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driving France->Switzerland->Italy
I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland
and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. What I'm a little unsure of is: - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we already have Swiss Francs? - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course we'll already have Euros. Just not sure what to expect. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy _ __ (_) __ _ __ _ ___ | '_ \| |/ _` |/ _` |/ _ \ | .__/|_|\__, |\__, |\___/ |_| |___/ |___/ |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000, Troy Piggins
<[email protected]> wrote: >I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. > >What I'm a little unsure of is: > >- Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw > border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all > pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around > by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of > France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop > at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If > Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. >- I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a > gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we > already have Swiss Francs? >- If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? >- Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course > we'll already have Euros. > >Just not sure what to expect. When I crossed into Switzerland four years ago there was a border control point; our passports were checked and then we were waved through. However, I was aware of the vignette needed for using the motorways so I asked about that and was directed to a booth to purchase it. From memory it was 40CHF. A "must" buy or you will be booked. If you cross into Austria before you enter Italy you will also need another vignette for their motorways. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* Alan S is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000, Troy Piggins > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >> >> What I'm a little unsure of is: >> >> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all >> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around >> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop >> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. >> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >> already have Swiss Francs? >> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? >> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course >> we'll already have Euros. >> >> Just not sure what to expect. > > When I crossed into Switzerland four years ago there was a > border control point; our passports were checked and then we > were waved through. And that was all done "in car" like at a toll booth? > However, I was aware of the vignette needed for using the > motorways so I asked about that and was directed to a booth to > purchase it. From memory it was 40CHF. A "must" buy or you will > be booked. Thanks. > If you cross into Austria before you enter Italy you will also > need another vignette for their motorways. Thanks again mate. -- Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy RLU#415538 ,-O (o- O O ) //\ O `-O V_/_ OOO |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
On Aug 21, 7:59 pm, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland > and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which > is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. > > What I'm a little unsure of is: > > - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw > border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all > pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around > by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of > France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop > at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If > Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. > - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a > gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we > already have Swiss Francs? > - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? > - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course > we'll already have Euros. > > Just not sure what to expect. Unless you're really going off the beaten track, you would probably find it a lot easier to take trains. |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* Iceman is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> On Aug 21, 7:59 pm, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >> >> What I'm a little unsure of is: >> >> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all >> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around >> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop >> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. >> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >> already have Swiss Francs? >> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? >> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course >> we'll already have Euros. >> >> Just not sure what to expect. > > Unless you're really going off the beaten track, you would probably > find it a lot easier to take trains. Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to stop when/where we want. Plus the freedom of being able to go any way we want. -- Troy Piggins |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
MOSTLY IN CAR EXCEPT IF YOU CARRY HEROINE OR ARE A LOOK ALIKE TO BEN LADEN
"Troy Piggins" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:[email protected]... >* Alan S is quoted & my replies are inline below : >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000, Troy Piggins >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >>> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >>> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >>> >>> What I'm a little unsure of is: >>> >>> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >>> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all >>> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around >>> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >>> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop >>> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >>> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. >>> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >>> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >>> already have Swiss Francs? >>> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? >>> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course >>> we'll already have Euros. >>> >>> Just not sure what to expect. >> >> When I crossed into Switzerland four years ago there was a >> border control point; our passports were checked and then we >> were waved through. > > And that was all done "in car" like at a toll booth? > >> However, I was aware of the vignette needed for using the >> motorways so I asked about that and was directed to a booth to >> purchase it. From memory it was 40CHF. A "must" buy or you will >> be booked. > > Thanks. > >> If you cross into Austria before you enter Italy you will also >> need another vignette for their motorways. > > Thanks again mate. > > -- > Troy Piggins | http://piggo.com/~troy > RLU#415538 ,-O (o- > O > O ) //\ > O > `-O V_/_ > OOO |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
