Europe Favorites
Dec 10th 2004, 3:59 am
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Re: Beer favourites was Europe Favorites
[email protected] wrote:
> >It
> >to find something to their taste in Belgium. (Kwak for me). UK
> >does not have such a wide range of styles readily available, but
> >there is much more emphasis on naturally conditioned draught
> >beer.
> I don't like Belgian beer.
You don't like Belgian beer or you don't like a particular Belgian beer? The
best beer I ever had in my life was in Belgium, followed closely by several
other varieties Belgian beers. There were two Belgian beers that I didn't
care for, but I would be more inclined to rate them generally on the basis of
those that I found to be superlative than to those with qualities I do not
appreciate.
> >It
> >to find something to their taste in Belgium. (Kwak for me). UK
> >does not have such a wide range of styles readily available, but
> >there is much more emphasis on naturally conditioned draught
> >beer.
> I don't like Belgian beer.
You don't like Belgian beer or you don't like a particular Belgian beer? The
best beer I ever had in my life was in Belgium, followed closely by several
other varieties Belgian beers. There were two Belgian beers that I didn't
care for, but I would be more inclined to rate them generally on the basis of
those that I found to be superlative than to those with qualities I do not
appreciate.
Dec 10th 2004, 4:27 am
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Re: Europe Favorites
Following up to [email protected]
>> If it was a "fell" I assume you were in the Lake district?
>Yes, the name of the town suddenly escapes me but it
>had some kitschy relationship to some collectable. Beatrix
>Potter? Bunnies come to mind.
Hawkshead?
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>> If it was a "fell" I assume you were in the Lake district?
>Yes, the name of the town suddenly escapes me but it
>had some kitschy relationship to some collectable. Beatrix
>Potter? Bunnies come to mind.
Hawkshead?
"http://www.visitcumbria.com/bpotter.htm"
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Dec 10th 2004, 4:27 am
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Re: Europe Favorites
Following up to [email protected]
>Did I mention that there is the nearest thing to a real pub in Italy
>on the banks of the big lake, which had English, German, and Belgian
>draft beers on sale.?
blimey, proper English beer?
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>Did I mention that there is the nearest thing to a real pub in Italy
>on the banks of the big lake, which had English, German, and Belgian
>draft beers on sale.?
blimey, proper English beer?
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Dec 10th 2004, 4:33 am
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Re: Europe Favorites
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:27:08 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to [email protected]
>>Did I mention that there is the nearest thing to a real pub in Italy
>>on the banks of the big lake, which had English, German, and Belgian
>>draft beers on sale.?
>blimey, proper English beer?
Yes.
The English beers were Fullers, according to Fuller's website quite
common in Italy.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to [email protected]
>>Did I mention that there is the nearest thing to a real pub in Italy
>>on the banks of the big lake, which had English, German, and Belgian
>>draft beers on sale.?
>blimey, proper English beer?
Yes.
The English beers were Fullers, according to Fuller's website quite
common in Italy.
--
Martin
Dec 10th 2004, 4:44 am
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"yvind Seland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected] .com>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>> England has some unique laws about foot paths which make it
>> particularly attractive to folks like myself and my wife. We
>> go on self guided walking vacations. We've done them in Ireland,
>> England, Scotland, France, and Italy. But there is no doubt that
>> the extensiveness of England's path is unique. It is apparently
>> connected to some quite old law with regard to "public pathways".
> In Sweden and Norway the laws are even simpler.
> You are allowed to walk everywhere except closer than a certain distance
> from the nearest house, (200 meters in Norway I think), and not in
> agricultural field/lawns etc., or in recently planted
> forest areas.
I was told by a visiting Swiss that the shoreline of all the lakes in
Switzerland is publically owned and available for walking--if it's walkable.
He was taken aback by the privately owned lake shore here (Seattle).
Marianne
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> In article <[email protected] .com>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>> England has some unique laws about foot paths which make it
>> particularly attractive to folks like myself and my wife. We
>> go on self guided walking vacations. We've done them in Ireland,
>> England, Scotland, France, and Italy. But there is no doubt that
>> the extensiveness of England's path is unique. It is apparently
>> connected to some quite old law with regard to "public pathways".
