Austria Snubs Starbucks
Jan 5th 2005, 6:42 pm
#76
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Georg Naggies <[email protected]> wrote:
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> seriously, it's mostly about the clean air. Starbucks deserves success for
> going ahead in that respect.
I have to admit I agree with you. Though I haven't been to Vienna
(something which will be remedied in July!) I've followed the thread
with interest. If I want to sit down somewhere and have a coffee, I'd
rather not have someone blowing cancer sticks in my face, and while I'm
not a big fan of the big coffee chains, they do usually guarantee a
non-smoking section, in most of the countries I've seen them anyway.
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[]
> seriously, it's mostly about the clean air. Starbucks deserves success for
> going ahead in that respect.
I have to admit I agree with you. Though I haven't been to Vienna
(something which will be remedied in July!) I've followed the thread
with interest. If I want to sit down somewhere and have a coffee, I'd
rather not have someone blowing cancer sticks in my face, and while I'm
not a big fan of the big coffee chains, they do usually guarantee a
non-smoking section, in most of the countries I've seen them anyway.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 5th 2005, 8:52 pm
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Keith W writes:
>> Incorrect, both use the same energy source but utilise
>> different image processing techniques.
> Both use nuclear magnetic resonance. The "nuclear" was dropped because
> it sounded dangerous.
Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners. NMR scanners
were based on the principle that different kinds of animal tissue
emit response signals that vary in length, and that cancerous tissue
emits response signals that last much longer than non cancerous tissue.
A patent was granted by the U.S. Patent Office in 1974 to Raymond Damadian
entitled "Apparatus and Method for Detecting Cancer in Tissue." for just
such a device. This is an NMR scanner
Paul Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield developed a system
for creating a two-dimensional picture by introducing gradients
in the magnetic field. By analysis of the characteristics of the
emitted radio waves, they found they could determine their origin.
This made it possible to build up two-dimensional pictures of
structures that could not be visualized with other methods.
This is the basis of the MRI scanner.
Note that in 2002, Kurt Wüthrich of Switzerland, was awarded
a Nobel prize for his development of nuclear magnetic resonance
spectroscopy for determination of the three-dimensional structure
of biological macromolecules in solution so we may yet see
NMR scanners make a comeback.
>> Nuclear magnetic resonance is the resonance that occurs when a nucleus is
>> placed in a magnetic field and is swept by a radio frequency that causes
>> the
>> nuclei to flip. This causes the radio frequency to be absorbed, which is
>> what is measured by an NMR scanner.
>> Magnetic resonance imaging is similar to NMR but is a more complex
>> application in which the geometric source of the resonances is detected
>> and
>> calculated by Fourier transform analysis (Mattson and Simon, 1996).
> And both are forms of CAT scanning.
Well sort of in that they use computer assisted tomographic
techniques but the term CAT Scanner is normally used
to denote a device that combines multiple X-Ray images.
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> Keith W writes:
>> Incorrect, both use the same energy source but utilise
>> different image processing techniques.
> Both use nuclear magnetic resonance. The "nuclear" was dropped because
> it sounded dangerous.
Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners. NMR scanners
were based on the principle that different kinds of animal tissue
emit response signals that vary in length, and that cancerous tissue
emits response signals that last much longer than non cancerous tissue.
A patent was granted by the U.S. Patent Office in 1974 to Raymond Damadian
entitled "Apparatus and Method for Detecting Cancer in Tissue." for just
such a device. This is an NMR scanner
Paul Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield developed a system
for creating a two-dimensional picture by introducing gradients
in the magnetic field. By analysis of the characteristics of the
emitted radio waves, they found they could determine their origin.
This made it possible to build up two-dimensional pictures of
structures that could not be visualized with other methods.
This is the basis of the MRI scanner.
Note that in 2002, Kurt Wüthrich of Switzerland, was awarded
a Nobel prize for his development of nuclear magnetic resonance
spectroscopy for determination of the three-dimensional structure
of biological macromolecules in solution so we may yet see
NMR scanners make a comeback.
