Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:06 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
On 23/07/05 16:31, in article
[email protected]. com, "PJ O'Donovan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> are for the US compared with France which has less of an
> obesity problem. The site http://www.eatlas.idf.org/
> indicates that France is less that the US but not by
> how much.
> Earl Evleth>
>
> it would also br interesting to analyze those figures relative to
> variables within groups of Americans.
>
>
> African American Images 2005
>
> IS DIABETES KILLING THE BLACK RACE?
*****
As a Southern you would select Blacks! How about Hispanics? Is there any
relationship with socioeconomic class and diabetes, generally, outside
of the racist area of interpretation. What is the cause?
In a Florida study
"Among 5,181 Blacks and Hispanics surveyed, 650 reported having diabetes.
Prevalence of diabetes was 10.6% for Blacks and 7.1% for Hispanics. Among
Blacks and Hispanics, diabetes prevalence was higher among men (9.5%) than
among women (7.9%), highest among the elderly (21.9%), and highest among
people with less than a high school education (14.5%). Among Blacks and
Hispanics who had diabetes, 77% were overweight (25<=BMI<30), 53% were obese
(BMI>=30), 70% were physically inactive, 79% consumed fruits and vegetables
less than 5 servings a day, 64% had hypertension, 58% had high cholesterol,
only 16% got a flu shot in the past year, and only 13% ever had a pneumonia
vaccination. Data indicate that all these behavioral indicators are worse
among diabetic Blacks and Hispanics than among their non-diabetic
counterparts."
In another study
"Hispanics are twice as likely as non-Hispanic Whites to have diabetes and
are also at higher risk for diabetes-related complications and poorer
outcomes. The prevalence of diabetes is inversely related to educational
status. Low literacy is common, especially among older Hispanics. Little
literature exists on formative research to create diabetes education
materials for this audience. Two focus groups assessed views and preferences
for diabetes education of low-literate, low-income, non-English-speaking
urban Caribbean and Central American Hispanics with diabetes, as well as
utility of materials developed specifically for this population, as part of
the preliminary work for a pilot study of a diabetes intervention.
Implications for practitioners and researchers are discussed."
Note that "The prevalence of diabetes is inversely related to educational
status."
[email protected]. com, "PJ O'Donovan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> are for the US compared with France which has less of an
> obesity problem. The site http://www.eatlas.idf.org/
> indicates that France is less that the US but not by
> how much.
> Earl Evleth>
>
> it would also br interesting to analyze those figures relative to
> variables within groups of Americans.
>
>
> African American Images 2005
>
> IS DIABETES KILLING THE BLACK RACE?
*****
As a Southern you would select Blacks! How about Hispanics? Is there any
relationship with socioeconomic class and diabetes, generally, outside
of the racist area of interpretation. What is the cause?
In a Florida study
"Among 5,181 Blacks and Hispanics surveyed, 650 reported having diabetes.
Prevalence of diabetes was 10.6% for Blacks and 7.1% for Hispanics. Among
Blacks and Hispanics, diabetes prevalence was higher among men (9.5%) than
among women (7.9%), highest among the elderly (21.9%), and highest among
people with less than a high school education (14.5%). Among Blacks and
Hispanics who had diabetes, 77% were overweight (25<=BMI<30), 53% were obese
(BMI>=30), 70% were physically inactive, 79% consumed fruits and vegetables
less than 5 servings a day, 64% had hypertension, 58% had high cholesterol,
only 16% got a flu shot in the past year, and only 13% ever had a pneumonia
vaccination. Data indicate that all these behavioral indicators are worse
among diabetic Blacks and Hispanics than among their non-diabetic
counterparts."
In another study
"Hispanics are twice as likely as non-Hispanic Whites to have diabetes and
are also at higher risk for diabetes-related complications and poorer
outcomes. The prevalence of diabetes is inversely related to educational
status. Low literacy is common, especially among older Hispanics. Little
literature exists on formative research to create diabetes education
materials for this audience. Two focus groups assessed views and preferences
for diabetes education of low-literate, low-income, non-English-speaking
urban Caribbean and Central American Hispanics with diabetes, as well as
utility of materials developed specifically for this population, as part of
the preliminary work for a pilot study of a diabetes intervention.
