Yeah like your winning...... Hate to tell you but OOPS That Damn
AFGHANISTAN! if you ain't winnin' youse losen"


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

"Charlie Wolf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:17:10 -0500, Viking <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On 26 Feb 2007 01:02:48 -0800, "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>For the first time in
>>>the Iraqi capital, the focus of the U.S. military is not just training
>>>indigenous forces or chasing down insurgents, but ensuring basic
>>>security -- meaning an end, at last, to the large-scale sectarian
>>>slaughter and ethnic cleansing that has paralyzed Iraq for the past
>>>year.
>>
>>Dream on.
> You must be another Democrat hoping for defeat. Too bad - our guys
> are killing your friends right and left over there. Did they get your
> Daddy yet?
> Regards,
>
>

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:23:53 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Let is be knownst that on Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:14:32 +0100, Martin
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:10:15 GMT, "a.spencer3" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> On 26 Feb 2007 01:02:48 -0800, "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > the absence of sufficient troops to protect ordinary Iraqis from
>>>> >violence and terrorism.
>>>>
>>>> can anybody remember how many Russians troops failed to control
>>>> Afghanistan and how numbers compare to Us in Iraq?
>>>> --
>>>
>>>A max of around 100,000 at any one time, I seem to remember.
>>>Food for thought!
>>
>>Hint: The situation is different.
>
>Notably the Russians didn't need to give a shit, and the Afghanis had
>nothing to lose.

I noticed that the Independent's "bring the troops home from Iraq" campaign has
disappeared from the front page.
--

Martin

On 26/02/07 20:17, in article [email protected],
"Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2007 01:02:48 -0800, "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> For the first time in
>> the Iraqi capital, the focus of the U.S. military is not just training
>> indigenous forces or chasing down insurgents, but ensuring basic
>> security -- meaning an end, at last, to the large-scale sectarian
>> slaughter and ethnic cleansing that has paralyzed Iraq for the past
>> year.
>
> Dream on.

Since it was a forged post in my name by Stephen Bach,
I am not dreaming on.

The predictable thing up to the present and foreseen before
the Iraqi invasion was the country splitting up in three
factions and sectarian civil war occurring. That I has posted
on in 2001 reporting my conversations with a Syrian colleague
here in Paris. In spite of being American my living in France
for over 30 years shielded me from the brain washing the
American public was exposed to, the lies of Bush, Cheney
and Rumsfeld exposed me to the French and general
European opinion about barging into Iraq.

While most here anticipated civil war, the success of the insurgency
in opposing the only super power in the world does come as
a surprise. That success will embolden others not to take
the US as seriously as the US takes itself. When one has
clowns like Chavez thumbing his nose at the Yankees to his
north, it is apparent that the US has become an international
version of Rodney Dangerfield.

What I think the US will now try and appear
successful enough to pull out as it did in Vietnam. Declare
the war won and that the responsibility for the future
lies with Iraqi behavior. If the misbehave by fighting
èach other, that is not the fault of the Americans.

Once the Republicans blamed the Democrats and their
pinko fellow travelers for the "loss of China". The
illusion of the Republicans at that time was that the US has
some sort of influence on revolutionary events
in China. Now is the Democrats turn to
blame the Republicans for the mess in Iraq, and
the middle east in general. In fact the Demos
suffer from the same illusions, that the US
can have a postive role in the middle east.
The US can't get use to the fact that
it has little positive influence on events in this region.
If anything, the Americans are part of the problem
and not part of the solution of any problems
in the middle east.

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C209BCA1.D2A7B%[email protected]...
> On 26/02/07 20:17, in article > What I think the US will now try and
appear
> successful enough to pull out as it did in Vietnam. Declare
> the war won and that the responsibility for the future
> lies with Iraqi behavior. If the misbehave by fighting
> Úach other, that is not the fault of the Americans.
>

If you read the appropriate newsgroups, rather than here off-topic, you
would see that numerous of us were saying just that well pre-Invasion.

Trouble is, Bush & Blair don't seem to read those newsgroups either!

I'm told the CIA does, though. But they also obviously didn't take any
notice! And, of course, they're still trying to make up for the Bay of Pigs.

