Tom Peel

Frank Hucklenbroich schrieb:
> Am Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000 schrieb Troy Piggins:
>
>> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland
>> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which
>> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency.
>>
>> What I'm a little unsure of is:
>>
>> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw
>> border?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Does it involve getting out of the car?
>
> Depends. Normally you are waved through but sometimes they check your
> passport and take a look in the car, sometimes you have to open the back of
> the car so they have a look at the luggage. That goes mostly for the Swiss
> officers. They check for things like Alcohol or food (Switzerland is not in
> the EU, so you would have to pay customs if you bring in an box of wine or
> something like that).
>
>> Or is it all
>> pretty casual and just flash passports?
>
> It really depends. I often travel from Germany to Switzerland and sometimes
> they just wave you through without even bother lo look at the passports.
> But I also had it that I had to get out of the car, show all my papers
> (drivers licence, car papers, you name it), answer some questions ("Where
> do you go? For how long? Where you gonna stay?") and wait for about ten
> minutes before I got my paperwork back. Seems like spot checks if you ask
> me.
>
>> I've travelled around
>> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of
>> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy.
>
> They are all Schengen-Countries, so there are no check-points anymore at
> the border. You often don't even notice when you cross. With Switzerland it
> is different - not EU, not schengen (yet).
>
>> We /did/ stop
>> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If
>> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok.
>
> It is not a EU-country, so you could get checked.
>
>> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a
>> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we
>> already have Swiss Francs?
>
> I think they accept Euors. You need to buy a sticker that you attach to
> your windscreen, it's called "Vignette". You can already buy it at big gas
> stations on the motorway before you reach the border, that saves you the
> trouble of buying it right there and you are more likely to be waved
> through. The line for cars without the sticker is always a bit longer, as
> it takes a while for everyone to pay.

In the past, I've gotten through quicker on the line for cars without
stickers.

T.

> So it's a good idea to get the sticker in France allready, should be on
> sale at any big gas station near the border.
>
>> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards?
>
> Don't now about that. Gas stations take credit cards.
>
>> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy?
>
> Depends where you go. If you go through Tessin you have the funny situation
> of driving a few kms through Italy, come back into Switzerland, and later
> on to Italy again. Expect to be checked each time you cross from one
> country in another ;-)
>
> But in general, it's nothing to worry about. Once you don't have large
> amounts of food, alcohol or cash on you (e.g. more than 10.000 EUR), you
> should be fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank

PhredBear

<< Does it involve getting out of the car? >>

If you have a problem with mobility, you could buy one online:
https://www.swisstravelsystem.com/in...FQQdEgodWD1gDw

Look for 'Motorway Vignette'

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Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>stop when/where we want.

"we"?

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> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
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>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>stop when/where we want.
>
> "we"?
>
> )

Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
window.

Please don't tell her I said that...
:-)

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-Martin

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:52:19 +1000, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:

>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
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>> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
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>>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>>stop when/where we want.
>>
>> "we"?
>>
>> )
>
>Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
>window.

You could have problems during the flight unless you are sitting in front of
her in an open cockpit.
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Make credence recognised that on Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:52:19 +1000, Troy
Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:

>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
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>> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>
>>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>>stop when/where we want.
>>
>> "we"?
>>
>> )
>
>Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
>window.

Remind her to wind it down first.

>Please don't tell her I said that...
>:-)

No sex for a week if I do!
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>>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
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>>> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
>>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>>
>>>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>>>stop when/where we want.
>>>
>>> "we"?
>>>
>>> )
>>
>>Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
>>window.
>
> Remind her to wind it down first.
>
>>Please don't tell her I said that...
>>:-)
>
> No sex for a week if I do!

For you or me? I wouldn't notice the difference.

Oh shit, don't tell her I said that either!!

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Me

On 22 ao�t, 08:53, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
> * me is quoted & my replies are inline below :
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> > On 22 ao�t, 01:59, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Euros are accepted - as in most shops at least
> > near the border (but shops usually dont have
> > change in Euro - will be in CHF)
>
> Oh that's good to know. At least we can get into the country and
> worry about currency there.