Implications for practitioners and researchers are discussed."
Note that "The prevalence of diabetes is inversely related to educational
status."
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:12 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
> From: Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> Organization: Just Mxsmanic
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:54:33 +0200
> Subject: Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
>
> Donna Evleth writes:
>
>> I can't even blame obesity in my case, as I am now and always have been
>> thin.
>
> What criteria were used to diagnose your diabetes?
Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
the official threshhold for diabetes. These tests were not sequential, and
I felt my GP was a bit excessive when he immediately prescribed medication
after the second high test. I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed
the equipment I wanted to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no
medication and told me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions,
but that we would not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there
just wasn't that much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
Donna Evleth
> Organization: Just Mxsmanic
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:54:33 +0200
> Subject: Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
>
> Donna Evleth writes:
>
>> I can't even blame obesity in my case, as I am now and always have been
>> thin.
>
> What criteria were used to diagnose your diabetes?
Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
the official threshhold for diabetes. These tests were not sequential, and
I felt my GP was a bit excessive when he immediately prescribed medication
after the second high test. I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed
the equipment I wanted to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no
medication and told me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions,
but that we would not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there
just wasn't that much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
Donna Evleth
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:16 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:12:10 +0200, Donna Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> From: Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> Organization: Just Mxsmanic
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:54:33 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
>>
>> Donna Evleth writes:
>>
>>> I can't even blame obesity in my case, as I am now and always have been
>>> thin.
>>
>> What criteria were used to diagnose your diabetes?
>Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
>the official threshhold for diabetes. These tests were not sequential, and
>I felt my GP was a bit excessive when he immediately prescribed medication
>after the second high test. I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed
>the equipment I wanted to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no
>medication and told me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions,
>but that we would not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there
>just wasn't that much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
How about taking this to e-mail?
--
Martin
wrote:
>> From: Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> Organization: Just Mxsmanic
>> Newsgroups: rec.travel.europe
>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:54:33 +0200
>> Subject: Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
>>
>> Donna Evleth writes:
>>
>>> I can't even blame obesity in my case, as I am now and always have been
>>> thin.
>>
>> What criteria were used to diagnose your diabetes?
>Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
>the official threshhold for diabetes. These tests were not sequential, and
>I felt my GP was a bit excessive when he immediately prescribed medication
>after the second high test. I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed
>the equipment I wanted to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no
>medication and told me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions,
>but that we would not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there
>just wasn't that much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
How about taking this to e-mail?
--
Martin
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:37 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
Earl Evleth wrote:
> On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
> 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
> > is but no longer cooks.
> San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
> in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
> my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
> I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
> her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
nothing more than sustenance I guess...
You are right, baked goods, especially pies are pretty good, but pretty much
everything else = :-|
--
Best
Greg
> On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
> 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
> > is but no longer cooks.
> San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
> in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
> my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
> I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
> her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
nothing more than sustenance I guess...
You are right, baked goods, especially pies are pretty good, but pretty much
everything else = :-|
--
Best
Greg
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:40 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
> > 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
> > > is but no longer cooks.
> >
> >
> > San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
> > in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
> > my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
> >
> > I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
> > her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
> >
> I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
> to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
> fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
> general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
> Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
> nothing more than sustenance I guess...
>
welcome to England
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
> > 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
> > > is but no longer cooks.
> >
> >
> > San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
> > in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
> > my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
> >
> > I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
> > her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
> >
> I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
> to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
> fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
> general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
> Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
> nothing more than sustenance I guess...
>
welcome to England
Jul 23rd 2005, 4:50 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:16:54 +0200, Martin wrote:
> Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
cheese selection, and their prices are great. They frequently have chese
(and wine) tastings on the weekends. You can even return food if you don't
like it (though I've never tried that)!
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> Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
cheese selection, and their prices are great. They frequently have chese
(and wine) tastings on the weekends. You can even return food if you don't
like it (though I've never tried that)!
