On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:34:19 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >On 2005-07-04 18:28:48 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> said:
    >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:23:44 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 2005-07-04 18:08:43 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:54 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 2005-07-04 16:38:12 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Kidding around, of course, but many a truth spoken in jest.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> *****
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Chirac critique la cuisine anglaise
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NOUVELOBS.COM | 04.07.05 | 13:43
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "La seule chose qu'ils ont faite pour l'agriculture européenne, c'est la
    >>>>>> vache folle", a affirmé le président à Kaliningrad dimanche, en présence
    >>>>>> Vladimir Poutine et Gerhard Schroder.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> *
    >>>>>> Jacques Chirac (Ã droite) avec Gerhard Schroder (Ã gauche) et Vladimir
    >>>>>> Poutine à Kaliningrad dimanche (AP)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Chirac is just being a silly child after his humiliation in the polls.
    >>>>> Note that his fellow jesters are the leaders of Germany and Russia -
    >>>>> neither noted for gastronomic excellence.
    >>>>
    >>>> There's nowt wrong with German food.
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Maybe he is looking forward to sampling some of the British sparkling
    >>>>> wine which recently won top spot in a competition?
    >>>>
    >>>> Did you manage to find out which competition?
    >>>
    >>> Corks pop in Sussex as British wine tops world list
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Laura Smith
    >>>
    >>> The village of Ditchling in the South Downs in East Sussex may sound
    >>> like an unlikely location for the production of wines to rival the best
    >>> that France can offer in vintage champagnes.
    >>>
    >>> But an effervescent offering from the family-run Ridgeview Estate in
    >>> the village has beaten contenders from more than 50 countries to be
    >>> named the best sparkling wine in the world.
    >>>
    >>> The 2002 Merret Bloomsbury, fashioned from a combination of Chardonnay,
    >>> Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier grapes, won the title at this year's
    >>> International Wine and Spirit Competition after a four-month search by
    >>> a panel of judges.
    >>
    >> but which International Wine and Spirit Competition and held where?
    >Have you turned into Mixi? Is there a special reason you can't do your
    >own research?

I already tried to find out exactly what they had won when I read the
report on Saturday. I thought you might have had more success than me.

Never believe everything you read in a newspaper.

http://www.iwsc.net/resultsWine.cfm
What they actually won was bronze in the category

Bottle Fermented Sparkling Wine - Vintage - England 1999-2001

Hardly the best in the world.
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:42:36 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:34:19 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>On 2005-07-04 18:28:48 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> said:
    >>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:23:44 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 2005-07-04 18:08:43 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:54 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 2005-07-04 16:38:12 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]> said:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Kidding around, of course, but many a truth spoken in jest.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> *****
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Chirac critique la cuisine anglaise
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> NOUVELOBS.COM | 04.07.05 | 13:43
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "La seule chose qu'ils ont faite pour l'agriculture européenne, c'est la
    >>>>>>> vache folle", a affirmé le président à Kaliningrad dimanche, en présence
    >>>>>>> Vladimir Poutine et Gerhard Schroder.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> *
    >>>>>>> Jacques Chirac (Ã droite) avec Gerhard Schroder (Ã gauche) et Vladimir
    >>>>>>> Poutine à Kaliningrad dimanche (AP)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Chirac is just being a silly child after his humiliation in the polls.
    >>>>>> Note that his fellow jesters are the leaders of Germany and Russia -
    >>>>>> neither noted for gastronomic excellence.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> There's nowt wrong with German food.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Maybe he is looking forward to sampling some of the British sparkling
    >>>>>> wine which recently won top spot in a competition?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Did you manage to find out which competition?
    >>>>
    >>>> Corks pop in Sussex as British wine tops world list
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Laura Smith
    >>>>
    >>>> The village of Ditchling in the South Downs in East Sussex may sound
    >>>> like an unlikely location for the production of wines to rival the best
    >>>> that France can offer in vintage champagnes.
    >>>>
    >>>> But an effervescent offering from the family-run Ridgeview Estate in
    >>>> the village has beaten contenders from more than 50 countries to be
    >>>> named the best sparkling wine in the world.
    >>>>
    >>>> The 2002 Merret Bloomsbury, fashioned from a combination of Chardonnay,
    >>>> Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier grapes, won the title at this year's
    >>>> International Wine and Spirit Competition after a four-month search by
    >>>> a panel of judges.
    >>>
    >>> but which International Wine and Spirit Competition and held where?
    >>Have you turned into Mixi? Is there a special reason you can't do your
    >>own research?
    >I already tried to find out exactly what they had won when I read the
    >report on Saturday. I thought you might have had more success than me.
    >Never believe everything you read in a newspaper.
    >http://www.iwsc.net/resultsWine.cfm
    >What they actually won was bronze in the category
    > Bottle Fermented Sparkling Wine - Vintage - England 1999-2001
    >Hardly the best in the world.

