-Martin

On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:07 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:02:12 +0100, Tieless Reid <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:01:09 GMT, "Alan" <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You can buy a house in Hull for the price of a week in Central London.
>>
>>>>MMMmm what a delight --------- NOT
>>>
>>>I've never been to 'ull.
>>
>> You have missed a lot ----------NOT
>
>You can have a good night out there, but don't go alone.
>
>John Prescott is their MP.
>
>He learned to punch like that on his Saturday nights out...
>
>The main reasons to go to Hull are either the shopping, which is actually
>quite good, and to catch the cheap ferry to Holland...

Cheap?
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
> >>
> >> No way!
> >>
> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich Europe.
> >> In Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
>
> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.

5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.

(I did complain about the 10 euro meal in Spain a few months ago, but
it's still much better than felafel.)

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
>> >>
>> >> No way!
>> >>
>> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich Europe.
>> >> In Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
>>
>> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.
>
>5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
>bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
>meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.

Plus the cost of getting there everyday :-)

--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
> >> >>
> >> >> No way!
> >> >>
> >> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich Europe.
> >> >> In Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
> >>
> >> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.
> >
> >5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
> >bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
> >meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.
>
> Plus the cost of getting there everyday :-)

Oh, that's cheap!

It cost less for me to fly to teach in Barcelona this year than it did
for other professors to take the train from Madrid or France!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:42:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No way!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich Europe.
>> >> >> In Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
>> >>
>> >> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.
>> >
>> >5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
>> >bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
>> >meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.
>>
>> Plus the cost of getting there everyday :-)
>
>Oh, that's cheap!
>
>It cost less for me to fly to teach in Barcelona this year than it did
>for other professors to take the train from Madrid or France!
>

Demonstrating yet again how expensive even subsidised train travel is.
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:42:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No way!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich
> >> >> >> IEurope. n Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.
> >> >
> >> >5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
> >> >bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
> >> >meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.
> >>
> >> Plus the cost of getting there everyday :-)
> >
> >Oh, that's cheap!
> >
> >It cost less for me to fly to teach in Barcelona this year than it did
> >for other professors to take the train from Madrid or France!
> >
>
> Demonstrating yet again how expensive even subsidised train travel is.

To a point. If I had to travel to Barcelona buying the flight a couple
of days before, I wouldn't fancy my chances. I paid �210 for a one-way
from Liverpool to Girona last year- fully refunded as the flight was
cancelled FWIW. People do the same thing here- comparing the train from
Manchester to London to the plane. Yes, it's actually possible to find
train fares well above plane fares, but ones you actually compare like
for like (i.e. book ahead via fully flexible) you usually get a 3 to 1
price ratio in favour of the train...

I wonder if the professors travelling by train to Barcelona were really
getting the best deals?

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:42:55 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 21 May 2007 14:38:34 -0700, Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On May 21, 4:34 pm, Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Great Britain is less expensive than Netherlands
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No way!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I find the Netherlands to be about the cheapest country in rich
>> >> >> >> IEurope. n Amsterdam you can easily eat for under 5 euro,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can't even get a coffee and a McD for that in NL.
>> >> >
>> >> >5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK. I'm probably a
>> >> >bit dense, but I prefer sitting down and having a satisfying 3-course
>> >> >meal with a half bottle of wine for 10 euro in Spain.
>> >>
>> >> Plus the cost of getting there everyday :-)
>> >
>> >Oh, that's cheap!
>> >
>> >It cost less for me to fly to teach in Barcelona this year than it did
>> >for other professors to take the train from Madrid or France!
>> >
>>
>> Demonstrating yet again how expensive even subsidised train travel is.
>
>To a point. If I had to travel to Barcelona buying the flight a couple
>of days before, I wouldn't fancy my chances. I paid �210 for a one-way
>from Liverpool to Girona last year- fully refunded as the flight was
>cancelled FWIW. People do the same thing here- comparing the train from
>Manchester to London to the plane. Yes, it's actually possible to find
>train fares well above plane fares, but ones you actually compare like
>for like (i.e. book ahead via fully flexible) you usually get a 3 to 1
>price ratio in favour of the train...

There didn't appear to be any cheap deals on the Stoke on Trent London route
irrespective of when you bought a ticket. Nor are there any really cheap deals
on the route between Stoke on Trent and Scarborough.
--

Martin

David Horne

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >> Demonstrating yet again how expensive even subsidised train travel is.
> >
> >To a point. If I had to travel to Barcelona buying the flight a couple
> >of days before, I wouldn't fancy my chances. I paid �210 for a one-way
> >from Liverpool to Girona last year- fully refunded as the flight was
> >cancelled FWIW. People do the same thing here- comparing the train from
> >Manchester to London to the plane. Yes, it's actually possible to find
> >train fares well above plane fares, but ones you actually compare like
> >for like (i.e. book ahead via fully flexible) you usually get a 3 to 1
> >price ratio in favour of the train...
>
> There didn't appear to be any cheap deals on the Stoke on Trent London route
> irrespective of when you bought a ticket.

Irrespective is a load of crap."Didn't appear to be" is meaningless.
There are plenty of deals available at the moment, depending how far you
book ahead- 2 weeks is better than one week. I don't have a clue what
your "Didn't appear to be" referred to- weekends get busier quicker, and
for weekdays, you should try at least 2 weeks in advance- as with the
plane, which I referred to.

> Nor are there any really cheap deals
> on the route between Stoke on Trent and Scarborough.

