Austria Snubs Starbucks
Jan 2nd 2005, 8:42 pm
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:57:24 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:51:21 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>>>>Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>>>>"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>>>>puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>>>>the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>>>>free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>>>>globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>>>>a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>>>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>>>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>>>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>>>an hour or so.)
>>
>>
>> but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
I was agreeing with you :-)
>Exactly the point I was making! (I think you misread my
>post.) I don't patronize Starbuck's in the U.S. (where its
>coffee is marginally better than the average
>restaurant/"coffee shop"). Why on EARTH would I patronize
>it in Vienna, of all places?
I tried Starbucks in York. I wouldn't go again.
>>
>> If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
>> hour.
>Actually not - as soon as I get into clear air, again, the
>stuffiness goes away. (The "half hour" referred to the
>minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>coffee.)
Tobacco smoke messes up my breathing for about a day.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:51:21 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>>>>Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>>>>"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>>>>puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>>>>the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>>>>free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>>>>globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>>>>a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>>>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>>>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>>>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>>>an hour or so.)
>>
>>
>> but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
I was agreeing with you :-)
>Exactly the point I was making! (I think you misread my
>post.) I don't patronize Starbuck's in the U.S. (where its
>coffee is marginally better than the average
>restaurant/"coffee shop"). Why on EARTH would I patronize
>it in Vienna, of all places?
I tried Starbucks in York. I wouldn't go again.
>>
>> If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
>> hour.
>Actually not - as soon as I get into clear air, again, the
>stuffiness goes away. (The "half hour" referred to the
>minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>coffee.)
Tobacco smoke messes up my breathing for about a day.
--
Martin
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:08 pm
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:19:38 +0100, szozu wrote:
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
No, it just loves coffee.
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Tim C.
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
No, it just loves coffee.
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Jan 2nd 2005, 9:10 pm
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:20:04 GMT, Mimi wrote:
> Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
> European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
You mean they don't read newspapers in original Viennese coffee houses?
I'd hardly call one Starbucks in Austria a "custom".
--
Tim C.
> Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
> European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
You mean they don't read newspapers in original Viennese coffee houses?
I'd hardly call one Starbucks in Austria a "custom".
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Tim C.
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:12 pm
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>> coffee.)
>
> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
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Tim C.
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>> coffee.)
>
> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
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Tim C.
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:15 pm
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>> coffee.)
>>
>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>> coffee.)
>>
>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
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Martin
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:19 pm
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:15:30 +0100, nitram wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>> coffee.)
>>>
>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>
> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
:-)
--
Tim C.
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>> coffee.)
>>>
>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>
> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
:-)
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Tim C.
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:27 pm
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:19:28 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:15:30 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>>> coffee.)
>>>>
>>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>>
>> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
>:-)
Perhaps the reason that there aren't any Starbucks in NL? :-)
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:15:30 +0100, nitram wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>>> coffee.)
>>>>
>>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>>
>> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
>:-)
Perhaps the reason that there aren't any Starbucks in NL? :-)
--
Martin
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:47 pm
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:27:34 +0100, nitram wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:19:28 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:15:30 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>>>> coffee.)
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>>>
>>> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
>>:-)
>
> Perhaps the reason that there aren't any Starbucks in NL? :-)
Who needs a reason? But that's a good one!
--
Tim C.
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:19:28 +0100, Tim Challenger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:15:30 +0100, nitram wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:10 +0100, Tim Challenger
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:32:16 +0100, Luca Logi wrote:
>>>>> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (The "half hour" referred to the
>>>>>> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
>>>>>> coffee.)
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
>>>>Have you tried a "kleiner schwarze" in a Viennese coffee house? It'll take
>>>>you a 1/4 hour to stop twitching.
>>>
>>> and they don't even sell the Dutch koffie shop specialties.
>>:-)
>
> Perhaps the reason that there aren't any Starbucks in NL? :-)
Who needs a reason? But that's a good one!
--
Tim C.
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:52 pm
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Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
Because Starbucks coffee in Italy would never be more of a curiosity
for the locals. That kind of watered down coffee is just not of their
taste (just like Spanish and Portuguese, too).
btw: I've only been in one single Starbucks, the one in Madrid, and
found it mostly visited by British and American tourists. Anyway I
appreciated the sofas :)
J.
> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
Because Starbucks coffee in Italy would never be more of a curiosity
for the locals. That kind of watered down coffee is just not of their
taste (just like Spanish and Portuguese, too).
btw: I've only been in one single Starbucks, the one in Madrid, and
found it mostly visited by British and American tourists. Anyway I
appreciated the sofas :)
J.