>> Nuclear magnetic resonance is the resonance that occurs when a nucleus is
>> placed in a magnetic field and is swept by a radio frequency that causes
>> the
>> nuclei to flip. This causes the radio frequency to be absorbed, which is
>> what is measured by an NMR scanner.
>> Magnetic resonance imaging is similar to NMR but is a more complex
>> application in which the geometric source of the resonances is detected
>> and
>> calculated by Fourier transform analysis (Mattson and Simon, 1996).
> And both are forms of CAT scanning.
Well sort of in that they use computer assisted tomographic
techniques but the term CAT Scanner is normally used
to denote a device that combines multiple X-Ray images.
Keith
Jan 5th 2005, 9:41 pm
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
Hi,
> If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
> differently in Vienna?
Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
one-taste-Starbucks?
> The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
> clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
It's not good, that...
> Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
> Austrian by birth!
*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
and become president himself. Although, thinking again, that might solve
some of the European-US tensions that the current president has managed
to build up.
R
> If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
> differently in Vienna?
Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
one-taste-Starbucks?
> The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
> clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
It's not good, that...
> Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
> Austrian by birth!
*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
and become president himself. Although, thinking again, that might solve
some of the European-US tensions that the current president has managed
to build up.
R
Jan 5th 2005, 9:59 pm
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:39:28 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm of your opinion - why travel, if you want everything to be the same as
>> at home? (Cheaper to stay there, in the first place.)
>If you go to places where things are genuinely different from home, it
>can be cheaper to travel than not.
Particularly true of Greece 20 odd years ago, we actually made net
savings by taking holidays in Greece rather than staying at home.
It was the reason that German unemployed teenagers moved to Greece and
lived on German unemployment benefits. I think Germany stopped this.
We don't want the unemployed enjoying their lives do we?
--
Martin
wrote:
>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm of your opinion - why travel, if you want everything to be the same as
>> at home? (Cheaper to stay there, in the first place.)
>If you go to places where things are genuinely different from home, it
>can be cheaper to travel than not.
Particularly true of Greece 20 odd years ago, we actually made net
savings by taking holidays in Greece rather than staying at home.
It was the reason that German unemployed teenagers moved to Greece and
lived on German unemployment benefits. I think Germany stopped this.
We don't want the unemployed enjoying their lives do we?
--
Martin
Jan 5th 2005, 10:26 pm
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> why travel, if you want everything to be the same as at home?
I give up. Why?
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> why travel, if you want everything to be the same as at home?
I give up. Why?
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Jan 6th 2005, 12:10 am
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Re: Austria Snubs Starbucks
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:41:42 +0100, Ralph Holz <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>> If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
>> differently in Vienna?
>Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
>coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
>one-taste-Starbucks?
>> The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
>> clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
>It's not good, that...
>> Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
>> Austrian by birth!
>*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
>and become president himself.
I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
could Arnie.
--
Martin
wrote:
>Hi,
>> If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
>> differently in Vienna?
>Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
>coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
>one-taste-Starbucks?
>> The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
>> clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
>It's not good, that...
>> Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
>> Austrian by birth!
>*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
>and become president himself.
I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
could Arnie.
--
Martin
Jan 6th 2005, 7:22 am
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Keith W writes:
> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
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> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
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Jan 6th 2005, 7:41 am
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On 2005-01-06 21:22:51 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
> Keith W writes:
>
>> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
>
> No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
Argument by assertion.
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> Keith W writes:
>
>> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
>
> No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
Argument by assertion.
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Jan 6th 2005, 7:49 am
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:41:01 +0100, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-01-06 21:22:51 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
>> Keith W writes:
>>
>>> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>>> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
>>
>> No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
>Argument by assertion.
No argument as usual.
The little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the
spoon..
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Martin
wrote:
>On 2005-01-06 21:22:51 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]> said:
>> Keith W writes:
>>
>>> Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>>> NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners.
