On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:32:37 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to nitram
    >>>I think the "urban savages" are primarily a product of our
    >>>culture not alcohol, laws should be about the behaviour that
    >>>comes after drinking *from* *some* *people*.
    >>According to my two kids drinking 10 pints of 5% alcohol Europiss is
    >>not unusual for students.
    >but students probably don't go out and cause trouble afterwards,
    >just shag each other (not your two kids specifically).

Students are often the ones causing the trouble, mistaken by the
national press for drunken yobs. The first week my daughter was at
university she witnessed one drunken student repeatedly kicking a
sober student almost to death in McDs. The police treated it as
routine, as far as we know the person doing the kicking was never
prosecuted, he was studying law. It took a long time for the
university to react to complaints.
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Martin

Following up to Tim Challenger

    >> Yes, that's one way out, bit drastic of course. Did Scandinavians
    >> ever try eliminating prohibitions?
    >a sort of prohibition prohibition?

I need a drink.
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nitram wrote:
    >
    > Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
    > inhibited me in Norway.

Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.

M

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:39:25 +0000, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to Tim Challenger
    >>> Yes, that's one way out, bit drastic of course. Did Scandinavians
    >>> ever try eliminating prohibitions?
    >>a sort of prohibition prohibition?
    >I need a drink.

I'll have a double :-)
--
Martin

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:16 +0100, Mika
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >>
    >> Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
    >> inhibited me in Norway.
    >Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.

because the food is cheaper than in Norway? :-)
--
Martin

    > Traditionally in Spain there are little or no alcohol laws and
    > little or no drunkenness.
    > Italy I think is similar.
    > In England we have had restrictive laws and some drunkenness.
    > If the media are to be believed this has got worse recently.
    > Why do people think licensing laws are the cause of this
    > behaviour?

Price is more significant - in real terms the price of booze in
the UK has dropped dramatically over the last generation.

Loosening of licencing laws in Scotland (which are much less
restrictive than in England) has certainly had some effect -
there is a lot more late-night violence than there used to
be. Probably it's the same level of knifings and punchups
that you get in England earlier in the evening, but the police
hate it since it makes patrolling a lot more expensive. (Many
years ago I used to live in the centre of Edinburgh's disco
belt - the Tollcross "Pubic Triangle" - maybe the most violent
hectare in Scotland. It must have been dead easy for the cops,
as the clubs closed at a few synchronized times. The patrols
could focus on the area for the short period when fights were
scheduled, follow the screams, sort them out, and move on).


    > I think the answers to teenage binge drinking don't lie in
    > partial prohibition, that may even be part of the cause.
    > Go ahead, remove the laws, but stop marketing booze at kids.

Neither law nor marketing matter as much as price.

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:38:19 +0100, nitram wrote:

    > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:16 +0100, Mika
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>nitram wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
    >>> inhibited me in Norway.
    >>Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.
    >
    > because the food is cheaper than in Norway? :-)

Almost everything anywhere is cheaper than beer in Norway. :-( It didn't
stop me when I went there either. (Slowed me down a bit).

--
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:30:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:38:19 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:16 +0100, Mika
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>nitram wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
    >>>> inhibited me in Norway.
    >>>Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.
    >>
    >> because the food is cheaper than in Norway? :-)
    >Almost everything anywhere is cheaper than beer in Norway. :-( It didn't
    >stop me when I went there either. (Slowed me down a bit).

It slowed me down to buying one beer. :-((
--
Martin

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:36:26 +0100, nitram wrote:

    > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:30:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:38:19 +0100, nitram wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:16 +0100, Mika
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>nitram wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
    >>>>> inhibited me in Norway.
    >>>>Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.
    >>>
    >>> because the food is cheaper than in Norway? :-)
    >>Almost everything anywhere is cheaper than beer in Norway. :-( It didn't
    >>stop me when I went there either. (Slowed me down a bit).
    >
    > It slowed me down to buying one beer. :-((

Ouch. Or a "pint of bear" as it said on one menu I saw there.

--
Tim C.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:58:28 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:36:26 +0100, nitram wrote:
...
... > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:30:22 +0100, Tim Challenger
... > <[email protected]> wrote:
... >
... >>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:38:19 +0100, nitram wrote:
... >>
... >>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:16 +0100, Mika
... >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
... >>>
... >>>>nitram wrote:
... >>>>>
... >>>>> Charging more for a beer than the meal I had with it, certainly
... >>>>> inhibited me in Norway.
... >>>>
... >>>>Never inhibited me in Indonesia though.
... >>>
... >>> because the food is cheaper than in Norway? :-)
... >>
... >>Almost everything anywhere is cheaper than beer in Norway. :-( It didn't
... >>stop me when I went there either. (Slowed me down a bit).
... >
... > It slowed me down to buying one beer. :-((
...
... Ouch. Or a "pint of bear" as it said on one menu I saw there.

The French menus have "raped carrots".

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:39 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:


    > ... Ouch. Or a "pint of bear" as it said on one menu I saw there.
    >The French menus have "raped carrots".

In Singapore they offer cucumbers.
--
Martin

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:39 +0100, Magda wrote:

    > The French menus have "raped carrots".

8-o ???? Huh?

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:16:28 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:39 +0100, Magda wrote:
...
... > The French menus have "raped carrots".
...
... 8-o ???? Huh?

Râpé = grated.
Don't expect the French to open a dictionary - they know everything ! :ppp

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:29:59 +0100, Magda wrote:

    > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:16:28 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:39 +0100, Magda wrote:
    > ...
    > ... > The French menus have "raped carrots".
    > ...
    > ... 8-o ???? Huh?
    >
    > Râpé = grated.
    > Don't expect the French to open a dictionary - they know everything ! :ppp

I would never have worked that one out. :-)

--
Tim C.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:16:28 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:39 +0100, Magda wrote:
    >> The French menus have "raped carrots".
    >8-o ???? Huh?

Grated
--
Martin