > well, in some respects, the 3 do have different architecture, so they
    > can be told apart, but there was nothing "special" about venice,
    > especially when it was pretty dirty, and a lot of the time very busy,
    > and with all the industry focused on tourists.
    >
    > Jim.

Opinions obviously vary. I found Venice one of the most entrancing and
visually gorgeous places I've ever been. I also loved listening to the
choral groups singing in various little piazzas (not sure if that's the
right word) on Sunday morning, the sound echoing off the surrounding
stone. To me, and to my husband as well, Venice was a place of magic and
wonder.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 8:28 pm
  #122  
Ellie C
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[email protected] wrote:

    > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:28:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:33:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:49 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>oh even off hours I didn't find it very interesting, the architecture
    >>>>wasn't that much different to elsewhere, it was just, oh look some
    >>>>water where a road might be...
    >>>With that definition you wouldn't be able to differentiate between
    >>>B'ham UK, A'dam and Venice.
    >>well, in some respects, the 3 do have different architecture, so they
    >>can be told apart, but there was nothing "special" about venice,
    >
    >
    > There is lots special about Venice, however if you can convince others
    > otherwise, perhaps it will reduce the number of tourists and so I had
    > better not argue.
    >

Oops! You're right. OK, to all who are wondering - Venice is *terrible*.
Don't ever go there. The place is ugly, the food is dreary and the
people are almost as bad as the French. ;-)
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 8:42 pm
  #123  
Ellie C
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Matteo B wrote:

    > "The Reids" <[email protected]>
    >
    >>I noted the tourist menu ragu was a rather non italian type spag
    >>bol main course with masses of meaty sauce.
    >
    >
    > it may sound like heresy but the best meat sauce described more
    > or less as 'ragù alla bolognese' that I've ever had was not in Bologna
    > but in a rather unpretentious restaurant in Edinborough (sp?). it tasted
    > so nice that I almost failed to notice it was served on overcooked
    > spaghetti.:)
    >
    >
    >
    >
Gee. I thought overcooked pasta was just a French specialty. ;-) *Why*
do they boil the pasta until it's almost mush? I remember reading a
quote from some famous French writer (Dumas?) referring to spaghetti as
sauce on overcooked laundry.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 8:59 pm
  #124  
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:46:51 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
    >> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> []
    >>
    >>>It's been more than "the moment". The exchange rate has been
    >>>relatively unfavorable for the better part of 20 years. It's
    >>>just extremely bad right now.
    >>
    >>
    >> It's just been at a sustained high level for the last few years, that's
    >> all. For most of the 90s it was quite a bit lower- sometimes hovering as
    >> low as 1.5 dollars to the pound, and I rarely remember it being above
    >> 1.7. As I was receiving a lot of UK income, but living in the US, I
    >> watched the exchange rates quite closely- fortnightly usually. I think
    >> it was well above two to the pound in the early eighties though.
    >>
    >> David
    >>
    >For the pound for a small part of the 90s it was down under $1.30 to the
    >pound. Then it bounced between $1.50 and %1.70 or so fairly
    >consistently. Now, it's had a breakout on the up side but as you note
    >nowhere near $2.40 from years ago when the British & US penny were at
    >par. The US drop from the original relation to the euro is still far
    >less than the initial euro drop. We are simply seeing a small drop
    >after the recovery from a disaster for the euro.

as shown here
http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eu...ph-usd.en.html

The dollar has dropped 10% since August 2004 and is still falling.

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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:10 pm
  #125  
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:26:48 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Jim Ley wrote:
    >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:33:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:49 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>oh even off hours I didn't find it very interesting, the architecture
    >>>>wasn't that much different to elsewhere, it was just, oh look some
    >>>>water where a road might be...
    >>>With that definition you wouldn't be able to differentiate between
    >>>B'ham UK, A'dam and Venice.
    >>
    >>
    >> well, in some respects, the 3 do have different architecture, so they
    >> can be told apart, but there was nothing "special" about venice,
    >> especially when it was pretty dirty, and a lot of the time very busy,
    >> and with all the industry focused on tourists.
    >>
    >> Jim.
    >Opinions obviously vary. I found Venice one of the most entrancing and
    >visually gorgeous places I've ever been. I also loved listening to the
    >choral groups singing in various little piazzas (not sure if that's the
    >right word) on Sunday morning, the sound echoing off the surrounding
    >stone. To me, and to my husband as well, Venice was a place of magic and
    >wonder.

Me too!
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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:13 pm
  #126  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:28:44 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >[email protected] wrote:
    >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:28:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:33:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:49 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>>oh even off hours I didn't find it very interesting, the architecture
    >>>>>wasn't that much different to elsewhere, it was just, oh look some
    >>>>>water where a road might be...
    >>>>With that definition you wouldn't be able to differentiate between
    >>>>B'ham UK, A'dam and Venice.
    >>>well, in some respects, the 3 do have different architecture, so they
    >>>can be told apart, but there was nothing "special" about venice,
    >>
    >>
    >> There is lots special about Venice, however if you can convince others
    >> otherwise, perhaps it will reduce the number of tourists and so I had
    >> better not argue.
    >>
    >Oops! You're right. OK, to all who are wondering - Venice is *terrible*.
    >Don't ever go there. The place is ugly, the food is dreary and the
    >people are almost as bad as the French. ;-)

