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Old Jun 9th 2003, 8:04 pm
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Norman Perlmutter
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I will leaving in a week for a 2 month backpacking trip in
Europe, mostly in Spain and Italy, but also some other countries, and
am currently exploring various daypack options.
I will carry all my gear from city to city in a large
backpack, with the exception of my most valuable items (cash, credit
card, ATM card, railpass, plane tickets, and passport), which I will
keep in my money belt under my clothing at all times. (I will also
carry a small amount of cash (about 20 euros) in my front pocket in a
wallet, though the majority of it will be in the money belt.)
But I still have to figure out the best type of daypack to
carry stuff around during the day. My goal is to have a convenient
way to carry stuff around while minimizing my chance of being robbed.
I have to decide between a waist pack, a "mini backpack" (625
cubic inches) a normal sized daypack (about twice as big as the mini
pack).
I have heard that waist packs tend to attract theives, and a
waistpack would be too small to hold all my stuff, anyway, so I
probably won't go with that option.
The mini backpack is big enough to hold all my stuff, and a
bit more compact than the larger daypack (so it would take up less
space in my main pack), but I am afraid that it might be more
attractive to theives due to its style. For one thing, it might mark
me out as more of a tourist. Also, it has long, thin straps, which I
imagine would be easier to cut than the mostly padded straps on the
larger pack.
The stuff I will carry around during the day will probably be
a guidebook, a map, a cheap ($20 U.S.) pair of binoculars, a
pocketknife, my journal, a pen, a water bottle, an electronic
translator, and a cheap (probably disposable) camera.
Is any of this stuff valuable enough that a thief would
actually want to steal it, or am I only at risk if my pack is taken by
someone who expects to find something else inside? I would guess that
the translator or pocketknife might be the most valuable to a thief.
In that case, would I be safer carrying them in my front pocket, or
are they just as safe in a backpack? From a different angle, the
journal would have the most value to me personally, from an emotional
standpoint, in spite of its lack of material value. Perhaps I should
carry it in my pocket, or leave it locked up in my hostel during the
day.
In general, are there any other things I can do to minimize
the chance of having my daypack stolen? Or maybe I should just lighten
up and not worry quite so much about theft?
Thank you in advance for your input.

Norman Perlmutter
 
Old Jun 9th 2003, 8:37 pm
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R@L
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In general, are there any other things I can do to minimize
    > the chance of having my daypack stolen? Or maybe I should just lighten
    > up and not worry quite so much about theft?
    > Thank you in advance for your input.
    > Norman Perlmutter

First of all Spain and Italy are not very criminal countries for tourists.
The only places thieves will steel from backpacks are crowded
markets -everywhere in the world- so keep your backpack in front of you or
carry it by hand in those circumstances.
Lightening up is always the good thing to do.

Have a good time,

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Old Jun 9th 2003, 8:45 pm
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[email protected] (Norman Perlmutter) wrote:

    >In general, are there any other things I can do to minimize
    >the chance of having my daypack stolen? Or maybe I should just lighten
    >up and not worry quite so much about theft?

Don't worry so much about theft. Everybody is walking around with
small backpacks all the time. Just keep it with you and you'll be
fine.

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Old Jun 9th 2003, 9:36 pm
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Miss L.Toe
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"Norman Perlmutter" wrote in message
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    > I will leaving in a week for a 2 month backpacking trip in
    > Europe, mostly in Spain and Italy, but also some other countries, and
    > am currently exploring various daypack options.
    > I will carry all my gear from city to city in a large
    > backpack, with the exception of my most valuable items (cash, credit
    > card, ATM card, railpass, plane tickets, and passport), which I will
    > keep in my money belt under my clothing at all times. (I will also
    > carry a small amount of cash (about 20 euros) in my front pocket in a
    > wallet, though the majority of it will be in the money belt.)

I would keep more than that in your front pocket, and maybe an out of date,
de magnetised, credit card with the signature scribbled out as well, then in
the very unlikely scenario of being mugged a thief may believe that is all
your cash and CC's. I would also keep some cash in the main backpack, just
in case a serious mugger gets the money belt as well.

