* Foot-and-mouth is a highly contagious viral disease which affects
cattle
* Symptoms include fever, lesions in the mouth and lameness
* The disease only crosses the species barrier from cattle to human
with very great difficulty
* The disease in humans is mild, short-lived and requires no medical
treatment

Defra has set up a helpline in response to the latest outbreak on
08459 335577

"Jim Webster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
> in message news:[email protected]...
>> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:31:19 +0100, "Pat
>> Gardiner" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>
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> Newsgroups: uk.business.agriculture
> From: "Pat Gardiner" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000
> Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54
> Subject: Personal to my friends
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> Personal to my friends
>
> I'm having a really terrible time.
>
> It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to pigs
> and circovirus.
>
> One day I well tell you the full story, God willing.
>
> Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters
> and lines as I have to.
>
> I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the
> stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest soon
> after.
>
> I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you
> would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day
> problems are pretty rough.
>
> Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs
> and TLC.
>
> Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own
> homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it?
>
> If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay
> 01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic

Yep. Stand by every word. Britain's State Veterinary Service is run by
criminals and you are a congenital liar determined to assist them.

I wonder if you realise what a little **** this makes you look. I appreciate
that you don't care. All publicity is good publicity isn't it Jim?
Especially when it leads to a nice quango.

As, I once told you, don't make me enjoy this. This is a duty call for a man
who now spends most of his time housebound. Actually, I'm bounding about
like an octanagarian at the moment ;o)

Anyway, this is not going to distract anyone from investigating some of your
activities. You are on pay. I'm not.

...and that makes all the difference.

I warned you about holding out. Miller is back and I have that certain
feeling he is not that happy.

You have upset a good many people in your scramble to set up a "nice little
earner."


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com



>
> Regard
> Pat Gardiner
>
>

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:38:59 +0100, "Jim Webster"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:31:19 +0100, "Pat
>> Gardiner" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>
> Pat Gardiner View profile
> More options 3 Feb, 00:54
>
> Newsgroups: uk.business.agriculture
> From: "Pat Gardiner" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000
> Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54
> Subject: Personal to my friends
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> original | Report this message | Find messages by this author
> Personal to my friends
>
> I'm having a really terrible time.
>
> It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to pigs
> and circovirus.
>
> One day I well tell you the full story, God willing.
>
> Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters
> and lines as I have to.
>
> I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the
> stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest soon
> after.
>
> I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you
> would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day
> problems are pretty rough.
>
> Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs
> and TLC.
>
> Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own
> homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it?
>
> If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay
> 01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic
>
> Regard
> Pat Gardiner
>

I wonder what the farmers guardian would have to say about bullyboy
Webster picking on a respected member of the group who is very ill,
and his bullying may just push yet another victim over the edge, which
is his obvious intention.

I guess some more letters of complaint will be in order, and not just
to your employees, just to see if they support your contemptible
tactics?

You don't learn do you dumbo!

"Gloria" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:38:59 +0100, "Jim Webster"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
>>in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:31:19 +0100, "Pat
>>> Gardiner" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>>
>>
>> Pat Gardiner View profile
>> More options 3 Feb, 00:54
>>
>> Newsgroups: uk.business.agriculture
>> From: "Pat Gardiner" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000
>> Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54
>> Subject: Personal to my friends
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>> original | Report this message | Find messages by this author
>> Personal to my friends
>>
>> I'm having a really terrible time.
>>
>> It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to
>> pigs
>> and circovirus.
>>
>> One day I well tell you the full story, God willing.
>>
>> Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters
>> and lines as I have to.
>>
>> I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the
>> stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest
>> soon
>> after.
>>
>> I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you
>> would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day
>> problems are pretty rough.
>>
>> Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs
>> and TLC.
>>
>> Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own
>> homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it?
>>
>> If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay
>> 01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic
>>
>> Regard
>> Pat Gardiner
>>
>
> I wonder what the farmers guardian would have to say about bullyboy
> Webster picking on a respected member of the group who is very ill,
> and his bullying may just push yet another victim over the edge, which
> is his obvious intention.

Worry not. Webster and his scummy mates won't push me over the edge. He will
bring the roof down on his head in the end.

As you will be seeing. Jonathon Miller was right. It was Pirbright.


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com
>
> I guess some more letters of complaint will be in order, and not just
> to your employees, just to see if they support your contemptible
> tactics?
>
> You don't learn do you dumbo!