> In Sweden and Norway the laws are even simpler.
> You are allowed to walk everywhere except closer than a certain distance
> from the nearest house, (200 meters in Norway I think), and not in
> agricultural field/lawns etc., or in recently planted
> forest areas.
I was told by a visiting Swiss that the shoreline of all the lakes in
Switzerland is publically owned and available for walking--if it's walkable.
He was taken aback by the privately owned lake shore here (Seattle).
Marianne
Dec 10th 2004, 5:04 am
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Re: Europe Favorites
Hi,
I like Amsterdam and Paris as far as big cities go... Amsterdam being
the better bargain but Paris just has so much to offer.
joannington wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just wondering where everyones favorite place in Europe is... ive never
> been so I dont have one, just thought it would be interesting to hear
> other peoples
>
> :-)
>
> Jo
>
>
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I like Amsterdam and Paris as far as big cities go... Amsterdam being
the better bargain but Paris just has so much to offer.
joannington wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just wondering where everyones favorite place in Europe is... ive never
> been so I dont have one, just thought it would be interesting to hear
> other peoples
>
> :-)
>
> Jo
>
>
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Dec 10th 2004, 7:54 am
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[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> It's been more than "the moment". The exchange rate has been
> relatively unfavorable for the better part of 20 years. It's
> just extremely bad right now.
It's just been at a sustained high level for the last few years, that's
all. For most of the 90s it was quite a bit lower- sometimes hovering as
low as 1.5 dollars to the pound, and I rarely remember it being above
1.7. As I was receiving a lot of UK income, but living in the US, I
watched the exchange rates quite closely- fortnightly usually. I think
it was well above two to the pound in the early eighties though.
David
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[]
> It's been more than "the moment". The exchange rate has been
> relatively unfavorable for the better part of 20 years. It's
> just extremely bad right now.
It's just been at a sustained high level for the last few years, that's
all. For most of the 90s it was quite a bit lower- sometimes hovering as
low as 1.5 dollars to the pound, and I rarely remember it being above
1.7. As I was receiving a lot of UK income, but living in the US, I
watched the exchange rates quite closely- fortnightly usually. I think
it was well above two to the pound in the early eighties though.
David
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Dec 10th 2004, 9:29 am
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Re: Europe Favorites
| joannington wrote:
| > Just wondering where everyones favorite place in Europe is...
| > ive never been so I dont have one, just thought it would be
| > interesting to hear other peoples
There are so many great places and things to do, that I've held
off responding to this. Its difficult to think of a favorite...
Hiking in Switzerland... touring castles in Bavaria... wandering
the ruins of Pompeii... sunning on the beach at Cannes... nibbling
chocolate in Brussels... driving thru Tuscan hillsides... watching
the Lipizzaner stallions in Vienna... Its all good.
But to chose one place... Paris. With the Louvre, the elevator
ride up the Eiffel Tower (especially when its windy), a cruise on
the Seine, Notre Dame, Versailles... Its a fun, visitor-friendly city.
[R]
| > Just wondering where everyones favorite place in Europe is...
| > ive never been so I dont have one, just thought it would be
| > interesting to hear other peoples
There are so many great places and things to do, that I've held
off responding to this. Its difficult to think of a favorite...
Hiking in Switzerland... touring castles in Bavaria... wandering
the ruins of Pompeii... sunning on the beach at Cannes... nibbling
chocolate in Brussels... driving thru Tuscan hillsides... watching
the Lipizzaner stallions in Vienna... Its all good.
But to chose one place... Paris. With the Louvre, the elevator
ride up the Eiffel Tower (especially when its windy), a cruise on
the Seine, Notre Dame, Versailles... Its a fun, visitor-friendly city.
[R]
Dec 10th 2004, 3:40 pm
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Re: Europe Favorites
Dave Smith wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I think drinking extra cold fizzy tasteless liquid is going to replace
>>drinking real beer, it's one reason breweries are closing.