    > But I still have to figure out the best type of daypack to
    > carry stuff around during the day. My goal is to have a convenient
    > way to carry stuff around while minimizing my chance of being robbed.
    > I have to decide between a waist pack, a "mini backpack" (625
    > cubic inches) a normal sized daypack (about twice as big as the mini
    > pack).
    > I have heard that waist packs tend to attract theives, and a
    > waistpack would be too small to hold all my stuff, anyway, so I
    > probably won't go with that option.
    > The mini backpack is big enough to hold all my stuff, and a
    > bit more compact than the larger daypack (so it would take up less
    > space in my main pack), but I am afraid that it might be more
    > attractive to theives due to its style. For one thing, it might mark
    > me out as more of a tourist. Also, it has long, thin straps, which I
    > imagine would be easier to cut than the mostly padded straps on the
    > larger pack.
    > The stuff I will carry around during the day will probably be
    > a guidebook, a map, a cheap ($20 U.S.) pair of binoculars, a
    > pocketknife,

carrying a knife is illegal in the UK, I dont know about other countries.

    > In general, are there any other things I can do to minimize
    > the chance of having my daypack stolen? Or maybe I should just lighten
    > up and not worry quite so much about theft?

Lighten up - it doesn't happen very often, but be prepared (copies of
passport and other documents available on web based email for example).
 
Old Jun 9th 2003, 9:59 pm
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"Miss L.Toe" wrote in message
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    > carrying a knife is illegal in the UK, I dont know about other countries.


Poor boyscouts.......

It's O.K. to carry a pocketknife smaller than 10 cm in most other countries
in the EU.

Ronald


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Old Jun 9th 2003, 10:19 pm
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"Miss L.Toe" wrote:

    >carrying a knife is illegal in the UK, I dont know about other countries.
Are you sure? I have carried one there -- blade about 5 cm. long,
rounded tip. Was I outside the law?

PB
 
Old Jun 9th 2003, 11:11 pm
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Miss L.Toe
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"Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
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    > "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
    > >carrying a knife is illegal in the UK, I dont know about other countries.
    > >
    > Are you sure? I have carried one there -- blade about 5 cm. long,
    > rounded tip. Was I outside the law?
    > PB

Looks like 3" or less and foldable is OK.
http://www.ukoutdoorstore.co.uk/safeknifeuse.html
who says size doesnt matter ?
 
Old Jun 10th 2003, 2:43 am
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"Norman Perlmutter" wrote in message
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    > I will leaving in a week for a 2 month backpacking trip in
    > Europe, mostly in Spain and Italy, but also some other countries, and
    > am currently exploring various daypack options.
    > I will carry all my gear from city to city in a large
    > backpack, with the exception of my most valuable items (cash, credit
    > card, ATM card, railpass, plane tickets, and passport), which I will
    > keep in my money belt under my clothing at all times. (I will also
    > carry a small amount of cash (about 20 euros) in my front pocket in a
    > wallet, though the majority of it will be in the money belt.)
    > But I still have to figure out the best type of daypack to
    > carry stuff around during the day. My goal is to have a convenient
    > way to carry stuff around while minimizing my chance of being robbed.
    > I have to decide between a waist pack, a "mini backpack" (625
    > cubic inches) a normal sized daypack (about twice as big as the mini
    > pack)................................

This has been discussed here almost as many times as "how not to look like a
tourist" or, "tipping in Lower Slobovia", and you will get a great many
suggestions. Here's what I do and always have and always will:

I walk around with a daypack slung over my shoulder which contains my wallet
(money, cars, etc), passport, water, camera, map/book, journal, pens.....
I do not and have never used a money belt, from Africa to India to Spain to
Italy. I truly believe that if you keep money in your shoe, a bit more in a
money belt, TC records in your underwear, another copy in your luggage, etc,
you are being overly cautious and in all likelyhood will walk around
clutching whatever you are carrying so close to your body, that you may as
well have the words "ROB ME" emblazoned on your forehead. This is only a
mild exaggeration for comedic purposes, but I do honestly feel that if you
go somewhere expecting trouble, you're almost sure to find it. If, on the
other hand, your comportment suggests confidence and assertivness, you'll
most probably be left alone. In many many years of travel, I have yet to
even sniff trouble of any kind (save for one Indonesian immigration officer
on the take...).

Bob

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Old Jun 10th 2003, 3:47 am
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Here's my recommendation. From my experience of traveling I have found that a messenger type bag works best for me. I've used a backpack but it gets too hot for my back. Also if you need something you have to take it off. Also in the stores you have to take it off or else suffer breaking something by bumping into it. With a messenger bag you can have the strap over your body so a theif can't do a grab and run. Also if you need something out of your bag, you can easly swing the bag to the front of you
r body, never taking the bag off of your body. Same in the stores, just swing it infront of your body and it's much easier to manuver.

