The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:16:42 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> your reaction?
> >
> >In what way exactly? I haven't said anything here that fits that
> >description.
>
> you seem to be quite angry over what seemed to me DFMs quite modest
> provocation about Africa.

Why did there have to be a provocation, and more to the point, why bring
colour into it? Not all white countries have good healthcare, and some
'non-white' countries have better healthcare than we (in the UK) do.
What is a white country anyway- what's the percentage of "whites" you
have to have to get that status?

> >> >and why did you feel the need to bring this up?
> >>
> >> I am explaining DFMs original post.
> >
> >So DFM was saying that people keep on going on about how great Africa
> >was?
>
> no, that was part of *my* continued explanation afterwards. I doubt
> DFM would have bothered if he hadn't known it would bring on a PC
> protest, its rather funny actually.

I'm glad you think so.

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The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:30:52 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >> >I didn't act horrified, and I'm not horrified.
> >>
> >> how are we supposed to argue if you wont play your part properly?
> >
> >I should have added that I wasn't even particularly surprised.
>
> I'm surprised you've taken it so seriously, are you sure we are on the
> same wavelength here, you just "that's not what its about" what do you
> think its about?

I think it's about taking dubious cheapshots (you note Barbara's
description of it, but you put "unacceptable" in quotes) like "Better to
struggle back to a white nation if possible" and then playing innocent
when called on it. You're going on about it being PC piles onto that. I
don't think minding your language is PC- I've been called on it before,
and in retrospect probably correctly.

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Let is be knownst that on Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:34:59 +0000,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:

>The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:30:52 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >> >I didn't act horrified, and I'm not horrified.
>> >>
>> >> how are we supposed to argue if you wont play your part properly?
>> >
>> >I should have added that I wasn't even particularly surprised.
>>
>> I'm surprised you've taken it so seriously, are you sure we are on the
>> same wavelength here, you just "that's not what its about" what do you
>> think its about?
>
>I think it's about taking dubious cheapshots (you note Barbara's
>description of it, but you put "unacceptable" in quotes) like "Better to
>struggle back to a white nation if possible" and then playing innocent
>when called on it. You're going on about it being PC piles onto that. I
>don't think minding your language is PC- I've been called on it before,
>and in retrospect probably correctly.

I would suggest letting it go, David. I don't doubt you agree with me,
even if my choice of language was purposefully facetious.
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The Reid wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:02:35 -0800, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>One of the greatest satirist that ever walked the earth was an
>>American
>
>
> that sounds american

True, but I think he refers to Samuel Clemens aka Mark
Twain, who certainly fits the description.

The Reid wrote:

>
> no, that was part of *my* continued explanation afterwards. I doubt
> DFM would have bothered if he hadn't known it would bring on a PC
> protest, its rather funny actually.

Well, "PC" or not, let's face it, people. If injured or
taken seriously ill while traveling, wouldn't MOST of us
prefer to be returned home for treatment? I think the
preference has less to do with relative qualities of medical
care than with wanting familiar surroundings under such
circumstances.

Let is be knownst that on Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:01:33 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> writted:

>On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:16:42 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>> your reaction?
>>
>>In what way exactly? I haven't said anything here that fits that
>>description.
>
>you seem to be quite angry over what seemed to me DFMs quite modest
>provocation about Africa.

Well actually it wasn't about Africa, although I'd sure as hell rather
get back to Europe for any medical treatment.

>>> >and why did you feel the need to bring this up?
>>>
>>> I am explaining DFMs original post.
>>
>>So DFM was saying that people keep on going on about how great Africa
>>was?
>
>no, that was part of *my* continued explanation afterwards. I doubt
>DFM would have bothered if he hadn't known it would bring on a PC
>protest, its rather funny actually.

Quite.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
> The Reid wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:02:35 -0800, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> One of the greatest satirist that ever walked the earth was an
>>> American
>>
>>
>>
>> that sounds american
>
>
> True, but I think he refers to Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain, who
> certainly fits the description.

And I thought that he was commenting on Tom Lehrer. I suppose you might
classify Molly Ivins as a satarist though.

David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) wrote:

> The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:16:42 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
>>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>your reaction?
>>>
>>>In what way exactly? I haven't said anything here that fits that
>>>description.
>>
>>you seem to be quite angry over what seemed to me DFMs quite modest
>>provocation about Africa.
>
>
> Why did there have to be a provocation, and more to the point, why bring
> colour into it? Not all white countries have good healthcare, and some
> 'non-white' countries have better healthcare than we (in the UK) do.
> What is a white country anyway- what's the percentage of "whites" you
> have to have to get that status?
>
Given the high quality of health care in Singapore I suspect the
threshold of necessary whites is pretty low.
>
>>>>>and why did you feel the need to bring this up?
>>>>
>>>>I am explaining DFMs original post.
>>>
>>>So DFM was saying that people keep on going on about how great Africa
>>>was?
>>
>>no, that was part of *my* continued explanation afterwards. I doubt
>>DFM would have bothered if he hadn't known it would bring on a PC
>>protest, its rather funny actually.
>
>
> I'm glad you think so.
>

Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:

> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Reid wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:02:35 -0800, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> One of the greatest satirist that ever walked the earth was an
> >>> American
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> that sounds american
> >
> >
> > True, but I think he refers to Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain, who
> > certainly fits the description.
>
> And I thought that he was commenting on Tom Lehrer. I suppose you might
> classify Molly Ivins as a satarist though.

