American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
Oct 22nd 2004 | 9:59 pm
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American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
If the company survives! With food and other services
reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
Carrier???
Earl
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American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe, the
Caribbean, Mexico and Latin America
Tuesday October 19, 11:47 am ET
FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines
announced today it will add a fee for paper tickets purchased through travel
agents in certain European countries, the Caribbean, Mexico and Latin
America for itineraries that are eligible for electronic tickets.
The paper ticket fee is intended to encourage the use of electronic
ticketing whenever possible. There will be no fee for issuing a paper
ticket if an itinerary is not e-ticket eligible. Today, more than 90
percent of American Airlines customers travel on electronic tickets.
This move will allow American to remain cost competitive with other airlines
that have recently introduced similar fees and is consistent with American's
policy of charging for paper tickets issued by U.S.-based travel agents when
the itinerary qualifies for e-ticketing.
Effective immediately, the fee for a paper ticket issued on an electronic
ticket-eligible itinerary through travel agents in Italy, Spain, Belgium and
France is 25 EUR, while the fee in the United Kingdom is 25 GBP. Fees for
paper tickets issued through travel agents in the Caribbean (including
Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands), Mexico and Latin America will be
effective Nov. 8, 2004. The fee will be 25 USD, converted to the local
currency.
Approximately 91 percent of American's passengers travel on electronic
tickets. That percentage has grown steadily since American first began
e-ticketing in 1996. Today e-ticketing is offered throughout American's
worldwide route network, including all of the 40-plus countries served by
the airline. In addition, American offers interline e-ticketing with 21
other airlines -- more than any other carrier -- including all members of
the oneworld Alliance, of which American is a founding member.
Customers benefit from e-ticketing since e-tickets cannot be lost or stolen,
and changes and refunds can be made faster and easier. In addition,
e-tickets enable passengers to avoid lines and move through the airport more
quickly. Airlines and travel agents benefit from reduced administrative
costs and increased efficiency.
Today's announcement applies only to paper tickets on e-ticket eligible
itineraries issued through travel agents in certain European countries, the
Caribbean, Mexico and Latin America. Travel agents in the United States and
Canada can continue to issue paper tickets on e-ticket eligible itineraries
for the current 50 USD.
About American Airlines
American Airlines is the world's largest carrier. American, American Eagle
and the AmericanConnection® regional carriers serve more than 250 cities in
over 40 countries with more than 3,800 daily flights. The combined network
fleet numbers more than 1,000 aircraft. American's award- winning Web site,
AA.com, provides users with easy access to check and book fares, plus
personalized news, information and travel offers. American Airlines is a
founding member of the oneworld Alliance, which brings together some of the
best and biggest names in the airline business, enabling them to offer their
customers more services and benefits than any airline can provide on its
own. Together, its members serve more than 575 destinations in 135
countries and territories. American Airlines and American Eagle are units
of AMR Corporation (NYSE: AMR -News ).
reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
Carrier???
Earl
*****
American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe, the
Caribbean, Mexico and Latin America
Tuesday October 19, 11:47 am ET
FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines
announced today it will add a fee for paper tickets purchased through travel
agents in certain European countries, the Caribbean, Mexico and Latin
America for itineraries that are eligible for electronic tickets.
The paper ticket fee is intended to encourage the use of electronic
ticketing whenever possible. There will be no fee for issuing a paper
ticket if an itinerary is not e-ticket eligible. Today, more than 90
percent of American Airlines customers travel on electronic tickets.
This move will allow American to remain cost competitive with other airlines
that have recently introduced similar fees and is consistent with American's
policy of charging for paper tickets issued by U.S.-based travel agents when
the itinerary qualifies for e-ticketing.
Effective immediately, the fee for a paper ticket issued on an electronic
ticket-eligible itinerary through travel agents in Italy, Spain, Belgium and
France is 25 EUR, while the fee in the United Kingdom is 25 GBP. Fees for
paper tickets issued through travel agents in the Caribbean (including
Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands), Mexico and Latin America will be
effective Nov. 8, 2004. The fee will be 25 USD, converted to the local
currency.
Approximately 91 percent of American's passengers travel on electronic
tickets. That percentage has grown steadily since American first began
e-ticketing in 1996. Today e-ticketing is offered throughout American's
worldwide route network, including all of the 40-plus countries served by
the airline. In addition, American offers interline e-ticketing with 21
other airlines -- more than any other carrier -- including all members of
the oneworld Alliance, of which American is a founding member.
Customers benefit from e-ticketing since e-tickets cannot be lost or stolen,
and changes and refunds can be made faster and easier. In addition,
e-tickets enable passengers to avoid lines and move through the airport more
quickly. Airlines and travel agents benefit from reduced administrative
costs and increased efficiency.
