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On 18 Jun 2005 08:25:05 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >Nige wrote:
    >> I have had experience of Romanians outside of Romania and therefore would
    >> not put going to Romania on the top of my 'wish list' .
    >I spent 2 weeks in Romania and put Romanians slightly ahead of Poles
    >but miles ahead of Bulgarians. Bucharest seems to bring out the worst
    >in people though, what else do you expect from a city.

It's a proper turd of a city. Really like Paris gone to hell. Not a
good introduction to an otherwise astonishing country.

I am glad I saw it a few years ago, as it's going to (deservedly)
become popular.
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On 18 Jun 2005 20:38:26 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >I loved Romania. Perhaps it was because I had a wonderful Romanian
    >colleague in Toronto. Romanians, part Latin, part Slav, are truly
    >unique and quite fascinating (and the women are gorgeous).

It's a pity their teeth are often completely rotten!

    >Take the country for what it is: A former communist dictatorship that
    >isn't doing to good. Bucharest isn't the most exciting (or safe)
    >place on earth, but the Palace deserves a visit. If you had any
    >communist leanings before visiting, they will go out the window.

They should have shot Ceaucescu 20 years earlier than they did.

    >Romania is also on the way to Turkey.
    >Like the French, Romanians complain a lot. Unlike the French, they
    >complain about themselves, their family and their country. In that
    >sense, it is refreshing. However, there are certainly poorer places and
    >many Romanians seem to think they are the only poor people on the
    >planet.
    >Ethnic tensions are just beneath the surface. Gypsies (Roma) are
    >particularly identifiable victims of this.

I have no sympathy for the Roma after spending over a month travelling
around, and having never seen one of them do anything apart from beg
or try to steal from me. Me and my female travelling companion laughed
uncomfortably when we saw a local kid an annoying one in the arse!

    >I saw two kids, maybe age 10, sniffing glue on the subway in Bucharest.
    >It was shocking to say the least. However, I know it is a problem right
    >here in Canada (on Indian reserves).

They are right into some stuff called aurolac which is readily
available and cheap. I am not sure exactly what it is, and what it's
effects are, but they seem to get hypnotised on it for extended
periods.
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oneofcold

"This county could be in the European Economic Community in the next
few years. Why?"

Cheap labor?

Strand

Hey...! A lot of paranoyd racists our there in the good old western
world! You were force fed enough with political correctness and now you
vomit back some of your civilised manners all over the stupid and
primitive Romanians, Poles, Bulgarians and you name it.
I studied for a good number of years in a western european country and
it is not a secret to me that, like everywhere, in the "civilised"
countries also there are people with lower IQs, corrupt politicians,
people who cheat, who steal, who rape women (and men), abuse and kill
children, piss in the subways, put their dirty feet up on the seat
opposite to them in trains, stick their chewing gum on furniture or are
as cultured an an ass.
Well, should we Romanians, therefore, say that all Brits and all
Americans and all Germans are trash?
Perhaps you think you deserve a medal because your contries had a head
start, by exploiting the third world, and have now better economies and
more money.
The gyspies stayd with us long enough, so now we let you have some of
them too. Like in Romania, they do in Madrid what they know best... And
Romanians too -- it's not always that our finest people go to other
countries...
But there are loads of good professionals, famous scholars and hard
working and honest Romanians who work have lived and worked in other
countries for many years. Canada is still recruiting IT programmers,
engineers and social workers from Romania. Britain is recruiting nurses,
social workers and doctors. Italy is recruiting nurses and personnel for
hotels and restaurants.
So things are not as one sided as you guys say they are.
[email protected] is probably an angry young Romanian who emigrated
and suffers now from cognitive dissonance & would like to justify his
choice. (I liked your parody though! But I must say that I never heard
of that thing with the goat's blood. Did you invent it?)
Gregory Morrow, how do you know that people from the Balkans are stupid?
You see, just between us, your co-nationals are not viewed as the
sharperst tools in the box in our parts of the world either. Perhaps
this is compeltely wrong, but Romanians think that 90% of the Americans
don't know who Caesar or Napoleon was, or would tell you that Beethoven
was a famous dog and Romania was in Africa... And they think that
Americans are so stupid that they wouldn't even be embarassed about
their ignorance.
Nige, I had problems with Romanians myself, believe me! Some of them are
just hopeless. But why not meet others who are not like that?
michaelnewport@yahoo, yes, Bucharest has some nice bits, but its people
are not great -- but hey, are londoners great? Or New Yorkers? You
should visit other parts: Transylvania, Banat...