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 22:10:11 +0100, "Pat Gardiner"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Gloria" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:38:59 +0100, "Jim Webster"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Doesn't Frequently Mop" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote
>>>in
>>>message news:[email protected]...
>>>> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:31:19 +0100, "Pat
>>>> Gardiner" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pat Gardiner View profile
>>> More options 3 Feb, 00:54
>>>
>>> Newsgroups: uk.business.agriculture
>>> From: "Pat Gardiner" <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:54:04 -0000
>>> Local: Sat 3 Feb 2007 00:54
>>> Subject: Personal to my friends
>>> Reply | Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show
>>> original | Report this message | Find messages by this author
>>> Personal to my friends
>>>
>>> I'm having a really terrible time.
>>>
>>> It seems that we have avian flu here. I'm pretty sure it is linked to
>>> pigs
>>> and circovirus.
>>>
>>> One day I well tell you the full story, God willing.
>>>
>>> Meantime, I will keep on-line as long as I can and move to other 'puters
>>> and lines as I have to.
>>>
>>> I really do have pancreatic cancer and it is pretty tough. Check the
>>> stats - 91 percent die within 16 weeks of diagnosis: most of the rest
>>> soon
>>> after.
>>>
>>> I'm now in the last couple of per cent and intend to say there - as you
>>> would expect. Remission is just about possible. But the day to day
>>> problems are pretty rough.
>>>
>>> Frankly, if they arrest me, I will be dead within 48 hours. I need drugs
>>> and TLC.
>>>
>>> Mrs Pat is completely frantic. A decent woman is scared stiff in her own
>>> homeamd not for the first time. That is not England is it?
>>>
>>> If I go missing, start raising hell. Don't delay
>>> 01986 788698 will get you Mrs Pat.... if not panic
>>>
>>> Regard
>>> Pat Gardiner
>>>
>>
>> I wonder what the farmers guardian would have to say about bullyboy
>> Webster picking on a respected member of the group who is very ill,
>> and his bullying may just push yet another victim over the edge, which
>> is his obvious intention.
>
>Worry not. Webster and his scummy mates won't push me over the edge. He will
>bring the roof down on his head in the end.
>
>As you will be seeing. Jonathon Miller was right. It was Pirbright.

Certainly looks a bit iffy!

The strain of foot-and-mouth found at a Surrey farm is identical to
one used at a nearby laboratory, says Defra.

Westwood Lane, the road into Wanborough, is blocked off twice -
firstly at the top, where access is only allowed to those living here
or with a press pass.

The second roadblock is impassable unless your business is directly
involved in trying to deal with this disease.

"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ...
>
> "charles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:
> >> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:51:46 +0100,
> >> "Knight Of The Road" <[email protected]> has scripted:
> >
> >> ><[email protected]> wrote
> >> >
> >> >> Animals on a farm near Guildford in Surrey have been found to be
> >> >> infected with foot-and-mouth disease.
> >> >>
> >> >> A 3km protection zone has been put in place around the premises and
a
> >> >> UK ban imposed on movement of all livestock.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Oh FFS, not again!
> >
> >> Why does this thing hit the UK so much more often than mainland
> >> Europe?
> >
> > Don't they vaccinate the cattle? or don't they panic and just keep
quiet
> > about it?
>
> FMD is now considered to have been eradicated in the EU, with new
outbreaks
> being linked to imported animals. Therefore, preventative vaccination was
> abandoned, as a matter of EU policy, because of the difficulty in
> differentiating between vaccinated and infected cattle, which could mask
the
> presence of a new outbreak. It is now only approved as a control
procedure -
> ring vaccination around an infected area. Prior to the 2001 outbreak,
there
> was not enough data available to create meaningful computer models of the
> spread of the disease. Data gathered during that outbreak makes ring
> vaccination a viable prospect this time.
>

Unfortunately, we're right within the Exclusion Zone!
Latest thought is that the virus 'escaped' from a nearby government lab that
manufactures the vaccine!

Surreyman

"a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] ...
>>
>> "charles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Doesn't Frequently Mop <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
> wrote:
>> >> Make credence recognised that on Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:51:46 +0100,
>> >> "Knight Of The Road" <[email protected]> has scripted:
>> >
>> >> ><[email protected]> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >> Animals on a farm near Guildford in Surrey have been found to be
>> >> >> infected with foot-and-mouth disease.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A 3km protection zone has been put in place around the premises and
> a
>> >> >> UK ban imposed on movement of all livestock.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Oh FFS, not again!
>> >
>> >> Why does this thing hit the UK so much more often than mainland
>> >> Europe?
>> >
>> > Don't they vaccinate the cattle? or don't they panic and just keep
> quiet
>> > about it?
>>
>> FMD is now considered to have been eradicated in the EU, with new
> outbreaks
>> being linked to imported animals. Therefore, preventative vaccination was
>> abandoned, as a matter of EU policy, because of the difficulty in
>> differentiating between vaccinated and infected cattle, which could mask
> the
>> presence of a new outbreak. It is now only approved as a control
> procedure -
>> ring vaccination around an infected area. Prior to the 2001 outbreak,
> there
>> was not enough data available to create meaningful computer models of the
>> spread of the disease. Data gathered during that outbreak makes ring
>> vaccination a viable prospect this time.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, we're right within the Exclusion Zone!
> Latest thought is that the virus 'escaped' from a nearby government lab
> that
> manufactures the vaccine!