No need to justify yourself
This is not the US, we live in free countries. "Troy Piggins" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:[email protected]... >* Iceman is quoted & my replies are inline below : >> On Aug 21, 7:59 pm, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >>> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >>> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >>> >>> What I'm a little unsure of is: >>> >>> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >>> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all >>> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around >>> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >>> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop >>> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >>> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. >>> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >>> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >>> already have Swiss Francs? >>> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? >>> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course >>> we'll already have Euros. >>> >>> Just not sure what to expect. >> >> Unless you're really going off the beaten track, you would probably >> find it a lot easier to take trains. > > Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to > stop when/where we want. Plus the freedom of being able to go > any way we want. > > -- > Troy Piggins |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* Runge3 is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> "Troy Piggins" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de > news:[email protected]... >>* Alan S is quoted & my replies are inline below : >>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000, Troy Piggins >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >>>> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >>>> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. [snip] >>> When I crossed into Switzerland four years ago there was a >>> border control point; our passports were checked and then we >>> were waved through. >> >> And that was all done "in car" like at a toll booth? >> >>> However, I was aware of the vignette needed for using the >>> motorways so I asked about that and was directed to a booth to >>> purchase it. From memory it was 40CHF. A "must" buy or you will >>> be booked. >> >> Thanks. >> >>> If you cross into Austria before you enter Italy you will also >>> need another vignette for their motorways. >> >> Thanks again mate. > > MOSTLY IN CAR EXCEPT IF YOU CARRY HEROINE OR ARE A LOOK ALIKE TO BEN LADEN What if I look like Mel Gibson? -- Troy Piggins |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
On 22 août, 01:59, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote:
< I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland < and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which < is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. < < What I'm a little unsure of is: < < - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw < border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all < pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around < by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of < France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop < at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If < Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. Switzerland is not member of the EU (means not toll union, custom check at border or border area possible) and Schengen agreement not in use yet (means at least in theory immigration check or procedure) In fact, there is little to no real check when crossing the border - to my experience ID-check when car licence plates dont "match" (from far away regions especially) if not on major highway entrances. ID-check unfrequent on major highway entrances (to much traffic .....), once in a while a car is checked for goods (especially with Swiss licence places when returning to the country) As you are just transiting to Italy, you dont have to declare goods, just make sure not having prohibited items (drugs mainly, weapons, but also proteced species ...). Rules are not really different from EU-countries, but might be worth having a look at http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en < - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a < gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we < already have Swiss Francs? Old constitution did not allow toll roads, but "vignette" is mandatory for most of the highway network. If you are not using highways, you dont need it - but if you enter the country on a highway (Basle, Geneva, Chiasso) and dont have one, you have to buy it. If you have enough time and depending what part of the country you plan to cross, using regular more scenic roads might be an option. Driving on a highway without "vignette" costs CHF 40 for the vignette and a CHF 100 fine. Be aware that the Grand-St-Bernard tunnel is a toll road - road is between Switzerland and Italy < - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? Euros are accepted - as in most shops at least near the border (but shops usually dont have change in Euro - will be in CHF) < - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course < we'll already have Euros. To my knowledge Grand-St-Bernard is the only toll road on the border - but many toll roads in Italy < Just not sure what to expect. Depends where. Check your itinerary for exemple using www.viamichelin.com (with or without highway section) Basically - relatively good roads, lots of road construction - agressive driving - driving in any larger city a mess, parking a challenge Regarding border crossing: I live in Switzerland near German-Swiss border for now 10 years, cross the border average twice a week at least. During this time I have been asked around 20 times for an ID, car papers checked once, and trunk checked once by German customs at the border .... and 2 times by German customs some 20 km from the border. On Swiss side, trunk checked twice at the border and once some 5 km from the border by Swiss customs. More and more entrance points are not manned permanently any more on Swiss side (especially not at night or the weekend - but random checking always possible) Have a great and safe trip! |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