And one more remark: gas is less expensive in Switzerland
than in France, Italy and Germany. Imho not really worth
crossing the border just for filling a gas-tank (nevertheless
plenty of foreign residents cross the border just for that
- leading to higher gas prices in Switzerland along the
border ....), but worth trying to take advantage of the
price difference when driving from France to Italy via
Switzerland

Same applies for trips via Luxemburg (from and to France,
Belgium, Germany) and a few other countries such
as Austria (from and to Italy and Germany) .....

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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:52:03 +1000, Troy
Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:

>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
>* :
>> Make credence recognised that on Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:52:19 +1000, Troy
>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
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>>>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
>>>* :
>>>> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
>>>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>>>
>>>>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>>>>stop when/where we want.
>>>>
>>>> "we"?
>>>>
>>>> )
>>>
>>>Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
>>>window.
>>
>> Remind her to wind it down first.
>>
>>>Please don't tell her I said that...
>>>:-)
>>
>> No sex for a week if I do!
>
>For you or me? I wouldn't notice the difference.
>
>Oh shit, don't tell her I said that either!!

Goddamn, I hope she's a fine cook!
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* me is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> On 22 ao�t, 08:53, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
>> * me is quoted & my replies are inline below :
>>
>> > On 22 ao�t, 01:59, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Euros are accepted - as in most shops at least
>> > near the border (but shops usually dont have
>> > change in Euro - will be in CHF)
>>
>> Oh that's good to know. At least we can get into the country and
>> worry about currency there.
>
> And one more remark: gas is less expensive in Switzerland
> than in France, Italy and Germany. Imho not really worth
> crossing the border just for filling a gas-tank (nevertheless
> plenty of foreign residents cross the border just for that
> - leading to higher gas prices in Switzerland along the
> border ...), but worth trying to take advantage of the
> price difference when driving from France to Italy via
> Switzerland

Great to know. Thanks for the tip.

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Troy Piggins

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>>>>> Make credence recognised that on Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:12:56 +1000, Troy
>>>>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to
>>>>>>stop when/where we want.
>>>>>
>>>>> "we"?
>>>>>
>>>>> )
>>>>
>>>>Yep. If I don't want to stop there she can puke out the damn
>>>>window.
>>>
>>> Remind her to wind it down first.
>>>
>>>>Please don't tell her I said that...
>>>>:-)
>>>
>>> No sex for a week if I do!
>>
>>For you or me? I wouldn't notice the difference.
>>
>>Oh shit, don't tell her I said that either!!
>
> Goddamn, I hope she's a fine cook!

She tried to make scrambled eggs once, and they turned out green!
Remind me again what I am doing???

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Luca Logi

Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think they accept Euors. You need to buy a sticker that you attach to
> your windscreen, it's called "Vignette". You can already buy it at big gas
> stations on the motorway before you reach the border, that saves you the
> trouble of buying it right there and you are more likely to be waved
> through. The line for cars without the sticker is always a bit longer, as
> it takes a while for everyone to pay.

When crossing the border between Italy and Switzerland at Como/Chiasso,
the Swiss officer takes care to divide cars with stickers, that are
often wawed through, from cars without stickers. You wait in your car
till a sticker seller comes to you. Sellers accepts euros (at a slightly
inflated rate), but I believe they do not take credit cards (it would be
a little impractical).

Swiss cars are often checked more throughly not only for alcohol but
even for trying to bring imported goods. I have Swiss friends that have
been stopped and told they were bringing too much sliced ham from Italy.

In the opposite sense, going from Switzerland to Italy, officers seem to
be more concerned about tax evasion (Italians having undeclared bank
accounts in Switzerland and bringing money and/or financial docs), so
Italian cars are more likely to be stopped.

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Make credence recognised that on Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:07:55 +1000, Troy
Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:

>* Doesn't Frequently Mop is quoted & my replies are inline below
>* :
>> Make credence recognised that on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:52:03 +1000, Troy
>> Piggins <[email protected]> has scripted:

>>>For you or me? I wouldn't notice the difference.
>>>
>>>Oh shit, don't tell her I said that either!!
>>
>> Goddamn, I hope she's a fine cook!
>
>She tried to make scrambled eggs once, and they turned out green!
>Remind me again what I am doing???

In a situation like yours, I find a bit of competition always improves
the service.
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 08:07:55 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, Troy Piggins
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... She tried to make scrambled eggs once, and they turned out green!
... Remind me again what I am doing???

Huh... buying old, rotten eggs?