If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not one that
normally infects animals but is one that was used in the laboratory within
the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable that the
outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.

Colin Bignell

"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not one
> that normally infects animals but is one that was used in the laboratory
> within the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable that
> the outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.
>
> Colin Bignell

yes, as you say, it gives us hope that the outbreak will be more localised
than feared.

As ever with these things, we now wait for the next IP, praying that we
don't get one

Jim Webster

nightjar <nightjar@ wrote:
> "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>> Unfortunately, we're right within the Exclusion Zone!
>> Latest thought is that the virus 'escaped' from a nearby government lab
>> that
>> manufactures the vaccine!
>
> If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not one that
> normally infects animals but is one that was used in the laboratory within
> the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable that the
> outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.

IIUC it is not that it is a strain that does not normally affect animals
but that it hasn't been seen in animals recently. I think I read
somewhere that it is the 1967 strain, which certainly did affect
animals. That does not alter the probability that it escaped from
Pirbright though.


--
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e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

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In message <[email protected]>, Jim Webster
<[email protected]> writes
>
>"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not one
>> that normally infects animals but is one that was used in the laboratory
>> within the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable that
>> the outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.
>>
>> Colin Bignell
>
>yes, as you say, it gives us hope that the outbreak will be more localised
>than feared.
>
>As ever with these things, we now wait for the next IP, praying that we
>don't get one

Fingers crossed that the Loseley House (Godalming) Battle Proms goes
ahead next Saturday. Can't go without my annual fix of the roar of
cannons and the screams of dying frogs and huns. I checked the Battle
Proms website earlier today and they were still flogging tickets.

--
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)

"jf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> In message <[email protected]>, Jim Webster
> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> > If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not
>>> one
>>> that normally infects animals but is one that was used in the laboratory
>>> within the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable
>>> that
>>> the outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.
>>>
>>> Colin Bignell
>>
>>yes, as you say, it gives us hope that the outbreak will be more localised
>>than feared.
>>
>>As ever with these things, we now wait for the next IP, praying that we
>>don't get one
>
> Fingers crossed that the Loseley House (Godalming) Battle Proms goes ahead
> next Saturday. Can't go without my annual fix of the roar of cannons and
> the screams of dying frogs and huns. I checked the Battle Proms website
> earlier today and they were still flogging tickets.

cannot help you on this one. It might depend on whether there are livestock
on the field at the moment that cannot be moved off (that was one problem in
2001)
Taking horses into the area is probably not on, but people shouldn't be an
issue.

Jim Webster

"Jim Webster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "jf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Jim Webster
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>>
>>>"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> > If not, it would be a remarkable coincidence that the strain is not
>>>> one
>>>> that normally infects animals but is one that was used in the
>>>> laboratory
>>>> within the past month. However, that also makes it far more probable
>>>> that
>>>> the outbreak is localised and can be successfully contained.
>>>>
>>>> Colin Bignell
>>>
>>>yes, as you say, it gives us hope that the outbreak will be more
>>>localised
>>>than feared.
>>>
>>>As ever with these things, we now wait for the next IP, praying that we
>>>don't get one
>>
>> Fingers crossed that the Loseley House (Godalming) Battle Proms goes
>> ahead next Saturday. Can't go without my annual fix of the roar of
>> cannons and the screams of dying frogs and huns. I checked the Battle
>> Proms website earlier today and they were still flogging tickets.
>
> cannot help you on this one. It might depend on whether there are
> livestock on the field at the moment that cannot be moved off (that was
> one problem in 2001)
> Taking horses into the area is probably not on, but people shouldn't be an
> issue.

Only the massed ranks of the SVS dodging helicopters whilst shooting
everything in sight.


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com


>
> Jim Webster
>

A health and safety inspection is being carried out at the
laboratories linked to the UK foot-and-mouth outbreak.


LATEST FACTS:
* Around 110 cattle culled
* 111,000 farms across UK affected by movement ban. That includes 10m
cattle, 23m sheep and 5m pigs.