A hip pack or a fanny pack will flag you as a tourist. Try not to advertise yourself to the potentional theif or pan handler.

The messenger bag should be cheap in case it DOES get stolen or lost. I got mine at the Gap store for $10. It's black and is big enough to store a small jacket inside but not too big. Check eagle creek website for examples of messenger bags if you don't know what I'm talking about.

http://www.eaglecreek.com/everyday_bags.html It's like the Matrix lines.

Oh my bag was big enough to carry a water bottle, store purchases, and maps. Just make sure nothing too valuable are inside. And make sure there's a zipper or velcore to keep the hands of pickpocker away.

-Teak
 
Old Jun 10th 2003, 4:21 am
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There is no way to avoid being "marked" as a tourist. Wear your daypack in
front of you if you worry about theft. And yes, lighten up.


"Norman Perlmutter" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I will leaving in a week for a 2 month backpacking trip in
    > Europe, mostly in Spain and Italy, but also some other countries, and
    > am currently exploring various daypack options.
    > I will carry all my gear from city to city in a large
    > backpack, with the exception of my most valuable items (cash, credit
    > card, ATM card, railpass, plane tickets, and passport), which I will
    > keep in my money belt under my clothing at all times. (I will also
    > carry a small amount of cash (about 20 euros) in my front pocket in a
    > wallet, though the majority of it will be in the money belt.)
    > But I still have to figure out the best type of daypack to
    > carry stuff around during the day. My goal is to have a convenient
    > way to carry stuff around while minimizing my chance of being robbed.
    > I have to decide between a waist pack, a "mini backpack" (625
    > cubic inches) a normal sized daypack (about twice as big as the mini
    > pack).
    > I have heard that waist packs tend to attract theives, and a
    > waistpack would be too small to hold all my stuff, anyway, so I
    > probably won't go with that option.
    > The mini backpack is big enough to hold all my stuff, and a
    > bit more compact than the larger daypack (so it would take up less
    > space in my main pack), but I am afraid that it might be more
    > attractive to theives due to its style. For one thing, it might mark
    > me out as more of a tourist. Also, it has long, thin straps, which I
    > imagine would be easier to cut than the mostly padded straps on the
    > larger pack.
    > The stuff I will carry around during the day will probably be
    > a guidebook, a map, a cheap ($20 U.S.) pair of binoculars, a
    > pocketknife, my journal, a pen, a water bottle, an electronic
    > translator, and a cheap (probably disposable) camera.
    > Is any of this stuff valuable enough that a thief would
    > actually want to steal it, or am I only at risk if my pack is taken by
    > someone who expects to find something else inside? I would guess that
    > the translator or pocketknife might be the most valuable to a thief.
    > In that case, would I be safer carrying them in my front pocket, or
    > are they just as safe in a backpack? From a different angle, the
    > journal would have the most value to me personally, from an emotional
    > standpoint, in spite of its lack of material value. Perhaps I should
    > carry it in my pocket, or leave it locked up in my hostel during the
    > day.
    > In general, are there any other things I can do to minimize
    > the chance of having my daypack stolen? Or maybe I should just lighten
    > up and not worry quite so much about theft?
    > Thank you in advance for your input.
    > Norman Perlmutter
 
Old Jun 10th 2003, 5:27 am
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:36:06 +0100, "Miss L.Toe" wrote:


    >carrying a knife is illegal in the UK, I dont know about other countries.

It is?

http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html

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Old Jun 10th 2003, 7:07 am
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Teak
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Peter L wrote:

    > There is no way to avoid being "marked" as a tourist. Wear your daypack in
    > front of you if you worry about theft. And yes, lighten up.

I bet you think I'm a tourist if you saw me in London or Paris or Tokyo with my Nascar T-shirt, bright color nike basketball shoes, addias pants, and my Canon SLR camera around my neck. And my wonderful hat that has "TEXAS TECH" on it. Oh don't forget my Coors Light backpack.

-Teak
 
Old Jun 10th 2003, 10:10 am
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Pete writes:

    > It is?

A screwdriver is an offensive weapon in the U.K.? What about pens and
pencils, then?

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Old Jun 10th 2003, 10:11 am
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Teak writes:

    > I bet you think I'm a tourist if you saw me in London or
    > Paris or Tokyo with my Nascar T-shirt, bright color nike
    > basketball shoes, addias pants, and my Canon SLR camera
    > around my neck. And my wonderful hat that has "TEXAS TECH"
    > on it. Oh don't forget my Coors Light backpack.

Tourists are easy to spot no matter how they dress.

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