>>
>> No, it was dropped to avoid scaring people.
>Argument by assertion.
No argument as usual.
The little dog laughed to see such fun and the dish ran away with the
spoon..
--
Martin
Jan 6th 2005, 10:01 am
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:52:36 -0000, "Keith W"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Keith W writes:
>>> Incorrect, both use the same energy source but utilise
>>> different image processing techniques.
>> Both use nuclear magnetic resonance. The "nuclear" was dropped because
>> it sounded dangerous.
>Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners. NMR scanners
>were based on the principle that different kinds of animal tissue
>emit response signals that vary in length, and that cancerous tissue
>emits response signals that last much longer than non cancerous tissue.
>A patent was granted by the U.S. Patent Office in 1974 to Raymond Damadian
>entitled "Apparatus and Method for Detecting Cancer in Tissue." for just
>such a device. This is an NMR scanner
>Paul Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield developed a system
>for creating a two-dimensional picture by introducing gradients
>in the magnetic field. By analysis of the characteristics of the
>emitted radio waves, they found they could determine their origin.
>This made it possible to build up two-dimensional pictures of
>structures that could not be visualized with other methods.
>This is the basis of the MRI scanner.
Nuclear magnetic resonance is nuclear magnetic resonance, whether
it's used for imaging or not. When I wasd teaching a university
physics labe we had a simple nuclear magnetic resonance device
set up, just a Helmholtz coil and some associated stuff, and it
was simple, no images. MRI is a system for using NMR for imaging,
and for a brief time it was referred to as NMRI.
Of course, the "nuclear" has nothing to do with bombs or nuclear
energy or fission or radiation, only that the process works by
magnetic excitation of the nucleus of atoms.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Keith W writes:
>>> Incorrect, both use the same energy source but utilise
>>> different image processing techniques.
>> Both use nuclear magnetic resonance. The "nuclear" was dropped because
>> it sounded dangerous.
>Nope it was dropped to indicate the difference between
>NMR scanners and MRI imaging scanners. NMR scanners
>were based on the principle that different kinds of animal tissue
>emit response signals that vary in length, and that cancerous tissue
>emits response signals that last much longer than non cancerous tissue.
>A patent was granted by the U.S. Patent Office in 1974 to Raymond Damadian
>entitled "Apparatus and Method for Detecting Cancer in Tissue." for just
>such a device. This is an NMR scanner
>Paul Lauterbur and Peter Mansfield developed a system
>for creating a two-dimensional picture by introducing gradients
>in the magnetic field. By analysis of the characteristics of the
>emitted radio waves, they found they could determine their origin.
>This made it possible to build up two-dimensional pictures of
>structures that could not be visualized with other methods.
>This is the basis of the MRI scanner.
Nuclear magnetic resonance is nuclear magnetic resonance, whether
it's used for imaging or not. When I wasd teaching a university
physics labe we had a simple nuclear magnetic resonance device
set up, just a Helmholtz coil and some associated stuff, and it
was simple, no images. MRI is a system for using NMR for imaging,
and for a brief time it was referred to as NMRI.
Of course, the "nuclear" has nothing to do with bombs or nuclear
energy or fission or radiation, only that the process works by
magnetic excitation of the nucleus of atoms.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jan 6th 2005, 2:37 pm
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The Rev Gaston writes:
> Argument by assertion.
Fighting fire with fire.
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> Argument by assertion.
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Jan 6th 2005, 2:39 pm
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Hatunen writes:
> Of course, the "nuclear" has nothing to do with bombs or nuclear
> energy or fission or radiation, only that the process works by
> magnetic excitation of the nucleus of atoms.
Exactly, but the uninformed patient, practitioner, or public usually
believed otherwise. These are the same people who fret over dihydrogen
monoxide poisoning.
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> Of course, the "nuclear" has nothing to do with bombs or nuclear
> energy or fission or radiation, only that the process works by
> magnetic excitation of the nucleus of atoms.
