Austria Snubs Starbucks
Jan 8th 2005, 7:55 am
#166
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
nitram wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:34:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>nitram wrote:
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
>>>>could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
>>>>"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
>>>>way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
>>>>afford retirement.)
>>>That's really sad and it's going to happen to many others.
>>>Aren't you o.k. as long as you live in a country, whose currency is
>>>locked to the dollar?
>>Only if I were allowed to use their "National Health" (never
>>having lived there during my productive years to earn it)
>>instead of paying for my medical care in the "declining"
>>years when I am more likely to need it. Also, how many
>>Euorpean countries ARE "locked to the dollar"?
>
>
> Zero as far as I know, who mentioned Europe?
Where else would I (personally) want to live? Canada, of
course, if it weren't for the climate - but I spent my first
twenty years in Minnesota, so experienced enough of THAT
kind of winter to last a lifetime!
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:34:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>nitram wrote:
>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
>>>>could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
>>>>"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
>>>>way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
>>>>afford retirement.)
>>>That's really sad and it's going to happen to many others.
>>>Aren't you o.k. as long as you live in a country, whose currency is
>>>locked to the dollar?
>>Only if I were allowed to use their "National Health" (never
>>having lived there during my productive years to earn it)
>>instead of paying for my medical care in the "declining"
>>years when I am more likely to need it. Also, how many
>>Euorpean countries ARE "locked to the dollar"?
>
>
> Zero as far as I know, who mentioned Europe?
Where else would I (personally) want to live? Canada, of
course, if it weren't for the climate - but I spent my first
twenty years in Minnesota, so experienced enough of THAT
kind of winter to last a lifetime!
Jan 8th 2005, 7:58 am
#167
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Miguel Cruz writes:
>
>
>>What is your basis for the claim that the intent of the authors of the
>>Constitution was to exclude anyone not actually born in the USA?
>
>
> They didn't want anyone from England becoming President, so they
> explicitly required the President to be a native-born American.
But not "Native American", of course! (Were they even
allowed to be voting citizens?)
> Miguel Cruz writes:
>
>
>>What is your basis for the claim that the intent of the authors of the
>>Constitution was to exclude anyone not actually born in the USA?
>
>
> They didn't want anyone from England becoming President, so they
> explicitly required the President to be a native-born American.
But not "Native American", of course! (Were they even
allowed to be voting citizens?)
Jan 8th 2005, 8:01 am
#168
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> nitram writes:
>
>
>>Only millionaires become US president.
>
>
> That's true today; it wasn't so true in the past, although paupers have
> never been Presidents.
Wasn't there a time when "paupers" were not allowed to vote?
>
> nitram writes:
>
>
>>Only millionaires become US president.
>
>
> That's true today; it wasn't so true in the past, although paupers have
> never been Presidents.
Wasn't there a time when "paupers" were not allowed to vote?
>
Jan 8th 2005, 8:07 am
#169
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
S Viemeister wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
>>You do not have to be "actually born in the USA" to be a "natural born
>>Citizen." You just have to have been a citizen at birth, rather than later
>>naturalized.
>
> Although born in the UK to a Scottish mother (and therefore a British
> citizen), I am also a 'natural-born' citizen of the US, with the papers to
> prove it.
I think if you plan to run for President of the U.S., you
might have to renounce your dual citizenship. ;-)
>
> Sheila
>
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
>>You do not have to be "actually born in the USA" to be a "natural born
>>Citizen." You just have to have been a citizen at birth, rather than later
>>naturalized.
>
> Although born in the UK to a Scottish mother (and therefore a British
> citizen), I am also a 'natural-born' citizen of the US, with the papers to
> prove it.
I think if you plan to run for President of the U.S., you
might have to renounce your dual citizenship. ;-)
>
> Sheila
>
Jan 8th 2005, 8:16 am
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Re: Imigrant Presidents was: Austria Snubs Starbucks
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and is
> superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess that
> Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
descends, after that.
>
> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and is
> superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess that
> Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
descends, after that.
Jan 8th 2005, 9:08 am
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Re: Imigrant Presidents was: Austria Snubs Starbucks
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>> is
>> superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>> that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
>
> He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
> old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
> Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
> I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
> the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
> descends, after that.
