Hatunen

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:18:20 +0100, Ron Clarey <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>In most European countries the local currency is NOT the euro.
    >
    >It depends on your definition of Europe. If you mean the European Union then the
    >Euro is by far the biggest currency, if not your original statement is correct.

The definition of Europe has been larger than the current EU at least a millenium and
I see no reason to narrow it now.

I have no idea what Robinson meant.

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:10:52 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Well, IIRC in Ecuador the official currency *is* the $USD, so maybe my troll is not
    >such a "troll" after all!

A few days ago there was a news item about the breaking up of a counterfeiting ring
in Colombia. it was making US dollar coins for disbursement in Ecuador.

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Rms

"Jon Beasley-Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0207151857040.221...acpub.duke.edu...
    > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, The Oik wrote:
    >
    > > "Jon Beasley-Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0207150939100.270...acpub.duke.edu...
    > > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Mike Cordelli wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > It's a legitimate question, there are many places that there are two
    > > ATM's
    > > > > side by side, one using local currency and one giving out US
Dollars.
    > > >
    > > > I've never seen this, but I've certainly seen (e.g. in Peru) the same
ATM
    > > > dispense both dollars and local currency.
    > > >
    > > well, it just hit 1 to 1 for USD / EUR, so I guess it makes no
difference
    > > now
    >
    > Indeed, because as is well known, the local currency in Peru is the euro.
    >
    > Take care
    >
    > Jon
    >
    > Jon Beasley-Murray Literature Program Duke University
    >
    > (New Address Spanish and Portuguese Studies University of Manchester
    >

Last time I was in Peru (Last year) the local currency was Sol, but the locals prefer
US dollars.

Robin.

Hatunen

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:59:32 -0400, Jon Beasley-Murray <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Gregory Morrow wrote:

    >> Well, IIRC in Ecuador the official currency *is* the $USD, so maybe my troll is
    >> not such a "troll" after all!
    >
    >Panama, too. It would not be surprising if Argentina were also to dollarize--it's
    >certainly an option.

Strictly speaking, Panama's currency is the balboa, officially set at parity to
the dollar.

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Dale Stevens

Mike-

What are you doing here? I thought you lived in r.t.c.

Dale

Mike Cordelli

I've been in RTA as long as RTC, but this is crossposted to r.t.e, so that's how I
wandered in there.

"dale stevens" <"Too much spam "@ this address.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mike-
    >
    > What are you doing here? I thought you lived in r.t.c.
    >
    > Dale

Miguel Cruz

Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Desmond Coughlan wrote:
    >> Not all of them. If I use my French bank card in a foreign 'ATM' (sic), then it
    >> will ask me to choose a language. If I use my French bank card here in France, it
    >> won't. None of the 'ATMs' (sic) of my bank (the Société Générale) have 'English'
    >> buttons. Or if they do, I've never noticed ...
    >
    > Perhaps the machines are smart enough to recognize a "native" bank card, and skip
    > that question? I didn't pay any attention to the names of the banks where I used my
    > ATM card in Paris, but they all presented me with a language option.

That's exactly what happens almost everywhere. Use a foreign card, get language
choices. Use a domestic card, you see the local language.

miguel
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Dale Stevens

Well, then,........how did I get here? Actually..........Where am I? I've never been
to RTA in my life.

Dale

Mike Cordelli wrote:

    > I've been in RTA as long as RTC, but this is crossposted to r.t.e, so that's how I
    > wandered in there.
    >
    > "dale stevens" <"Too much spam "@ this address.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Mike-
    > >
    > > What are you doing here? I thought you lived in r.t.c.
    > >
    > > Dale

Evelyn Vogt Gam

The Oik wrote:
    >
    > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >
    > >How soon before the Euro, like the British pound, is worth MORE than the dollar,
    > >do you think?
    > you mean 'again', right? Give it until the next US multi-national gets caught being
    > naughty with the books

Yeah, apparently I mean "again" - I didn't pay much attention to the value of the
Euro until it became actual currency. (I had enough trouble keeping track of the
currency in use in the countries I visited.)

Go Fig

    > > The Oik wrote:
    > >
    > > >"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >How soon before the Euro, like the British pound, is worth MORE than the dollar,
    > > >do you think?
    > > you mean 'again', right? Give it until the next US multi-national gets caught
    > > being naughty with the book

Amazing... for the first time in almost 200 years the U.S. homeland is attacked and
one of the targets was her financial markets... add in some tabloid headlines of
anthrax and top it off with fraud at the highest of corporate levels and your popping
the cork at breaking the single digits over 11 months... good grief! Its like taking
credit for your increased business when your competitors store burns down.

While the volatility in the worlds markets is unsettling... none comes close to the
power and stability of the U.S. markets. On Monday morning, just one of the U.S.
market indexes lost the equivalent of the combined annual GDP of BOTH Sweden and the
Netherlands but by the afternoon a market was found and most of the TRILLION U.S.
dollars was made back.