Troy Piggins wrote:
> * Iceman is quoted & my replies are inline below : > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 7:59 pm, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland > >> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which > >> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. > > >> What I'm a little unsure of is: > > >> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw > >> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all > >> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around > >> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of > >> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop > >> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If > >> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. > >> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a > >> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we > >> already have Swiss Francs? > >> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? > >> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course > >> we'll already have Euros. > > >> Just not sure what to expect. > > > Unless you're really going off the beaten track, you would probably > > find it a lot easier to take trains. > > Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to > stop when/where we want. Plus the freedom of being able to go > any way we want. Try "entry from the rear" to cure that girlfriend's "motion sickness" problem... :-p -- Best Greg |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* me is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> On 22 août, 01:59, Troy Piggins <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >> >> What I'm a little unsure of is: >> >> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >> border? Does it involve getting out of the car? Or is it all >> pretty casual and just flash passports? I've travelled around >> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. We /did/ stop >> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. > > Switzerland is not member of the EU (means not toll > union, custom check at border or border area possible) > and Schengen agreement not in use yet (means at least > in theory immigration check or procedure) > > In fact, there is little to no real check when crossing > the border - to my experience ID-check when car > licence plates dont "match" (from far away regions > especially) if not on major highway entrances. > ID-check unfrequent on major highway entrances > (to much traffic ...), once in a while a car > is checked for goods (especially with Swiss > licence places when returning to the country) > > As you are just transiting to Italy, you dont have > to declare goods, just make sure not having > prohibited items (drugs mainly, weapons, but also > proteced species ...). Rules are not really different > from EU-countries, but might be worth having a look at > http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_privat/index.html?lang Thanks for the info! >> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >> already have Swiss Francs? > > Old constitution did not allow toll roads, but > "vignette" is mandatory for most of the highway > network. If you are not using highways, you dont > need it - but if you enter the country on a highway > (Basle, Geneva, Chiasso) and dont have one, > you have to buy it. If you have enough time > and depending what part of the country you plan > to cross, using regular more scenic roads might > be an option. Driving on a highway without > "vignette" costs CHF 40 for the vignette and > a CHF 100 fine. > Be aware that the Grand-St-Bernard tunnel is > a toll road - road is between Switzerland and Italy Ok. >> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? > > Euros are accepted - as in most shops at least > near the border (but shops usually dont have > change in Euro - will be in CHF) Oh that's good to know. At least we can get into the country and worry about currency there. >> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Of course >> we'll already have Euros. > > To my knowledge Grand-St-Bernard is the > only toll road on the border - but many toll > roads in Italy > >> Just not sure what to expect. > > Depends where. > Check your itinerary for exemple using > www.viamichelin.com (with or without highway > section) > > Basically > - relatively good roads, lots of road construction > - agressive driving > - driving in any larger city a mess, parking a challenge > > Regarding border crossing: I live in Switzerland > near German-Swiss border for now 10 years, > cross the border average twice a week at least. > During this time I have been asked around > 20 times for an ID, car papers checked once, > and trunk checked once by German customs > at the border ... and 2 times by German > customs some 20 km from the border. > On Swiss side, trunk checked twice at the > border and once some 5 km from the border > by Swiss customs. > > More and more entrance points are not manned > permanently any more on Swiss side (especially > not at night or the weekend - but random checking > always possible) > > Have a great and safe trip! Thanks again! -- Troy Piggins |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* Gregory Morrow is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> Troy Piggins wrote: > > [---=| Quote block shrinked by t-prot: 25 lines snipped |=---] >> >> we'll already have Euros. >> >> >> Just not sure what to expect. >> >> > Unless you're really going off the beaten track, you would probably >> > find it a lot easier to take trains. >> >> Girlfriend gets motion-sickness readily and need to be able to >> stop when/where we want. Plus the freedom of being able to go >> any way we want. > > Try "entry from the rear" to cure that girlfriend's "motion sickness" > problem... > > :-p Heh. You suggest that to her directly and see how long you live. -- Troy Piggins |
Re: AW: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
> What if I look like Mel Gibson?