Together with current occupants, though occupants soon to change:
* The Vice President Richard Cheney
* Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
* President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
* Secretary of State Colin Powell
* Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
* Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
* Attorney General John Ashcroft
* Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
* Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
* Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
* Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
* Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
* Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
* Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
* Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
* Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
* Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
* Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
--
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>
>> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>> is
>> superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>> that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
>
> He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
> old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
> Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
> I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
> the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
> descends, after that.
Together with current occupants, though occupants soon to change:
* The Vice President Richard Cheney
* Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
* President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
* Secretary of State Colin Powell
* Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
* Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
* Attorney General John Ashcroft
* Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
* Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
* Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
* Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
* Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
* Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
* Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
* Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
* Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
* Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
* Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
--
Jan 8th 2005, 9:24 am
#172
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:37:54 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I omitted to mention that nepotism helps in US politics.
>Good ol' John Quincy Adams.
not to mention The Family Bush
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Martin
wrote:
>nitram <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I omitted to mention that nepotism helps in US politics.
>Good ol' John Quincy Adams.
not to mention The Family Bush
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Jan 8th 2005, 9:28 am
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:45:12 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The president must be a "natural born" citizen. One can
>> be a natural born citizen without being born in the USA.
>WTF does "natural born" mean? Were they trying to exclude
>thoae who were from their mother's womb untimely ripped?
LOL that's exactly what I thought. Macbeth has murdered sleep....
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The president must be a "natural born" citizen. One can
>> be a natural born citizen without being born in the USA.
>WTF does "natural born" mean? Were they trying to exclude
>thoae who were from their mother's womb untimely ripped?
LOL that's exactly what I thought. Macbeth has murdered sleep....
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Martin
Jan 8th 2005, 9:29 am
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:42:21 -0000, "JohnT"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"S Viemeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>> You do not have to be "actually born in the USA" to be a "natural born
>>> Citizen." You just have to have been a citizen at birth, rather than
>>> later
>>> naturalized.
>> Although born in the UK to a Scottish mother (and therefore a British
>> citizen), I am also a 'natural-born' citizen of the US, with the papers
>> to
>> prove it.
>> Sheila
>Don't worry about it. It wasn't your fault!
Twice! :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"S Viemeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>> You do not have to be "actually born in the USA" to be a "natural born
>>> Citizen." You just have to have been a citizen at birth, rather than
>>> later
>>> naturalized.
>> Although born in the UK to a Scottish mother (and therefore a British
>> citizen), I am also a 'natural-born' citizen of the US, with the papers
>> to
>> prove it.
>> Sheila
>Don't worry about it. It wasn't your fault!
Twice! :-)
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Martin
Jan 8th 2005, 9:30 am
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:30:32 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:18:46 -0800,
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
>>>>could Arnie.
>>>Well, it WOULD require a constitutional amendment! The
>>>president must be U.S. born,
>>
>>
>> No. The president must be a "natural born" citizen. One can be a
>> natural born citizen without being born in the USA.
>Yes, but Austria has never been a U.S. possession, has it?
>SFAIK, "natural born" means either born in the U.S. (or one
>of its posessions) or born abroad to parents who are U.S.
>citizens. I don't think Arnold qualifies on either count.
What if his real father turns out to have been a US serviceman? It
would explain a lot :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:18:46 -0800,
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
>>>>could Arnie.
>>>Well, it WOULD require a constitutional amendment! The
>>>president must be U.S. born,
>>
>>
>> No. The president must be a "natural born" citizen. One can be a
>> natural born citizen without being born in the USA.
>Yes, but Austria has never been a U.S. possession, has it?
>SFAIK, "natural born" means either born in the U.S. (or one
>of its posessions) or born abroad to parents who are U.S.
>citizens. I don't think Arnold qualifies on either count.
What if his real father turns out to have been a US serviceman? It
would explain a lot :-)
--
Martin
Jan 8th 2005, 9:31 am
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:55:39 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:34:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nitram wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
>>>>>could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
>>>>>"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
>>>>>way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
>>>>>afford retirement.)
>>>>That's really sad and it's going to happen to many others.
>>>>Aren't you o.k. as long as you live in a country, whose currency is
>>>>locked to the dollar?
>>>Only if I were allowed to use their "National Health" (never
>>>having lived there during my productive years to earn it)
>>>instead of paying for my medical care in the "declining"
>>>years when I am more likely to need it. Also, how many
>>>Euorpean countries ARE "locked to the dollar"?