not forgetting the monotonous architecture, that the streets and
pavements are frequently flooded knee deep with raw sewage, and there
are so many tourists, it's like Tokyo at chucking out time.
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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:18 pm
  #127  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:42:51 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Matteo B wrote:
    >> "The Reids" <[email protected]>
    >>
    >>>I noted the tourist menu ragu was a rather non italian type spag
    >>>bol main course with masses of meaty sauce.
    >>
    >>
    >> it may sound like heresy but the best meat sauce described more
    >> or less as 'ragù alla bolognese' that I've ever had was not in Bologna
    >> but in a rather unpretentious restaurant in Edinborough (sp?). it tasted
    >> so nice that I almost failed to notice it was served on overcooked
    >> spaghetti.:)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >Gee. I thought overcooked pasta was just a French specialty. ;-) *Why*
    >do they boil the pasta until it's almost mush?

to remind foreigners of Heinz's tinned stuff? :-)

One of the Dutch TV channels has been showing Jeremy Clarkson's tour
around the EU in an E type Jag., one of the best things he has done.
There was a scene in the Italian episode, where he served a local
Italian branch of the Slow Food Club a tin of All Day Breakfast, Vesta
dehydrated curry ...
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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:19 pm
  #128  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:47:33 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected] m...
    >>>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
    >>>>It is very sad, isn't it?
    >>>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
    >>Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
    >Jaysus, man, have you not got a titter of wit? It needs to be filtered
    >first, or it wrecks the plumbing.

LOL
Are you a Heineken man, with desolved parts that other beers can't
reach?
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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:20 pm
  #129  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:18:22 GMT, Deep Frayed Morgues
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
    >>>It is very sad, isn't it?
    >>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
    >Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?

Don't you mean take it straight from the urinal?
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Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:27 pm
  #130  
Jim Ley
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:13:17 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

    >not forgetting the monotonous architecture, that the streets and
    >pavements are frequently flooded knee deep with raw sewage, and there
    >are so many tourists, it's like Tokyo at chucking out time.

I much prefer Tokyo...

Jim.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 9:34 pm
  #131  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:27:23 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:13:17 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>not forgetting the monotonous architecture, that the streets and
    >>pavements are frequently flooded knee deep with raw sewage, and there
    >>are so many tourists, it's like Tokyo at chucking out time.
    >I much prefer Tokyo...

... if only they did too :-)

Our first success Eli :-)
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Old Dec 11th 2004, 1:29 am
  #132  
Deep Frayed Morgues
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:03:58 -0600, "Holly J. Sommer"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
    >message news:[email protected]...
    >> On 10 Dec 2004 05:28:58 -0800, "[email protected]"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Italy in general, and Rome in particular has an unfathomable amount
    >>>of history right there, at the very least of western culture history.
    >>>My first trip to Roma
    >> AAAAARGH!!!
    >> Drives me crazy when people use local rendering when speaking
    >> english!!!
    >> "Last time I was in Paree..."
    >> "In Barthelona, the people..."
    >> "Have you been to Deutschland?"
    >Eh, why?

Because it comes across as pretentious.

"Oh, I spent so much time in Praha, that I forgot the english name..."
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Old Dec 11th 2004, 2:51 am
  #133  
Frank F. Matthews
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[email protected] wrote:

    > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:26:48 +0100, Ellie C <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Jim Ley wrote:
    >>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:33:51 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:49 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>>oh even off hours I didn't find it very interesting, the architecture
    >>>>>wasn't that much different to elsewhere, it was just, oh look some
    >>>>>water where a road might be...
    >>>>With that definition you wouldn't be able to differentiate between
    >>>>B'ham UK, A'dam and Venice.
    >>>well, in some respects, the 3 do have different architecture, so they
    >>>can be told apart, but there was nothing "special" about venice,
    >>>especially when it was pretty dirty, and a lot of the time very busy,
    >>>and with all the industry focused on tourists.
    >>>Jim.
    >>Opinions obviously vary. I found Venice one of the most entrancing and
    >>visually gorgeous places I've ever been. I also loved listening to the
    >>choral groups singing in various little piazzas (not sure if that's the
    >>right word) on Sunday morning, the sound echoing off the surrounding
    >>stone. To me, and to my husband as well, Venice was a place of magic and
    >>wonder.
    >
    >
    > Me too!



Oh dear. Now you've gone and ruined the impact of your next posts.
 
Old Dec 11th 2004, 2:52 am
  #134  
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Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:

    > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>>Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
    >>>It is very sad, isn't it?
    >>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
    >
    >
    > Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
    > ---
    > DFM



It's more efficient to pour it back into the horse. This reduces one
more level of conversion.
 
Old Dec 11th 2004, 2:56 am
  #135  
nitram
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:52:47 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
    >> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected] m...
    >>>>>Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
    >>>>It is very sad, isn't it?
    >>>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
    >>
    >>
    >> Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?

    >It's more efficient to pour it back into the horse. This reduces one
    >more level of conversion.

Easier than getting it into a gnat.

This guy's website on beers has some interesting comments
http://www.xs4all.nl/~patto1ro/hollbrw1.htm#amstel
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