Today's announcement applies only to paper tickets on e-ticket eligible
itineraries issued through travel agents in certain European countries, the
Caribbean, Mexico and Latin America. Travel agents in the United States and
Canada can continue to issue paper tickets on e-ticket eligible itineraries
for the current 50 USD.
About American Airlines
American Airlines is the world's largest carrier. American, American Eagle
and the AmericanConnection® regional carriers serve more than 250 cities in
over 40 countries with more than 3,800 daily flights. The combined network
fleet numbers more than 1,000 aircraft. American's award- winning Web site,
AA.com, provides users with easy access to check and book fares, plus
personalized news, information and travel offers. American Airlines is a
founding member of the oneworld Alliance, which brings together some of the
best and biggest names in the airline business, enabling them to offer their
customers more services and benefits than any airline can provide on its
own. Together, its members serve more than 575 destinations in 135
countries and territories. American Airlines and American Eagle are units
of AMR Corporation (NYSE: AMR -News ).
Oct 23rd 2004 | 12:14 am
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BD9FF82B.20D47%[email protected]...
> If the company survives! With food and other services
> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
> Carrier???
> Earl
Well, I had the misfortune of flying Alitalia this summer and I can tell you
it was no great shakes.
--
Donald Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net
news:BD9FF82B.20D47%[email protected]...
> If the company survives! With food and other services
> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
> Carrier???
> Earl
Well, I had the misfortune of flying Alitalia this summer and I can tell you
it was no great shakes.
--
Donald Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net
Oct 23rd 2004 | 9:50 am
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Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>If the company survives! With food and other services
>reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
>Carrier???
As opposed to what other carrier? The admirably efficient and
well-organized Alitalia? Air Canada, "affectionately" nicknamed
Mapleflot? British Airways or Air France, where customers are
regarded as a nuisance? Granted Singapore Airlines have a reputation
for good service, but the major international carriers are much of a
muchness.
And most of them are in no great shape financially, either.
--
Cases heard in U.S. civil and criminal courts as posted on the
American Bar Association's online magazine:
* Schmuck v. Dumm
* Gerald Mayo v. Satan and His Staff
* State v. Big Hair
* United States of America v. 2,116 Boxes of Boned
Beef, Weighing Approx. 154,121 Pounds, and 541 Boxes
of Offal, Weighing Approximately 17,732 pounds
>If the company survives! With food and other services
>reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
>Carrier???
As opposed to what other carrier? The admirably efficient and
well-organized Alitalia? Air Canada, "affectionately" nicknamed
Mapleflot? British Airways or Air France, where customers are
regarded as a nuisance? Granted Singapore Airlines have a reputation
for good service, but the major international carriers are much of a
muchness.
And most of them are in no great shape financially, either.
--
Cases heard in U.S. civil and criminal courts as posted on the
American Bar Association's online magazine:
* Schmuck v. Dumm
* Gerald Mayo v. Satan and His Staff
* State v. Big Hair
* United States of America v. 2,116 Boxes of Boned
Beef, Weighing Approx. 154,121 Pounds, and 541 Boxes
of Offal, Weighing Approximately 17,732 pounds
Oct 23rd 2004 | 4:49 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
We've only ever used United, American and Lufthansa to/from Europe.
American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
(bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
--
wf.
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> If the company survives! With food and other services
> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
> Carrier???
>
> Earl
>
> *****
American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
(bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
--
wf.
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> If the company survives! With food and other services
> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
> Carrier???
>
> Earl
>
> *****
Oct 23rd 2004 | 7:40 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in
in article [email protected], Donald Newcomb at
[email protected] wrote on 23/10/04 14:14:
>
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BD9FF82B.20D47%[email protected]...
>> If the company survives! With food and other services
>> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
>> Carrier???
>>
>> Earl
>
> Well, I had the misfortune of flying Alitalia this summer and I can tell you
> it was no great shakes.
Things are generally down hill everywhere and Alitalia is not doing well.
This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
We have avoided Olympic for years.
We flew to the US last January, on AA, which worked OK. They and several
others have a day flight to London from either Boston or NYC. We hate
overnight flights and dodge them when possible. The food on the
transatlantic flights is better on AA than nationally, which practically
does not exist. We take a bag of peanuts and French pates with us to eat on
US flights.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 23/10/04 14:14:
>
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BD9FF82B.20D47%[email protected]...
>> If the company survives! With food and other services
>> reaching progressively no lows, why take and American
>> Carrier???
>>
>> Earl
>
> Well, I had the misfortune of flying Alitalia this summer and I can tell you
> it was no great shakes.
Things are generally down hill everywhere and Alitalia is not doing well.
This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
We have avoided Olympic for years.
We flew to the US last January, on AA, which worked OK. They and several
others have a day flight to London from either Boston or NYC. We hate
overnight flights and dodge them when possible. The food on the
transatlantic flights is better on AA than nationally, which practically
does not exist. We take a bag of peanuts and French pates with us to eat on
US flights.