Jan 3rd 2005, 12:54 am
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nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
> in
> Australia
> Austria
> Beijing
> Germany
> Greece
> Japan
> Hawaii
> Hong Kong
> New Zealand
> Shanghai
> South Korea
> Spain
> Switzerland
> Taiwan
> Thailand
> Turkey
> United Kingdom
Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
miguel
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> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
> in
> Australia
> Austria
> Beijing
> Germany
> Greece
> Japan
> Hawaii
> Hong Kong
> New Zealand
> Shanghai
> South Korea
> Spain
> Switzerland
> Taiwan
> Thailand
> Turkey
> United Kingdom
Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
miguel
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Jan 3rd 2005, 2:10 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:54:20 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
>> in
>> Australia
>> Austria
>> Beijing
>> Germany
>> Greece
>> Japan
>> Hawaii
>> Hong Kong
>> New Zealand
>> Shanghai
>> South Korea
>> Spain
>> Switzerland
>> Taiwan
>> Thailand
>> Turkey
>> United Kingdom
>Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
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Martin
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
>> in
>> Australia
>> Austria
>> Beijing
>> Germany
>> Greece
>> Japan
>> Hawaii
>> Hong Kong
>> New Zealand
>> Shanghai
>> South Korea
>> Spain
>> Switzerland
>> Taiwan
>> Thailand
>> Turkey
>> United Kingdom
>Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
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Martin
Jan 3rd 2005, 3:26 am
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nitram wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:28:58 -0500, S Viemeister
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>>I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
>>>coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
>>>style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
>>>Italy itself be any different?
>>There's even one in Inversneckie.
>
>
> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
> in
> Australia
> Austria
> Beijing
> Germany
> Greece
> Japan
> Hawaii
> Hong Kong
> New Zealand
> Shanghai
> South Korea
> Spain
> Switzerland
> Taiwan
> Thailand
> Turkey
> United Kingdom
Karstadt, the big chainstore in Germany, just recently sold their stake
in Starbucks back to the US company. See
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,320674,00.html for example -
"The End Of The Frappucino Escapade"
T.
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:28:58 -0500, S Viemeister
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>>>I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
>>>coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
>>>style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
>>>Italy itself be any different?
>>There's even one in Inversneckie.
>
>
> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
> in
> Australia
> Austria
> Beijing
> Germany
> Greece
> Japan
> Hawaii
> Hong Kong
> New Zealand
> Shanghai
> South Korea
> Spain
> Switzerland
> Taiwan
> Thailand
> Turkey
> United Kingdom
Karstadt, the big chainstore in Germany, just recently sold their stake
in Starbucks back to the US company. See
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,320674,00.html for example -
"The End Of The Frappucino Escapade"
T.
Jan 3rd 2005, 3:48 am
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"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1104746821.4e46718da417f18e6f7d7f64e499b784@t eranews...
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:20:04 GMT, Mimi wrote:
>> Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
>> European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
> You mean they don't read newspapers in original Viennese coffee houses?
> I'd hardly call one Starbucks in Austria a "custom".
No, I mean they do, of course. I'm saying Starbucks copied aspects of
Viennese coffee houses.
Marianne
news:1104746821.4e46718da417f18e6f7d7f64e499b784@t eranews...
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:20:04 GMT, Mimi wrote:
>> Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
>> European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
> You mean they don't read newspapers in original Viennese coffee houses?
> I'd hardly call one Starbucks in Austria a "custom".
No, I mean they do, of course. I'm saying Starbucks copied aspects of
Viennese coffee houses.
Marianne
Jan 3rd 2005, 4:11 am
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nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places in
>>> Australia, Austria, Beijing, Germany, Greece, Japan, Hawaii, Hong Kong,
>>> New Zealand, Shanghai, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan,
>>> Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom
>> Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
> I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
I know, I wasn't blaming you (not too much, anyway). I think Starbucks
actually has shops in every country but they don't want people to know. I
could have sworn I saw one in Mosul.
miguel
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> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places in
>>> Australia, Austria, Beijing, Germany, Greece, Japan, Hawaii, Hong Kong,
>>> New Zealand, Shanghai, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan,
>>> Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom
>> Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
> I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
I know, I wasn't blaming you (not too much, anyway). I think Starbucks
actually has shops in every country but they don't want people to know. I
could have sworn I saw one in Mosul.
miguel
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Jan 3rd 2005, 4:27 am
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:11:41 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places in
>>>> Australia, Austria, Beijing, Germany, Greece, Japan, Hawaii, Hong Kong,
>>>> New Zealand, Shanghai, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan,
>>>> Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom
>>> Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
>> I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
>I know, I wasn't blaming you (not too much, anyway). I think Starbucks
>actually has shops in every country but they don't want people to know. I
>could have sworn I saw one in Mosul.
or was it the local CIA HQ? :-)
Only wall to wall koffie shops in this part of the world.
I'm still amazed that after 20 years of making the worst chips in
Benelux McD.s are still in business here.
--
Martin
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places in
>>>> Australia, Austria, Beijing, Germany, Greece, Japan, Hawaii, Hong Kong,
>>>> New Zealand, Shanghai, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan,
>>>> Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom
>>> Plenty more than that. Malaysia, Singapore, and UAE, to name a few.
>> I got the list from the official Starbucks website.
>I know, I wasn't blaming you (not too much, anyway). I think Starbucks
>actually has shops in every country but they don't want people to know. I
>could have sworn I saw one in Mosul.
or was it the local CIA HQ? :-)
Only wall to wall koffie shops in this part of the world.
I'm still amazed that after 20 years of making the worst chips in
Benelux McD.s are still in business here.
--
Martin