There isn't anything on that route, but then again, I can't think of any
way that the plane would compete with it. It's unfortunately one of
those weird routes where you'll get a cheaper advance deal by booking
two tickets- one from Stoke to Mancester- then to Scarborough. I'm not
defending it, but that's what it is.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Tieless Reid

On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:35:12 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> nightclubs were always open late

its not the same though, is it? I never found a club I felt
comfortable in.
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"

Tieless Reid

On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

>5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK.

I wouldn't want to spend a holiday eating cheap kebabs. :-(
--
Mike Reid
Cutty Sark appeal"http://www.cuttysark.org.uk"
email me at "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 07:38:26 +0100, Tieless Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:35:12 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>> nightclubs were always open late
>
>its not the same though, is it? I never found a club I felt
>comfortable in.

I knew we had lots in common. :-)
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 07:40:58 +0100, Tieless Reid <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:26:34 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne,
>_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
>
>>5 euro will get a good kebab-ish meal anywhere in the UK.
>
>I wouldn't want to spend a holiday eating cheap kebabs. :-(

I knew we had lots in common.

You wouldn't want to spend your holiday eating EUR 5 meals in Amsterdam.
--

Martin

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:34:13 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 +0100, [email protected] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >> Demonstrating yet again how expensive even subsidised train travel is.
>> >
>> >To a point. If I had to travel to Barcelona buying the flight a couple
>> >of days before, I wouldn't fancy my chances. I paid �210 for a one-way
>> >from Liverpool to Girona last year- fully refunded as the flight was
>> >cancelled FWIW. People do the same thing here- comparing the train from
>> >Manchester to London to the plane. Yes, it's actually possible to find
>> >train fares well above plane fares, but ones you actually compare like
>> >for like (i.e. book ahead via fully flexible) you usually get a 3 to 1
>> >price ratio in favour of the train...
>>
>> There didn't appear to be any cheap deals on the Stoke on Trent London route
>> irrespective of when you bought a ticket.
>
>Irrespective is a load of crap."Didn't appear to be" is meaningless.

No it's not meaningless, it's reality. I read what you have been posting about
cheap trips and wasted hours looking for cheap deals, there weren't any, no
matter how many weeks we looked in advance.

>There are plenty of deals available at the moment, depending how far you
>book ahead- 2 weeks is better than one week. I don't have a clue what
>your "Didn't appear to be" referred to- weekends get busier quicker, and
>for weekdays, you should try at least 2 weeks in advance- as with the
>plane, which I referred to.

The trip was go on Friday return on Sunday. She started looking much more than
two weeks in advance, the trip was three or four weeks ago.

>
>> Nor are there any really cheap deals
>> on the route between Stoke on Trent and Scarborough.
>
>There isn't anything on that route, but then again, I can't think of any
>way that the plane would compete with it. It's unfortunately one of
>those weird routes where you'll get a cheaper advance deal by booking
>two tickets- one from Stoke to Mancester- then to Scarborough. I'm not
>defending it, but that's what it is.

She saved GBP4 doing that.

Plane? I was thinking of a car.
--

Martin

William Black

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:07 GMT, "William Black"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:02:12 +0100, Tieless Reid
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:01:09 GMT, "Alan" <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You can buy a house in Hull for the price of a week in Central
>>>>>> London.
>>>
>>>>>MMMmm what a delight --------- NOT
>>>>
>>>>I've never been to 'ull.
>>>
>>> You have missed a lot ----------NOT
>>
>>You can have a good night out there, but don't go alone.
>>
>>John Prescott is their MP.
>>
>>He learned to punch like that on his Saturday nights out...
>>
>>The main reasons to go to Hull are either the shopping, which is actually
>>quite good, and to catch the cheap ferry to Holland...
>
> Cheap?

Day trip to Holland with the car is about £120 for two at the moment,
including two nights on the boat.

If you live up here it's a sight easier and cheaper than driving down to
Dover.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

-Martin

On Tue, 22 May 2007 08:38:08 GMT, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:07 GMT, "William Black"
>> <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:02:12 +0100, Tieless Reid
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 21 May 2007 17:01:09 GMT, "Alan" <[email protected]>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can buy a house in Hull for the price of a week in Central
>>>>>>> London.
>>>>
>>>>>>MMMmm what a delight --------- NOT
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never been to 'ull.
>>>>
>>>> You have missed a lot ----------NOT
>>>
>>>You can have a good night out there, but don't go alone.
>>>
>>>John Prescott is their MP.
>>>
>>>He learned to punch like that on his Saturday nights out...
>>>
>>>The main reasons to go to Hull are either the shopping, which is actually
>>>quite good, and to catch the cheap ferry to Holland...
>>
>> Cheap?
>
>Day trip to Holland with the car is about �120 for two at the moment,
>including two nights on the boat.

A trip for a one or two week return is substantially more. The GBP120 doesn't
include EUR 120 for meals does it?

I bought 5 open ended returns for two with a car this year. It works out at EUR
320 (+/-GBP 220) a return plus EUR 120 for meals. At the rate they were charging
in March we saved about 30% . At the rate they charge for the peak summer period
we save substantially more.

We used the DFDS ferry Newcastle IJmuiden for a couple of years, because at the
time DFDS was cheaper. Although DFDS have very old boats and P&Os boats are
quite new, DFDS charges substantially more. A bit of a shame as IJmuiden is
much quicker for us to get to than the Europoort.
--

Martin