I'll give you some links to pages created by intelligent non-Romanians
who have visited Romania and came to a different conclusion than some of
you guys.
But to see beyond the surface is a hard exercise. Well rested brains
start aching when they make the effort to think.

http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/Romania/Romania.htm
http://www.klmphoto.com/
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/...sp?story=485851
http://travel.independent.co.uk/the...sp?story=416917
http://www.wordsontheworld.com/articles/romania1.htm
http://www.castles.org/castles/Euro.../Bran/index.htm
http://www.castles.org/castles/Euro...odora/index.htm
http://www.johnrausch.com/Maramures/

And I could go on...

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michaelnewport

strand wrote:
    > Hey...! A lot of paranoyd racists our there in the good old western
    > world! You were force fed enough with political correctness and now you
    > vomit back some of your civilised manners all over the stupid and
    > primitive Romanians, Poles, Bulgarians and you name it.
    > I studied for a good number of years in a western european country and
    > it is not a secret to me that, like everywhere, in the "civilised"
    > countries also there are people with lower IQs, corrupt politicians,
    > people who cheat, who steal, who rape women (and men), abuse and kill
    > children, piss in the subways, put their dirty feet up on the seat
    > opposite to them in trains, stick their chewing gum on furniture or are
    > as cultured an an ass.
    > Well, should we Romanians, therefore, say that all Brits and all
    > Americans and all Germans are trash?
    > Perhaps you think you deserve a medal because your contries had a head
    > start, by exploiting the third world, and have now better economies and
    > more money.
    > The gyspies stayd with us long enough, so now we let you have some of
    > them too. Like in Romania, they do in Madrid what they know best... And
    > Romanians too -- it's not always that our finest people go to other
    > countries...
    > But there are loads of good professionals, famous scholars and hard
    > working and honest Romanians who work have lived and worked in other
    > countries for many years. Canada is still recruiting IT programmers,
    > engineers and social workers from Romania. Britain is recruiting nurses,
    > social workers and doctors. Italy is recruiting nurses and personnel for
    > hotels and restaurants.
    > So things are not as one sided as you guys say they are.
    > [email protected] is probably an angry young Romanian who emigrated
    > and suffers now from cognitive dissonance & would like to justify his
    > choice. (I liked your parody though! But I must say that I never heard
    > of that thing with the goat's blood. Did you invent it?)
    > Gregory Morrow, how do you know that people from the Balkans are stupid?
    > You see, just between us, your co-nationals are not viewed as the
    > sharperst tools in the box in our parts of the world either. Perhaps
    > this is compeltely wrong, but Romanians think that 90% of the Americans
    > don't know who Caesar or Napoleon was, or would tell you that Beethoven
    > was a famous dog and Romania was in Africa... And they think that
    > Americans are so stupid that they wouldn't even be embarassed about
    > their ignorance.
    > Nige, I had problems with Romanians myself, believe me! Some of them are
    > just hopeless. But why not meet others who are not like that?
    > michaelnewport@yahoo, yes, Bucharest has some nice bits, but its people
    > are not great -- but hey, are londoners great? Or New Yorkers? You
    > should visit other parts: Transylvania, Banat...
    > I'll give you some links to pages created by intelligent non-Romanians
    > who have visited Romania and came to a different conclusion than some of
    > you guys.
    > But to see beyond the surface is a hard exercise. Well rested brains
    > start aching when they make the effort to think.
    > http://www.leafpile.com/TravelLog/Romania/Romania.htm
    > http://www.klmphoto.com/
    > http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/...sp?story=485851
    > http://travel.independent.co.uk/the...sp?story=416917
    > http://www.wordsontheworld.com/articles/romania1.htm
    > http://www.castles.org/castles/Euro.../Bran/index.htm
    > http://www.castles.org/castles/Euro...odora/index.htm
    > http://www.johnrausch.com/Maramures/
    > And I could go on...
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no London Police ever asked to see my dollar bills to check if they
were false !

Estupendo

A weird tale from Romania -

A Romanian Orthodox priest who faces a murder charge after ordering the
crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil" was
unrepentant as he conducted a funeral mass for his alleged victim.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/ixworld.html

michaelnewport

estupendo wrote:
    > A weird tale from Romania -
    > A Romanian Orthodox priest who faces a murder charge after ordering the
    > crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil" was
    > unrepentant as he conducted a funeral mass for his alleged victim.
    > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...0/ixworld.html

we heard other weird tales from a Hungarian, but I concluded that he
had a problem with Romanians.