The U.S. dollars is the worlds consumer instrument, on any given day there is more
than $250 Billion U.S. dollars in circulation OUTSIDE the U.S. and when you look
under the mattresses worldwide you will not find Euro's.

jay Tue, Jul 16, 2002 mailto:[email protected]

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Jon Beasley-Mur

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Hatunen wrote:

    > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:59:32 -0400, Jon Beasley-Murray <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Gregory Morrow wrote:
    >
    > >> Well, IIRC in Ecuador the official currency *is* the $USD, so maybe my troll is
    > >> not such a "troll" after all!
    > >
    > >Panama, too. It would not be surprising if Argentina were also to dollarize--it's
    > >certainly an option.
    >
    > Strictly speaking, Panama's currency is the balboa, officially set at parity to
    > the dollar.

Have you ever seen a balboa note?

The integration of the two currencies is more than simple parity (which was the
Argentine situation until last year). Panama is fully dollarized, but uses its
own coinage.

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Take care

Jon

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Desmond Coughla

Le Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:31:23 GMT, Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)
<[email protected]> a écrit :

    >> Not all of them. If I use my French bank card in a foreign 'ATM' (sic), then it
    >> will ask me to choose a language. If I use my French bank card here in France, it
    >> won't. None of the 'ATMs' (sic) of my bank (the Société Générale) have 'English'
    >> buttons. Or if they do, I've never noticed ...

    > Perhaps the machines are smart enough to recognize a "native" bank card, and skip
    > that question? I didn't pay any attention to the names of the banks where I used my
    > ATM card in Paris, but they all presented me with a language option.

When I stated that none of the cash dispensers I had seen here, had 'English
buttons', I was referring to 'hardware buttons', as I had assumed that this was what
you meant. Certainly, several of them have displayed, 'Choose language ... etc ..' on
the screen, but I consider this software-driven. I have never seen a cash dispenser
which has a button 'English' on the keypad.

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Devil

Go Fig wrote:
>
> The U.S. dollars is the worlds consumer instrument, on any given day there is more
> than $250 Billion U.S. dollars in circulation OUTSIDE the U.S. and when you look
> under the mattresses worldwide you will not find Euro's.

However this is a de facto situation. If the USD loses credibility and the Euro
gains, this could easily change, and the consequences might be fairly dramatic for
the US economy. And there is little the US government could do about it. Sending
troops to antarctica wouldn't help.

Daling

Moscow "JMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I have just returned from Ukraine where there were ATMs that dispensed in local
    > currency as well as US$. You chose what you wanted to receive. To be honest, I've
    > not seen this anywhere else.
    >
    > "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:05:54 GMT, "Mike Cordelli" <[email protected]>wrote:
    > >
    > > >It's a legitimate question, there are many places that there are two
    > ATM's
    > > >side by side, one using local currency and one giving out US Dollars.
    > Says
    > > >a lot for their economy.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > Are you saying there are places in Europe that dispense US $$$ ? Well, come to
    > > think of it, I think someone else in this thread said that ATM's in Russia do
    > > that, so I guess you never know. I know I have been to Western Europe 7 times and
    > > have never seen American currency dispensed or accepted anywhere.
    > > >
    > > >"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >news:[email protected]...
    > > >>
    > > >> I thought it was funny that no one slammed the guy for asking such a
    > > >> ridiculous question. "Do the dispense real USA greenbacks?" Gotta love it.
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    >

Sjoerd

there are lots of euros under mattresses in former YU, other eastern european
countries, parts of africa and former Soviet Union.

Sjoerd

"Go Fig" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > > The Oik wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >How soon before the Euro, like the British pound, is worth MORE than the
    > > > >dollar, do you think?
    > > > you mean 'again', right? Give it until the next US multi-national gets caught
    > > > being naughty with the book
    >
    > Amazing... for the first time in almost 200 years the U.S. homeland is attacked
    > and one of the targets was her financial markets... add in some tabloid
    > headlines of anthrax and top it off with fraud at the highest of corporate
    > levels and your popping the cork at breaking the single digits over 11 months...
    > good grief! Its like taking credit for your increased business when your
    > competitors store burns down.
    >
    > While the volatility in the worlds markets is unsettling... none comes close to the
    > power and stability of the U.S. markets. On Monday morning, just one of the U.S.
    > market indexes lost the equivalent of the combined annual GDP of BOTH Sweden and
    > the Netherlands but by the afternoon a market was found and most of the TRILLION
    > U.S. dollars was made back.
    >
    > The U.S. dollars is the worlds consumer instrument, on any given day there is more
    > than $250 Billion U.S. dollars in circulation OUTSIDE the U.S. and when you look
    > under the mattresses worldwide you will not find Euro's.
    >
    > jay Tue, Jul 16, 2002 mailto:[email protected]
    >
    > --
    >
    > Legend insists that as he finished his abject... Galileo muttered under his breath:
    > "Nevertheless, it does move."