"Ridgeview Cuvée Merret Bloomsbury 2000 -- Ridgeview Wine
Estate (Waitrose Ltd)

Ridgeview Merret Bloomsbury belongs to Waitrose which explains the
whole thing.
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"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:26:07 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> The village of Ditchling in the South Downs in East Sussex may sound
    > >> like an unlikely location for the production of wines to rival the best
    > >> that France can offer in vintage champagnes.
    > >>
    > >> But an effervescent offering from the family-run Ridgeview Estate in
    > >> the village has beaten contenders from more than 50 countries to be
    > >> named the best sparkling wine in the world.
    > >>
    > >> The 2002 Merret Bloomsbury, fashioned from a combination of Chardonnay,
    > >> Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier grapes, won the title at this year's
    > >> International Wine and Spirit Competition after a four-month search by
    > >> a panel of judges.
    > >>
    > >
    > >Ditchling isn't *that* hard to find.
    > >
    > I can't imagine a Champagne producer entering a sparkling wine
    > competition.

But Champagne is nothing but sparkling wine, that happens to be produced in
a certain specific area of France.

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:08:43 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>Maybe he is looking forward to sampling some of the British sparkling
    >>wine which recently won top spot in a competition?
    >Did you manage to find out which competition?

Best British sparkling wine wasn't it?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

    > Chirac is just being a silly child after his humiliation in the polls.
    > Note that his fellow jesters are the leaders of Germany and Russia -
    > neither noted for gastronomic excellence.

It's interesting to note that whenever Chirac is in political trouble at
home, he brings out the dreaded spectre of "les Anglo-Saxons".

On 4/07/05 17:52, in article [email protected],
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > You don't normally believe anything/everything that originates from
    > the USA.


"They lie"??

I will say that in returning to the US, our friends often want to take
us out to "their" great French restaurant! When they come to Paris
I do not invite them out to "our" great American restaurant in Paris.

While the American based French restaurants are not bad, some are fairly
good in New York. One friend invited us to Berkeley`s Chez Panisse, which
was OK but not super outstanding, about average French. So what did I say?
I could not insult my host and say it was average. San Franciso, n-years
ago had a place, Jacks (since sold and not the same) on Sacramento Street
which was very good, sort of American with some French admixture but
not purposefully so. The waiters, before it was sold, were old as the hills
and French. The place's origin was in the 1860s. California also had Basque
restaurants, which most people thought were French but not quite. One was
served communally, starting out with a large bowl of soup in the middle
of the table from which one served one's self. This kind of "French" food
is tasty but not elegant, this is français de souche, stuff.

Every two weeks we drive out to Caen to visit somebody in prison and eat
at a little local place for lunch. 9.50 euros each including un pot de vin,
a "salad bar", main plate and dessert or cheese. Saturday we had a "gratin
de poisson', bits of fish, mussles cooked in cheese (not too much). Tasty,
simple and it beats 85% of anything we can get in the USA.

Earl Evleth wrote:
    > On 4/07/05 17:52, in article [email protected],
    > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > You don't normally believe anything/everything that originates from
    > > the USA.
    > "They lie"??
    > I will say that in returning to the US, our friends often want to take
    > us out to "their" great French restaurant! When they come to Paris
    > I do not invite them out to "our" great American restaurant in Paris.
    > While the American based French restaurants are not bad, some are fairly
    > good in New York. One friend invited us to Berkeley`s Chez Panisse, which
    > was OK but not super outstanding, about average French. So what did I say?
    > I could not insult my host and say it was average. San Franciso, n-years
    > ago had a place, Jacks (since sold and not the same) on Sacramento Street
    > which was very good, sort of American with some French admixture but
    > not purposefully so. The waiters, before it was sold, were old as the hills
    > and French. The place's origin was in the 1860s. California also had Basque
    > restaurants, which most people thought were French but not quite. One was
    > served communally, starting out with a large bowl of soup in the middle
    > of the table from which one served one's self. This kind of "French" food
    > is tasty but not elegant, this is français de souche, stuff.
    > Every two weeks we drive out to Caen to visit somebody in prison and eat
    > at a little local place for lunch. 9.50 euros each including un pot de vin,
    > a "salad bar", main plate and dessert or cheese. Saturday we had a "gratin
    > de poisson', bits of fish, mussles cooked in cheese (not too much). Tasty,
    > simple and it beats 85% of anything we can get in the USA.

yep they lie, try Belgique/Belgie

On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:08:43 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:54 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >wrote:

    >>Chirac is just being a silly child after his humiliation in the polls.
    >>Note that his fellow jesters are the leaders of Germany and Russia -
    >>neither noted for gastronomic excellence.
    >There's nowt wrong with German food.