Strand

Yes, I've seen the story on TV. When they interviewed him, the "priest"
sounded like he was insane. They formed some kind of cult there at a
newly founded monastery.
Today the forensic specialists announced officially the cause of death.
I haven't heard that the nun was crucified, just that she was chained
and not given any food or water for three days. She was probably mentaly
ill herself, but the "priest" and other 4 nuns thought she was posessed
by the devil and wanted to exorcise her through beating, isolation and
starvation.
The 5 people involved have been charged with "privation of liberty"
(kidnapping?) and manslaughter, and if proved guilty face prison
sentences between 15 and 25 years.
The Orthodox hierarchy decided to close down the monastery and the other
20 nuns will go to other monasteries.

A very sad story! Virtually the whole country was appaled by what
happened.

Any generalisations on the basis of this case about the whole Romanian
nation would be mistaken.

Similarly, I do not believe that the American nation can be
caractherised on the basis of the hundreds of similar cases that
happened in America and have been amply documented in the press. When I
was just a child, about 30 years ago, I remember about mass suicides
instigated by the cult leader Jim Jones. His cult was called he People's
Temple, I think. Since then, there were hundreds of other cases.
Perhaps less frightening, but very damaging psychologically and in other
respects too, there are many cases of abuse in the name of spiritual
things in the UK. I was approached when I lived in London by members of
The Church of Christ. I found out about them that their young people
live in common houses were there are draconian rules and the leaders
play on people's feelings of guilt (you never do enough prayer,
evangelism etc etc.). Those who get out of this cult need special
therapy to become normal again.
Also, extreme branches of the charismatic movement would insist on
exorcisms (including beatings and isolation) until the person involved
becomes a nervous wreck.
Should I also mention the widespread pagan religious practices, satanism
and witchcraft in Britain? All of these have dodgy practices which
damage people's minds and sometimes their bodies too.

..Should I also say: "A Frenchman told me that the Brits were wired,
but I thought that he had a problem with the Brits.."????

Strand

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fisherofsouls

estupendo wrote:
    > <SNIP>
    > Maybe Romania is safer than the rest of Europe because of this ? But I
    > would not want to travel anywhere near this country until I knew what
    > principles they stood for.
    > <SNIP>

Absolutely: I'd insist on a full ethical audit of Spain before even
thinking of buying a ticket to Majorca !

michaelnewport

strand wrote:
    > Yes, I've seen the story on TV. When they interviewed him, the "priest"
    > sounded like he was insane. They formed some kind of cult there at a
    > newly founded monastery.
    > Today the forensic specialists announced officially the cause of death.
    > I haven't heard that the nun was crucified, just that she was chained
    > and not given any food or water for three days. She was probably mentaly
    > ill herself, but the "priest" and other 4 nuns thought she was posessed
    > by the devil and wanted to exorcise her through beating, isolation and
    > starvation.
    > The 5 people involved have been charged with "privation of liberty"
    > (kidnapping?) and manslaughter, and if proved guilty face prison
    > sentences between 15 and 25 years.
    > The Orthodox hierarchy decided to close down the monastery and the other
    > 20 nuns will go to other monasteries.
    > A very sad story! Virtually the whole country was appaled by what
    > happened.
    > Any generalisations on the basis of this case about the whole Romanian
    > nation would be mistaken.
    > Similarly, I do not believe that the American nation can be
    > caractherised on the basis of the hundreds of similar cases that
    > happened in America and have been amply documented in the press. When I
    > was just a child, about 30 years ago, I remember about mass suicides
    > instigated by the cult leader Jim Jones. His cult was called he People's
    > Temple, I think. Since then, there were hundreds of other cases.
    > Perhaps less frightening, but very damaging psychologically and in other
    > respects too, there are many cases of abuse in the name of spiritual
    > things in the UK. I was approached when I lived in London by members of
    > The Church of Christ. I found out about them that their young people
    > live in common houses were there are draconian rules and the leaders
    > play on people's feelings of guilt (you never do enough prayer,
    > evangelism etc etc.). Those who get out of this cult need special
    > therapy to become normal again.
    > Also, extreme branches of the charismatic movement would insist on
    > exorcisms (including beatings and isolation) until the person involved
    > becomes a nervous wreck.
    > Should I also mention the widespread pagan religious practices, satanism
    > and witchcraft in Britain? All of these have dodgy practices which
    > damage people's minds and sometimes their bodies too.
    > ..Should I also say: "A Frenchman told me that the Brits were wired,
    > but I thought that he had a problem with the Brits.."????
    >

Wired, do you mean 'on drugs' ?