>>
>>
>> Zero as far as I know, who mentioned Europe?
>Where else would I (personally) want to live?
Australia is a good place to retire.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nitram wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:34:36 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nitram wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
>>>>>could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
>>>>>"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
>>>>>way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
>>>>>afford retirement.)
>>>>That's really sad and it's going to happen to many others.
>>>>Aren't you o.k. as long as you live in a country, whose currency is
>>>>locked to the dollar?
>>>Only if I were allowed to use their "National Health" (never
>>>having lived there during my productive years to earn it)
>>>instead of paying for my medical care in the "declining"
>>>years when I am more likely to need it. Also, how many
>>>Euorpean countries ARE "locked to the dollar"?
>>
>>
>> Zero as far as I know, who mentioned Europe?
>Where else would I (personally) want to live?
Australia is a good place to retire.
--
Martin
Jan 8th 2005, 10:01 am
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Re: Imigrant Presidents was: Austria Snubs Starbucks
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>> is superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>> that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
> He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the old rules of
> succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the Secretary of State, if the
> Vice President died or whatever. I think now it's the Speaker of the
> House who comes after the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the
> sceptre descends, after that.
The Duchess of York?
JohnT
news:[email protected]...
> Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>> True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>> is superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>> that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
> He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the old rules of
> succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the Secretary of State, if the
> Vice President died or whatever. I think now it's the Speaker of the
> House who comes after the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the
> sceptre descends, after that.
The Duchess of York?
JohnT
Jan 8th 2005, 11:30 am
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"Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1104841400.409157.192760
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> *blush*
>
> I was fully aware of that but being a native Spanish speaker, it
> interferred with my attempt at Italian.
>
were you a native Catalan speaker (which your nickname lets me politely
suspect to) the extra "X" would have done perfectly towards the correct
italian pronunciation :-)
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@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> *blush*
>
> I was fully aware of that but being a native Spanish speaker, it
> interferred with my attempt at Italian.
>
were you a native Catalan speaker (which your nickname lets me politely
suspect to) the extra "X" would have done perfectly towards the correct
italian pronunciation :-)
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Jan 8th 2005, 11:34 am
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nitram <[email protected]> wrote in news:ja00u0dcdgref29a18h8j68iitk5jsb7k8@
4ax.com:
> except on Camilla?
>
> Gaston is probably better trained.
on Camilla ?
qqg
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> except on Camilla?
>
> Gaston is probably better trained.
on Camilla ?
qqg
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Jan 8th 2005, 11:39 am
#180
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Re: Imigrant Presidents was: Austria Snubs Starbucks
[email protected] wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
>>Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>>>is
>>>superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>>>that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
>>He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
>>old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
>>Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
>> I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
>>the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
>>descends, after that.
>
>
> Together with current occupants, though occupants soon to change:
>
> * The Vice President Richard Cheney
> * Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
> * President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
> * Secretary of State Colin Powell
> * Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
> * Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
> * Attorney General John Ashcroft
> * Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
> * Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
> * Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
> * Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
> * Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
> * Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
> * Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
> * Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
> * Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
> * Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
> * Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
>
> --
>
>
>
The point that needs to be remembered is that there is a mechanism for
appointing a vice president. The long list only comes into play if the
president kicks off before the replacement VP is confirmed.
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
>
>>Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>>>True but any restriction against age discrimination is statutory and
>>>is
>>>superseded by the constitution. Since it says "eligible" I guess
>>>that Arnie couldn't be appointed vice if Cheesy left.
>>He couldn't, anyway, could he? I know they've changed the
>>old rules of succession, which (IIRC) devolved upon the
>>Secretary of State, if the Vice President died or whatever.
>> I think now it's the Speaker of the House who comes after
>>the Vice President, but I'm not sure where the sceptre
>>descends, after that.
>
>
> Together with current occupants, though occupants soon to change:
>
> * The Vice President Richard Cheney
> * Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
> * President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens
> * Secretary of State Colin Powell
> * Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
> * Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
> * Attorney General John Ashcroft
> * Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
> * Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
> * Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
> * Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
> * Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
> * Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
> * Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
> * Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
> * Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
> * Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
> * Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
>
> --
>
>
>
The point that needs to be remembered is that there is a mechanism for
appointing a vice president. The long list only comes into play if the
president kicks off before the replacement VP is confirmed.