The police officer might ask you for an autograph. Never mind the border controls, if you show your passport / ID card and have a toll sticker, you are waved through unless they suspect something or you happen to be the one for a random control. |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
Am Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000 schrieb Troy Piggins:
> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland > and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which > is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. > > What I'm a little unsure of is: > > - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw > border? Yes. > Does it involve getting out of the car? Depends. Normally you are waved through but sometimes they check your passport and take a look in the car, sometimes you have to open the back of the car so they have a look at the luggage. That goes mostly for the Swiss officers. They check for things like Alcohol or food (Switzerland is not in the EU, so you would have to pay customs if you bring in an box of wine or something like that). > Or is it all > pretty casual and just flash passports? It really depends. I often travel from Germany to Switzerland and sometimes they just wave you through without even bother lo look at the passports. But I also had it that I had to get out of the car, show all my papers (drivers licence, car papers, you name it), answer some questions ("Where do you go? For how long? Where you gonna stay?") and wait for about ten minutes before I got my paperwork back. Seems like spot checks if you ask me. > I've travelled around > by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of > France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. They are all Schengen-Countries, so there are no check-points anymore at the border. You often don't even notice when you cross. With Switzerland it is different - not EU, not schengen (yet). > We /did/ stop > at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If > Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. It is not a EU-country, so you could get checked. > - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a > gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we > already have Swiss Francs? I think they accept Euors. You need to buy a sticker that you attach to your windscreen, it's called "Vignette". You can already buy it at big gas stations on the motorway before you reach the border, that saves you the trouble of buying it right there and you are more likely to be waved through. The line for cars without the sticker is always a bit longer, as it takes a while for everyone to pay. So it's a good idea to get the sticker in France allready, should be on sale at any big gas station near the border. > - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? Don't now about that. Gas stations take credit cards. > - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? Depends where you go. If you go through Tessin you have the funny situation of driving a few kms through Italy, come back into Switzerland, and later on to Italy again. Expect to be checked each time you cross from one country in another ;-) But in general, it's nothing to worry about. Once you don't have large amounts of food, alcohol or cash on you (e.g. more than 10.000 EUR), you should be fine. Regards, Frank |
Re: driving France->Switzerland->Italy
* Frank Hucklenbroich is quoted & my replies are inline below :
> Am Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:59:10 +1000 schrieb Troy Piggins: > >> I've been reading about driving through France to Switzerland >> and on to Italy. Seems there are tolls in France and Italy which >> is easy enough because they're both Euro currency. >> >> What I'm a little unsure of is: >> >> - Do we need to go through a customs type process at the Fr/Sw >> border? > > Yes. > >> Does it involve getting out of the car? > > Depends. Normally you are waved through but sometimes they check your > passport and take a look in the car, sometimes you have to open the back of > the car so they have a look at the luggage. That goes mostly for the Swiss > officers. They check for things like Alcohol or food (Switzerland is not in > the EU, so you would have to pay customs if you bring in an box of wine or > something like that). > >> Or is it all >> pretty casual and just flash passports? > > It really depends. I often travel from Germany to Switzerland and sometimes > they just wave you through without even bother lo look at the passports. > But I also had it that I had to get out of the car, show all my papers > (drivers licence, car papers, you name it), answer some questions ("Where > do you go? For how long? Where you gonna stay?") and wait for about ten > minutes before I got my paperwork back. Seems like spot checks if you ask > me. > >> I've travelled around >> by bus before and we didn't need to stop at borders of >> France->Netherlands->Germany and Austria->Italy. > > They are all Schengen-Countries, so there are no check-points anymore at > the border. You often don't even notice when you cross. With Switzerland it > is different - not EU, not schengen (yet). > >> We /did/ stop >> at the Czech border and have passports and visas checked. If >> Switzerland was EU country I'd be more sure it'd be ok. > > It is not a EU-country, so you could get checked. > >> - I read there aren't toll roads in Switzerland, but you pay at a >> gate at the border. Do they accept Euros there, or must we >> already have Swiss Francs? > > I think they accept Euors. You need to buy a sticker that you attach to > your windscreen, it's called "Vignette". You can already buy it at big gas > stations on the motorway before you reach the border, that saves you the > trouble of buying it right there and you are more likely to be waved > through. The line for cars without the sticker is always a bit longer, as > it takes a while for everyone to pay. > So it's a good idea to get the sticker in France allready, should be on > sale at any big gas station near the border. > >> - If not, they probably take Visa/credit cards? > > Don't now about that. Gas stations take credit cards. > >> - Any similar issues going from Switzerland->Italy? > > Depends where you go. If you go through Tessin you have the funny situation > of driving a few kms through Italy, come back into Switzerland, and later > on to Italy again. Expect to be checked each time you cross from one > country in another ;-) > > But in general, it's nothing to worry about. Once you don't have large > amounts of food, alcohol or cash on you (e.g. more than 10.000 EUR), you > should be fine. > > Regards, > > Frank Thanks for your detailed explanations, Frank. -- Troy Piggins |
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