Surreyman

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:23:53 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>>A max of around 100,000 at any one time, I seem to remember.
>>>Food for thought!
>>
>>Hint: The situation is different.

sigh.

>Notably the Russians didn't need to give a shit, and the Afghanis had
>nothing to lose.

any signs Afghanistan (let alone Iraq) is going any differenty from
previous encounters?
--
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I am the real Earl Evleth; I post using Yahoo.com as my news server.
The phony earl evleth who posts using my name uses wanadoo; he is
somebody in France. The other evleth@wanadoo is a crackpot and a
criminal. evleth@wanadoo hates the USA, I love the USA

In article <[email protected] .com>,
[email protected] says a pack of lies, as usual...
>

Have you made that appointment with the dentist yet, Stephen Bach? Cerby
Day is approaching faster than you might think.

>

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C209BCA1.D2A7B%[email protected]...
> On 26/02/07 20:17, in article [email protected],
> "Viking" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Feb 2007 01:02:48 -0800, "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the first time in
>>> the Iraqi capital, the focus of the U.S. military is not just training
>>> indigenous forces or chasing down insurgents, but ensuring basic
>>> security -- meaning an end, at last, to the large-scale sectarian
>>> slaughter and ethnic cleansing that has paralyzed Iraq for the past
>>> year.
>>
>> Dream on.
>
> Since it was a forged post in my name by Stephen Bach,
> I am not dreaming on.
>
> The predictable thing up to the present and foreseen before
> the Iraqi invasion was the country splitting up in three
> factions and sectarian civil war occurring. That I has posted
> on in 2001 reporting my conversations with a Syrian colleague
> here in Paris. In spite of being American my living in France
> for over 30 years shielded me from the brain washing the
> American public was exposed to, the lies of Bush, Cheney
> and Rumsfeld exposed me to the French and general
> European opinion about barging into Iraq.
>
> While most here anticipated civil war, the success of the insurgency
> in opposing the only super power in the world does come as
> a surprise. That success will embolden others not to take
> the US as seriously as the US takes itself. When one has
> clowns like Chavez thumbing his nose at the Yankees to his
> north, it is apparent that the US has become an international
> version of Rodney Dangerfield.


How in the World, could the success of the insurgency be a surprise? Only if
you bought the Rose petals in the streets. Other then that America may be a
Super Power, but it is a Stupid Power and has failed as often as it has
tried to alter History in it's own name. You also shouldn't speak ill of the
dead. Rodney could do a better job of running America.



>
> What I think the US will now try and appear
> successful enough to pull out as it did in Vietnam. Declare
> the war won and that the responsibility for the future
> lies with Iraqi behavior. If the misbehave by fighting
> Úach other, that is not the fault of the Americans.


I hope your right, but the will of the American People is being subverted,
Democracy denied. This war will continue, until Americans are shot dead
protesting the War. Then the shit will hit the fan.

>
> Once the Republicans blamed the Democrats and their
> pinko fellow travelers for the "loss of China". The
> illusion of the Republicans at that time was that the US has
> some sort of influence on revolutionary events
> in China. Now is the Democrats turn to
> blame the Republicans for the mess in Iraq, and
> the middle east in general. In fact the Demos
> suffer from the same illusions, that the US
> can have a postive role in the middle east.
> The US can't get use to the fact that
> it has little positive influence on events in this region.
> If anything, the Americans are part of the problem
> and not part of the solution of any problems
> in the middle east.

America was instrumental in helping Mao gain control. Correct WE are the
problem and cause of Terrorism.


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Let is be knownst that on Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:47:49 +0000, The Reid
<[email protected]> writted:

>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:23:53 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>>>A max of around 100,000 at any one time, I seem to remember.
>>>>Food for thought!
>>>
>>>Hint: The situation is different.
>
>sigh.
>
>>Notably the Russians didn't need to give a shit, and the Afghanis had
>>nothing to lose.
>
>any signs Afghanistan (let alone Iraq) is going any differenty from
>previous encounters?

Afghanistan has always been beyond control. Even Genghis Khan never
got control of the place.

Iraq however had hope, due to the educated nature of it's people, and
decent infrastructure.