>
>
> We get what we deserve and large operations tend to modify their product
> to be the least offensive to the greatest number of people. We are also
> slaves to advertising and people are loyal to brands. According to
> something I read recently, in blind tastings people often expressed a
> preference for one thing, but in the non blind tastings they expressed a
> reference for their old favourites.
>
> Despite increasing numbers of light beers and other tasteless brews,
> around here there has been a steady increase in the number of micro
> breweries. There is good stuff out there if people if people will go to a
> little effort to get it.
>
> Around her we get liquor through government run stores, but there is a big
> push to privatize their operations and to sell beer and wine in
> convenience stores, and some are also selling liquor. While it may be
> convenient there is a drastic reduction in selection. They have limited
> shelf space and only sell the stuff that moves the most. While some may
> argue that this is quite reasonable in a free market economy the consumer
> suffers.
>
Around here there are lots of little places with limited selection and a
few places with an extremely broad selection. One very good local chain
has a number of examples of both types.
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>>I think drinking extra cold fizzy tasteless liquid is going to replace
>>drinking real beer, it's one reason breweries are closing.
>
>
> We get what we deserve and large operations tend to modify their product
> to be the least offensive to the greatest number of people. We are also
> slaves to advertising and people are loyal to brands. According to
> something I read recently, in blind tastings people often expressed a
> preference for one thing, but in the non blind tastings they expressed a
> reference for their old favourites.
>
> Despite increasing numbers of light beers and other tasteless brews,
> around here there has been a steady increase in the number of micro
> breweries. There is good stuff out there if people if people will go to a
> little effort to get it.
>
> Around her we get liquor through government run stores, but there is a big
> push to privatize their operations and to sell beer and wine in
> convenience stores, and some are also selling liquor. While it may be
> convenient there is a drastic reduction in selection. They have limited
> shelf space and only sell the stuff that moves the most. While some may
> argue that this is quite reasonable in a free market economy the consumer
> suffers.
>
Around here there are lots of little places with limited selection and a
few places with an extremely broad selection. One very good local chain
has a number of examples of both types.
Dec 10th 2004, 3:46 pm
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Re: Europe Favorites
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>It's been more than "the moment". The exchange rate has been
>>relatively unfavorable for the better part of 20 years. It's
>>just extremely bad right now.
>
>
> It's just been at a sustained high level for the last few years, that's
> all. For most of the 90s it was quite a bit lower- sometimes hovering as
> low as 1.5 dollars to the pound, and I rarely remember it being above
> 1.7. As I was receiving a lot of UK income, but living in the US, I
> watched the exchange rates quite closely- fortnightly usually. I think
> it was well above two to the pound in the early eighties though.
>
> David
>
For the pound for a small part of the 90s it was down under $1.30 to the
pound. Then it bounced between $1.50 and %1.70 or so fairly
consistently. Now, it's had a breakout on the up side but as you note
nowhere near $2.40 from years ago when the British & US penny were at
par. The US drop from the original relation to the euro is still far
less than the initial euro drop. We are simply seeing a small drop
after the recovery from a disaster for the euro. Of course the european
manufacturers loved the sales driven by the low euro.
> [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>It's been more than "the moment". The exchange rate has been
>>relatively unfavorable for the better part of 20 years. It's
>>just extremely bad right now.
>
>
> It's just been at a sustained high level for the last few years, that's
> all. For most of the 90s it was quite a bit lower- sometimes hovering as
> low as 1.5 dollars to the pound, and I rarely remember it being above
> 1.7. As I was receiving a lot of UK income, but living in the US, I
> watched the exchange rates quite closely- fortnightly usually. I think
> it was well above two to the pound in the early eighties though.
>
> David
>
For the pound for a small part of the 90s it was down under $1.30 to the
pound. Then it bounced between $1.50 and %1.70 or so fairly
consistently. Now, it's had a breakout on the up side but as you note
nowhere near $2.40 from years ago when the British & US penny were at
par. The US drop from the original relation to the euro is still far
less than the initial euro drop. We are simply seeing a small drop
after the recovery from a disaster for the euro. Of course the european
manufacturers loved the sales driven by the low euro.