--
-BB-
To e-mail me, unmunge my address
Jul 23rd 2005, 5:22 am
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Donna Evleth writes:
> Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
> the official threshhold for diabetes.
Just barely. I've seen research that indicates that long-term glucose
levels under 200 mg/dl are almost never associated with complications.
So if your fasting glucose never rises above the levels you indicate
above, you're not at very much risk.
> These tests were not sequential, and I felt my GP was a bit excessive when
> he immediately prescribed medication after the second high test.
I agree. Diet and exercise first.
> I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed the equipment I wanted
> to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no medication and told
> me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions, but that we would
> not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there just wasn't that
> much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
And since then you've just been watching your diet and keeping an eye
on glucose levels? Have they changed with your avoidance of high GI
foods?
> Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
> the official threshhold for diabetes.
Just barely. I've seen research that indicates that long-term glucose
levels under 200 mg/dl are almost never associated with complications.
So if your fasting glucose never rises above the levels you indicate
above, you're not at very much risk.
> These tests were not sequential, and I felt my GP was a bit excessive when
> he immediately prescribed medication after the second high test.
I agree. Diet and exercise first.
> I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed the equipment I wanted
> to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no medication and told
> me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions, but that we would
> not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there just wasn't that
> much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
And since then you've just been watching your diet and keeping an eye
on glucose levels? Have they changed with your avoidance of high GI
foods?
Jul 23rd 2005, 5:23 am
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Martin writes:
> How about taking this to e-mail?
No.
> How about taking this to e-mail?
No.
Jul 23rd 2005, 5:36 am
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BB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:16:54 +0200, Martin wrote:
>
> > Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
>
> If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
> cheese selection, and their prices are great.
Is it not as good on the east coast? :) I used to shop at TJ's locations
in the Boston area.
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:16:54 +0200, Martin wrote:
>
> > Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
>
> If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
> cheese selection, and their prices are great.
Is it not as good on the east coast? :) I used to shop at TJ's locations
in the Boston area.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jul 23rd 2005, 7:34 am
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On 23 Jul 2005 09:40:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> > On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
>> > 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
>> > > is but no longer cooks.
>> >
>> >
>> > San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
>> > in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
>> > my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
>> >
>> > I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
>> > her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
>> >
>> I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
>> to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
>> fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
>> general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
>> Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
>> nothing more than sustenance I guess...
>>
>welcome to England
Welcome to the Netherlands surely?
The last guy I knew who spent all his time complaining about English
food, a German, was paid a daily allowance that was about 4 times a UK
gross salary for the job he did. He lived in an old caravan and fed
himself exclusively on chips from the local fish and chip shop and
junk food.
--
Martin
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Earl Evleth wrote:
>> > On 23/07/05 12:32, in article
>> > 1122114670.c0130951ca73643b5578c570a1dfc1a4@terane ws, "Icono Clast"
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > My mother, a San Franciscan, was an outstanding cook. She's still an
>> > > is but no longer cooks.
>> >
>> >
>> > San Francisco is historically a cosmopolitan city. My mother was born
>> > in South Dakota! My grandmother was born in those parts too and
>> > my great grandmother arrived there during the indian wars.
>> >
>> > I do praise my mother for her pies, in particular cherry pie. But
>> > her cream corn and Macaroni and Cheese turned my stomach.
>> >
>> I've always wondered why the majority of cooks in the Midwest are terrible -
>> to - mediocre. The raw materials for good food are readily available, e.g.
>> fine - quality meats, good produce (many folks have a garden), etc. Yet the
>> general level of home - cooked food (and much resto food) is fairly dire...
>> Must be a combinations of being provincial and viewing eating as simply
>> nothing more than sustenance I guess...
>>
>welcome to England
Welcome to the Netherlands surely?
The last guy I knew who spent all his time complaining about English
food, a German, was paid a daily allowance that was about 4 times a UK
gross salary for the job he did. He lived in an old caravan and fed
himself exclusively on chips from the local fish and chip shop and
junk food.