I feel very sad when I see what US incompetence has turned it into. At
least the UK did a decent job there, where they could.
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:22:09 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>Let is be knownst that on Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:47:49 +0000, The Reid
><[email protected]> writted:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:23:53 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>>>>A max of around 100,000 at any one time, I seem to remember.
>>>>>Food for thought!
>>>>
>>>>Hint: The situation is different.
>>
>>sigh.
>>
>>>Notably the Russians didn't need to give a shit, and the Afghanis had
>>>nothing to lose.
>>
>>any signs Afghanistan (let alone Iraq) is going any differenty from
>>previous encounters?
>
>Afghanistan has always been beyond control. Even Genghis Khan never
>got control of the place.
>
>Iraq however had hope, due to the educated nature of it's people, and
>decent infrastructure.
>
>I feel very sad when I see what US incompetence has turned it into. At
>least the UK did a decent job there, where they could.

It's odd that the grateful liberated locals in the British Army controlled area
spend much effort in trying to kill members of the British Army.
My grandfather was a professional soldier stationed in Basra after WW1, nothing
seems to have changed in the Iraqis attitude to British troops in the meantime.
Prince Harry will sort the buggers out.
--

Martin

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
> It's odd that the grateful liberated locals in the British Army controlled
> area spend much effort in trying to kill members of the British Army. My
> grandfather was a professional soldier stationed in Basra after WW1,
> nothing seems to have changed in the Iraqis attitude to British troops in
> the meantime.

Which is why it's not really odd. The British Army should never have
gone in to begin with- probably both times around.

--
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"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
>I am the real Earl Evleth; I post using Yahoo.com as my news server.
> The phony earl evleth who posts using my name uses wanadoo; he is
> somebody in France. The other evleth@wanadoo is a crackpot and a
> criminal. evleth@wanadoo hates the USA, I love the USA

You are not the real Earl Evleth.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:22:09 +0100, Deeply Filled Mortician
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>any signs Afghanistan (let alone Iraq) is going any differenty from
>>previous encounters?
>
>Afghanistan has always been beyond control. Even Genghis Khan never
>got control of the place.

funny nobody understands that.

>Iraq however had hope, due to the educated nature of it's people, and
>decent infrastructure.

till it was bombed.

>I feel very sad when I see what US incompetence has turned it into. At
>least the UK did a decent job there, where they could.

but that's been destroyed by the general situation , I think.
--
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0000, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[]
>> It's odd that the grateful liberated locals in the British Army controlled
>> area spend much effort in trying to kill members of the British Army. My
>> grandfather was a professional soldier stationed in Basra after WW1,
>> nothing seems to have changed in the Iraqis attitude to British troops in
>> the meantime.
>
>Which is why it's not really odd. The British Army should never have
>gone in to begin with- probably both times around.

Even more odd is that The Independent thinks they shouldn't leave now.
--

Martin

On 28/02/07 9:43, in article [email protected],
"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I feel very sad when I see what US incompetence has turned it into. At
>> least the UK did a decent job there, where they could.
>
> but that's been destroyed by the general situation , I think.

I think the UK "did a decent job" because they are in the Shi'ite
area. The Shi'ites in those areas have a "wait until they leave"
philosophy, conflicts occurring with the occupation authorities
depend on if the latter step on the Shi'ites toes.

Certain other members of the coalition also have relatively soft
spots, I don't think any Australians have been killed and few
of any other of the nationalities represented in the coalition.

The US policy was to minimize deaths among the coalition in
order for it to remain a coalition. Support for being in Iraq
is mixed within the populations of coalition members. Spain
had to get out even in spite of the election of Zapatero,
Aznar was discredited and had to leave active political life.
Blair appears on the same pathway to the dustbin of history.
But generally the US policy to minimize deaths among the
other members of the coalition worked.

What is certain in my mind is that generally the well informed
in the UK knew more about the dangers of invading Iraq
than the "well informed" in the US. The US has been historically
into prosylizing democracy, the old Wilsonian dream. The British
"white man's burden" of its colonial period died after WWII,
the US took up another version of same. The Wilsonian dream
has broad support in the US, it is spans both political parties.
It is quasi-religious in intensity.

"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God,' "
said Nabil Shaath, who was the Palestinian foreign minister at the time of a
top-level meeting with Bush in June 2003.

True or not true?? I tend to believe that Bush did believe he had God's
support in this venture.