Dec 10th 2004, 6:18 pm
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Re: Europe Favorites
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
>>It is very sad, isn't it?
>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
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DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
>>It is very sad, isn't it?
>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
---
DFM
Dec 10th 2004, 6:32 pm
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On 10 Dec 2004 05:28:58 -0800, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Italy in general, and Rome in particular has an unfathomable amount
>of history right there, at the very least of western culture history.
>My first trip to Roma
AAAAARGH!!!
Drives me crazy when people use local rendering when speaking
english!!!
"Last time I was in Paree..."
"In Barthelona, the people..."
"Have you been to Deutschland?"
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DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Italy in general, and Rome in particular has an unfathomable amount
>of history right there, at the very least of western culture history.
>My first trip to Roma
AAAAARGH!!!
Drives me crazy when people use local rendering when speaking
english!!!
"Last time I was in Paree..."
"In Barthelona, the people..."
"Have you been to Deutschland?"
---
DFM
Dec 10th 2004, 6:34 pm
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:29:08 +0100, "Gianandrea Gobbo"
<[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>|
>| The Italians aren't big drinkers, they drink in moderation,.
>| --
>Oh well... definitely not here in the north east! ;)
Certainly around Veneto the Italians are not afraid to get shitfaced.
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DFM
<[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>|
>| The Italians aren't big drinkers, they drink in moderation,.
>| --
>Oh well... definitely not here in the north east! ;)
Certainly around Veneto the Italians are not afraid to get shitfaced.
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DFM
Dec 10th 2004, 6:47 pm
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Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
>>>It is very sad, isn't it?
>>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
>Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
Jaysus, man, have you not got a titter of wit? It needs to be filtered
first, or it wrecks the plumbing.
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>On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:16:41 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"JohnT" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> Budweiser is becoming popular with young Irish drinkers.
>>>It is very sad, isn't it?
>>Highly efficient. The body doesn't have to convert it.
>Why not just pour it straight into the urinal?
Jaysus, man, have you not got a titter of wit? It needs to be filtered
first, or it wrecks the plumbing.
--
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Dec 10th 2004, 7:03 pm
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"Deep Frayed Morgues" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> On 10 Dec 2004 05:28:58 -0800, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Italy in general, and Rome in particular has an unfathomable amount
>>of history right there, at the very least of western culture history.
>>My first trip to Roma
> AAAAARGH!!!
> Drives me crazy when people use local rendering when speaking
> english!!!
> "Last time I was in Paree..."
> "In Barthelona, the people..."
> "Have you been to Deutschland?"
Eh, why? I mean, if someone were speaking Spanish, it'd be easier to
understand "New York" than "Nuevo York" (which is not the town's name, heh).
I'll use the local rendering when speaking or writing with people from that
country or area, generally. Thing is, you made two criticisms of
pronunciation, when the author you cite chose to go with a
differently-SPELLED word.
Just as a minor irritation, then: "I took a train from Praha to Roma once.
Wanted to stop in at least Koeln or the Bayern, but it wasn't possible,
given the time constraints." *grin*
-Holly
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> On 10 Dec 2004 05:28:58 -0800, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Italy in general, and Rome in particular has an unfathomable amount
>>of history right there, at the very least of western culture history.
>>My first trip to Roma
> AAAAARGH!!!
> Drives me crazy when people use local rendering when speaking
> english!!!
> "Last time I was in Paree..."
> "In Barthelona, the people..."
> "Have you been to Deutschland?"
Eh, why? I mean, if someone were speaking Spanish, it'd be easier to
understand "New York" than "Nuevo York" (which is not the town's name, heh).
I'll use the local rendering when speaking or writing with people from that
country or area, generally. Thing is, you made two criticisms of
pronunciation, when the author you cite chose to go with a
differently-SPELLED word.
Just as a minor irritation, then: "I took a train from Praha to Roma once.
Wanted to stop in at least Koeln or the Bayern, but it wasn't possible,
given the time constraints." *grin*
-Holly