RIP!

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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> Let is be knownst that on Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:34:59 +0000,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) writted:
>
> >The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:30:52 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
> >> _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >I didn't act horrified, and I'm not horrified.
> >> >>
> >> >> how are we supposed to argue if you wont play your part properly?
> >> >
> >> >I should have added that I wasn't even particularly surprised.
> >>
> >> I'm surprised you've taken it so seriously, are you sure we are on the
> >> same wavelength here, you just "that's not what its about" what do you
> >> think its about?
> >
> >I think it's about taking dubious cheapshots (you note Barbara's
> >description of it, but you put "unacceptable" in quotes) like "Better to
> >struggle back to a white nation if possible" and then playing innocent
> >when called on it. You're going on about it being PC piles onto that. I
> >don't think minding your language is PC- I've been called on it before,
> >and in retrospect probably correctly.
>
> I would suggest letting it go, David. I don't doubt you agree with me,
> even if my choice of language was purposefully facetious.

You really don't get it, do you? I agree with you, that if stuck in a
third world country with poor health care, I'd go back to the UK, though
in some third world countries, there are rich hospitals that I could pay
to treat me well. It's your language that is the problem, and you damn
well know what is going on. Barbara put it well enough- I've no more to
add at this point. Not that it would make much difference.

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David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:09:25 -0600, "Frank F. Matthews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Reid wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:02:35 -0800, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> One of the greatest satirist that ever walked the earth was an
>>>> American
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> that sounds american
>>
>>
>> True, but I think he refers to Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain, who
>> certainly fits the description.
>
>And I thought that he was commenting on Tom Lehrer. I suppose you might
>classify Molly Ivins as a satarist though.

Satanist or satirist?
--

Martin

On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:39:45 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Well, "PC" or not, let's face it, people. If injured or
>taken seriously ill while traveling, wouldn't MOST of us
>prefer to be returned home for treatment? I think the
>preference has less to do with relative qualities of medical
>care than with wanting familiar surroundings under such
>circumstances.

I think thats true too, but we also want to be in a first world
hospital if honest.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:34:58 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>> you seem to be quite angry over what seemed to me DFMs quite modest
>> provocation about Africa.
>
>Why did there have to be a provocation, and more to the point, why bring
>colour into it?

probably to wind up the over sensitive. how am I supposed to know why
DFM likes winfing you (er, people) up?

>Not all white countries have good healthcare,

I predicted you would say that in another post. how does that make
african healthcare good?

>.and some
>'non-white' countries have better healthcare than we (in the UK) do.
>What is a white country anyway- what's the percentage of "whites" you
>have to have to get that status?

Dont ask me. I would say that most people recognise that africa is
full of black people and the majority in Europe are white. If you are
scared of saying that, fine.

>> >> >and why did you feel the need to bring this up?
>> >>
>> >> I am explaining DFMs original post.
>> >
>> >So DFM was saying that people keep on going on about how great Africa
>> >was?
>>
>> no, that was part of *my* continued explanation afterwards. I doubt
>> DFM would have bothered if he hadn't known it would bring on a PC
>> protest, its rather funny actually.
>
>I'm glad you think so.

I do.
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:34:59 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>I think it's about taking dubious cheapshots (you note Barbara's
>description of it, but you put "unacceptable" in quotes) like "Better to
>struggle back to a white nation if possible" and then playing innocent
>when called on it. You're going on about it being PC piles onto that.

so I'm making a slightly different point, since when was that not
allowed?

> I don't think minding your language is PC- I've been called on it before,
>and in retrospect probably correctly.

I cant be bothered to pretend third world medicine is good or that a
lot of the third world isn't "black". Feel free to quote Singapore
over and over.
I much prefer the attitude of the morning presenter on BBC London who,
...on second thoughts I'll finish tomorrow when I have time.
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:51:01 +0000, The Reid <[email protected]>
wrote:

>.on second thoughts I'll finish tomorrow when I have time.

have a minute.
quebec is french speaking, that doesnt mean some people there dont
speak french, africa is black and that doesnt mean there are no white
people. Black and white are not racist terms, they are just
descriptions. The over PC bloke on GLR cut a bloke off because he
described a "multi ethnic community" as "like the united nations".
Luckily they have another presenter who doesnt piss about pretending
we are all colour blind, but he has the advantage of beong black, so
its impossible hes racist (no, I dont mean thats true).
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