Exactly, but the uninformed patient, practitioner, or public usually
believed otherwise. These are the same people who fret over dihydrogen
monoxide poisoning.
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Jan 6th 2005, 2:46 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Exactly, but the uninformed patient, practitioner, or public usually
> believed otherwise. These are the same people who fret over dihydrogen
> monoxide poisoning.
I had an MRI just after a TV drama (Messiah III) depicted someone being
'murdered' by being placed in one. Even though I had no reason to be, I
was a little nervous. Having my nipple ring sellotaped against my chest
didn't help. Anyway, it was all fine, but I asked the nurse later if
anyone had mentioned the TV programme, and he said that several people
(more than usual) had called the day after it was shown to cancel
appointments!
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
[]
> Exactly, but the uninformed patient, practitioner, or public usually
> believed otherwise. These are the same people who fret over dihydrogen
> monoxide poisoning.
I had an MRI just after a TV drama (Messiah III) depicted someone being
'murdered' by being placed in one. Even though I had no reason to be, I
was a little nervous. Having my nipple ring sellotaped against my chest
didn't help. Anyway, it was all fine, but I asked the nurse later if
anyone had mentioned the TV programme, and he said that several people
(more than usual) had called the day after it was shown to cancel
appointments!
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 6th 2005, 3:15 pm
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nitram wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:39:28 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
> wrote:
>
>
>>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I'm of your opinion - why travel, if you want everything to be the same as
>>>at home? (Cheaper to stay there, in the first place.)
>>If you go to places where things are genuinely different from home, it
>>can be cheaper to travel than not.
>
>
> Particularly true of Greece 20 odd years ago, we actually made net
> savings by taking holidays in Greece rather than staying at home.
> It was the reason that German unemployed teenagers moved to Greece and
> lived on German unemployment benefits. I think Germany stopped this.
> We don't want the unemployed enjoying their lives do we?
Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
afford retirement.)
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:39:28 -0600, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
> wrote:
>
>
>>EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I'm of your opinion - why travel, if you want everything to be the same as
>>>at home? (Cheaper to stay there, in the first place.)
>>If you go to places where things are genuinely different from home, it
>>can be cheaper to travel than not.
>
>
> Particularly true of Greece 20 odd years ago, we actually made net
> savings by taking holidays in Greece rather than staying at home.
> It was the reason that German unemployed teenagers moved to Greece and
> lived on German unemployment benefits. I think Germany stopped this.
> We don't want the unemployed enjoying their lives do we?
Perhaps not, but it might be nice if the retired industrious
could! (I suppose there are places where I COULD live on my
"retirement" income, but not well - and if Dubya has his
way, few Americans much younger than I will EVER be able to
afford retirement.)
Jan 6th 2005, 3:18 pm
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nitram wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:41:42 +0100, Ralph Holz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>>If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
>>>differently in Vienna?
>>Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
>>coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
>>one-taste-Starbucks?
>>>The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
>>>clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
>>It's not good, that...
>>>Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
>>>Austrian by birth!
>>*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
>>and become president himself.
>
>
> I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
> could Arnie.
Well, it WOULD require a constitutional amendment! The
president must be U.S. born, even though the rest of the
government may be naturalized citizens.
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:41:42 +0100, Ralph Holz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>>If there was no war in Iraq, maybe things would be going slightly
>>>differently in Vienna?
>>Nah. Very slightly, at best. Come on, if you stemmed from a
>>coffee-worshipping place like Vienna, would you even consider the
>>one-taste-Starbucks?
>>>The reality is that national and international chains just have too much
>>>clout and buying power as well as political influence. Local stores
>>It's not good, that...
>>>Of course I say that never having been to Austria. But my governor is
>>>Austrian by birth!
>>*lol* Better take care he doesn't manage to change the US constitution
>>and become president himself.
>
>
> I remember people saying that about Reagan. If Ronald could do it so
> could Arnie.
Well, it WOULD require a constitutional amendment! The
president must be U.S. born, even though the rest of the
government may be naturalized citizens.