--
Martin
Jul 23rd 2005, 7:44 am
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Re: Brutal heat wave hits US-time to come to Europe
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:22:51 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Donna Evleth writes:
>> Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
>> the official threshhold for diabetes.
>Just barely. I've seen research that indicates that long-term glucose
>levels under 200 mg/dl are almost never associated with complications.
>So if your fasting glucose never rises above the levels you indicate
>above, you're not at very much risk.
>> These tests were not sequential, and I felt my GP was a bit excessive when
>> he immediately prescribed medication after the second high test.
>I agree. Diet and exercise first.
>> I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed the equipment I wanted
>> to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no medication and told
>> me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions, but that we would
>> not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there just wasn't that
>> much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
>And since then you've just been watching your diet and keeping an eye
>on glucose levels? Have they changed with your avoidance of high GI
>foods?
Are you a qualified doctor?
--
Martin
wrote:
>Donna Evleth writes:
>> Two fasting glucose tests which ran over 120 g/l but under 126 g/l, which is
>> the official threshhold for diabetes.
>Just barely. I've seen research that indicates that long-term glucose
>levels under 200 mg/dl are almost never associated with complications.
>So if your fasting glucose never rises above the levels you indicate
>above, you're not at very much risk.
>> These tests were not sequential, and I felt my GP was a bit excessive when
>> he immediately prescribed medication after the second high test.
>I agree. Diet and exercise first.
>> I thereupon went to a specialist who prescribed the equipment I wanted
>> to test my blood sugar at home, but prescribed no medication and told
>> me that I could feel free to call and ask her questions, but that we would
>> not be seeing each other on a regular basis because there just wasn't that
>> much wrong with me. She avoided classification of me, BTW.
>And since then you've just been watching your diet and keeping an eye
>on glucose levels? Have they changed with your avoidance of high GI
>foods?
Are you a qualified doctor?
--
Martin
Jul 23rd 2005, 7:45 am
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:23:11 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> How about taking this to e-mail?
>No.
Normally doctors do consultations in private.
--
Martin
wrote:
>Martin writes:
>> How about taking this to e-mail?
>No.
Normally doctors do consultations in private.
--
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Jul 23rd 2005, 7:47 am
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Martin writes:
> Normally doctors do consultations in private.
I'm not a doctor, and this isn't a consultation.
> Normally doctors do consultations in private.
I'm not a doctor, and this isn't a consultation.
Jul 23rd 2005, 7:48 am
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Martin writes:
> Are you a qualified doctor?
I don't need any qualifications to ask questions.
> Are you a qualified doctor?
I don't need any qualifications to ask questions.
Jul 23rd 2005, 7:53 am
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:16:54 +0200, Martin wrote:
>> Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
> If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
> cheese selection, and their prices are great. They frequently have chese
> (and wine) tastings on the weekends. You can even return food if you don't
> like it (though I've never tried that)!
> --
I visited a couple of Trader Joes in Southern California last year after my
American hosts described them as "gourmet delicatessens". I thought that the
selection of goods was reasonable, but no better than could be found in a
good grocery shop here in the UK. And I was surprised, initially, by the
large number of items which had been imported from Germany until I was
informed (I think by Martin, but am not sure about that) that Trader Joes is
owned by the same family who own Aldi, which is a very, very low cost
European supermarket chain which is predominantly German.
JohnT
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> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:16:54 +0200, Martin wrote:
>> Which cheese should I look for next time I visit the U.S.
> If you visit the west coast, find a Trader Joe's. They have a very good
> cheese selection, and their prices are great. They frequently have chese
> (and wine) tastings on the weekends. You can even return food if you don't
> like it (though I've never tried that)!
> --
I visited a couple of Trader Joes in Southern California last year after my
American hosts described them as "gourmet delicatessens". I thought that the
selection of goods was reasonable, but no better than could be found in a
good grocery shop here in the UK. And I was surprised, initially, by the
large number of items which had been imported from Germany until I was
informed (I think by Martin, but am not sure about that) that Trader Joes is
owned by the same family who own Aldi, which is a very, very low cost
European supermarket chain which is predominantly German.
JohnT