As long as it's 6 steins, followed by a kebab.
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Here we go again with the usual follow ups

"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
BEEF1674.6EB0A%[email protected]...
    > Kidding around, of course, but many a truth spoken in jest.
    > *****
    > Chirac critique la cuisine anglaise
    > NOUVELOBS.COM | 04.07.05 | 13:43
    > "La seule chose qu'ils ont faite pour l'agriculture européenne, c'est la
    > vache folle", a affirmé le président à Kaliningrad dimanche, en présence
    > Vladimir Poutine et Gerhard Schroder.
    > Jacques Chirac (Ã droite) avec Gerhard Schroder (Ã gauche) et Vladimir
    > Poutine à Kaliningrad dimanche (AP)
    > Le torchon continue de brûler entre Londres et Paris, à 48 heures de la
    > désignation de la ville organisatrice des JO de 2012 et de l'ouverture du
    > sommet du G8. Jacques Chirac a multiplié les plaisanteries sur la cuisine
    > britannique dimanche 3 juillet à Kaliningrad, faisant bien rire Vladimir
    > Poutine et Gerhard Schroder, rapporte lundi Libération.
    > "La seule chose qu'ils ont faite pour l'agriculture européenne, c'est la
    > vache folle", a dit le président français à Vladimir Poutine et Gerhard
    > Schroder, qu'il retrouvait pour un sommet informel à l'occasion du 750e
    > anniversaire de la ville de Kaliningrad.
    > "On ne peut pas faire confiance à des gens qui ont une cuisine aussi
    > mauvaise", a ajouté Jacques Chirac, selon l'envoyée spéciale de Libération
    > ,
    > qui a entendu la conversation. "Après la Finlande, c'est le pays où l'on
    > mange le plus mal."
    > "Et les hamburgers?", a demandé Vladimir Poutine. "Non, non les
    > hamburgers,
    > ce n'est rien encore", a répondu Jacques Chirac.
    > Candidature commune?
    > Les trois hommes ont également plaisanté sur les JO 2012, alors que le
    > Comité international olympique (CIO) doit trancher mercredi à Singapour
    > entre Paris, Londres, Madrid, Moscou et New York. A Gerhard Schroder, qui
    > suggérait une candidature commune Paris-Moscou, Jacques Chirac a répliqué:
    > "oui, on peut faire un projet commun, si Moscou l'emporte".
    > Interrogé sur les propos présidentiels et sur leurs conséquences sur
    > l'ambiance au sommet G8 en fin de semaine à Gleneagles (Ecosse), le
    > porte-parole du gouvernement Jean-François Copé a refusé de les confirmer.
    > "Je n'ai pas de commentaire particulier", a-t-il déclaré lors du compte
    > rendu du conseil des ministres.
    >

From what I've heard, Chirac worked for a time flipping burgers at the
Howard Johnson's on Memorial Drive while he was in Cambridge. I still
find that amusing. I ate there a few times during that period. I
wonder .......

On 2005-07-05 00:02:49 +0200, "Robert J Carpenter" <[email protected]> said:

    > From what I've heard, Chirac worked for a time flipping burgers at the
    > Howard Johnson's on Memorial Drive while he was in Cambridge. I still
    > find that amusing. I ate there a few times during that period. I
    > wonder .......

Did you check you still had your wallet?

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Miss L. Toe ha escrito:
    > But Champagne is nothing but sparkling wine, that happens to be produced in
    > a certain specific area of France.

Not exactly. Champagne is a very specific sparkling wine made under
very restrictive standards, geography being only one of them.

J.

On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:50:13 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:26:07 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> The village of Ditchling in the South Downs in East Sussex may sound
    >> >> like an unlikely location for the production of wines to rival the best
    >> >> that France can offer in vintage champagnes.
    >> >>
    >> >> But an effervescent offering from the family-run Ridgeview Estate in
    >> >> the village has beaten contenders from more than 50 countries to be
    >> >> named the best sparkling wine in the world.
    >> >>
    >> >> The 2002 Merret Bloomsbury, fashioned from a combination of Chardonnay,
    >> >> Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier grapes, won the title at this year's
    >> >> International Wine and Spirit Competition after a four-month search by
    >> >> a panel of judges.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >Ditchling isn't *that* hard to find.
    >> >
    >> I can't imagine a Champagne producer entering a sparkling wine
    >> competition.
    >But Champagne is nothing but sparkling wine, that happens to be produced in
    >a certain specific area of France.

I know what Champagne is. I also know that International Wine and
Spirit Competition has a separate category for English sparkling wine
for each year and that far from being the best in the world Merret
Bloomsbury only won a bronze in this category. IWSC is a commercial
operation without much value.
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 19:51:06 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    >On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:08:43 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:03:54 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>Chirac is just being a silly child after his humiliation in the polls.
    >>>Note that his fellow jesters are the leaders of Germany and Russia -
    >>>neither noted for gastronomic excellence.
    >>There's nowt wrong with German food.
    >As long as it's 6 steins, followed by a kebab.

Hardly typical German food.
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On 2005-07-05 10:28:23 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> said:

    > I know what Champagne is. I also know that International Wine and
    > Spirit Competition has a separate category for English sparkling wine
    > for each year and that far from being the best in the world Merret
    > Bloomsbury only won a bronze in this category. IWSC is a commercial
    > operation without much value.

Maybe if Chirac had know that he wouldn't be so bitter.

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