Earl
Oct 23rd 2004 | 7:42 pm
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in article [email protected], Charles Hawtrey at
[email protected] wrote on 23/10/04 23:50:
> And most of them are in no great shape financially, either.
Curiously Air France seems to be doing OK, at least not running losses.
Bad drives out Good and so the advent of the cheapie airlines will
push the evolution towards a completely cattle car approach.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 23/10/04 23:50:
> And most of them are in no great shape financially, either.
Curiously Air France seems to be doing OK, at least not running losses.
Bad drives out Good and so the advent of the cheapie airlines will
push the evolution towards a completely cattle car approach.
Earl
Oct 23rd 2004 | 8:03 pm
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in article [email protected], randee at [email protected] wrote
on 24/10/04 6:49:
> We've only ever used United, American and Lufthansa to/from Europe.
> American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
> pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
> same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
> coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
> (bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
> Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
> for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
> charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
> Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
> higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
> --
We will go on a trip next Spring, Paris => Miami, Fort Lauderdale =>
British Virgins; British Virgins => Boston, Boston => London and
London => Paris. Except for the last leg, AA handles this best.
We don't have carrier loyalty although historically Air France has
given us the least grief. We use them by preference. We just
returned to Paris from Athenes where we spend each September.
our Big fat Greek vacation is at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum13.html
and Gaston's vacation in the Var in August is at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum12.html
We also don`t play the "flyer mileage" game, everybody else does. Actually
if the boats were still running we take boats back and forth between Europe
and the USA. We did in the 60s and early 70s, on the SS. France, and that is
the only way to travel. Air travel is painful and has become uncivilized.
Anyway, after 30 years in France we don't hanker to make trips to the US,
Europe has it all. The Caribbean and sail boats are different.
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum7.html
Boats are the only way to travel.
Earl
on 24/10/04 6:49:
> We've only ever used United, American and Lufthansa to/from Europe.
> American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
> pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
> same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
> coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
> (bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
> Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
> for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
> charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
> Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
> higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
> --
We will go on a trip next Spring, Paris => Miami, Fort Lauderdale =>
British Virgins; British Virgins => Boston, Boston => London and
London => Paris. Except for the last leg, AA handles this best.
We don't have carrier loyalty although historically Air France has
given us the least grief. We use them by preference. We just
returned to Paris from Athenes where we spend each September.
our Big fat Greek vacation is at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum13.html
and Gaston's vacation in the Var in August is at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum12.html
We also don`t play the "flyer mileage" game, everybody else does. Actually
if the boats were still running we take boats back and forth between Europe
and the USA. We did in the 60s and early 70s, on the SS. France, and that is
the only way to travel. Air travel is painful and has become uncivilized.
Anyway, after 30 years in France we don't hanker to make trips to the US,
Europe has it all. The Caribbean and sail boats are different.
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum7.html
Boats are the only way to travel.
Earl
Oct 25th 2004 | 1:03 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
In article <[email protected]>, randee <[email protected]>
wrote:
> We've only ever used United, American and Lufthansa to/from Europe.
> American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
> pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
> same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
> coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
> (bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
> Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
> for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
> charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
> Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
> higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
> --
I flew SAS because I was going to Scandinavia last trip and love it
madly! formerly I've been flying Lufthansa because I was usually going
to Germany. I was much more comfortable on SAS but didn't have a tape
measure along 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
wrote:
> We've only ever used United, American and Lufthansa to/from Europe.
> American has two important advantages for us, slightly longer seat
> pitch, and much better flight times. The AA seat pitch is about the
> same as United's Coach Plus, but the only free upgrade from standard
> coach to coach plus on United is if you are willing to take exit row
> (bulkhead) seats (probably not available in the busy season).
> Unfortunately I think I read that AA is going to start charging US$250
> for using miles to upgrade to business from economy coach tickets, no
> charge for upgrading from full fare coach tickets. But then again,
> Delta won't let you upgrade from economy coach, it has to be one of the
> higher coach fares. Delta has tight coach seating, as does Lufthansa.
> --
I flew SAS because I was going to Scandinavia last trip and love it
madly! formerly I've been flying Lufthansa because I was usually going
to Germany. I was much more comfortable on SAS but didn't have a tape
measure along 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Oct 25th 2004 | 2:28 pm
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Hmmm, isn't SAS a brand of shoes......... one can interpret this post a
couple of ways.
SAS and Lufthansa have essentially the same seat spacing. Less than
United Plus or AA, which is why we use those. On overseas flights in
coach, every inch of seat pitch counts.......
--
wf.
erilar wrote:
>
>
>
> I flew SAS because I was going to Scandinavia last trip and love it
> madly! formerly I've been flying Lufthansa because I was usually going
> to Germany. I was much more comfortable on SAS but didn't have a tape
> measure along 8-)
>
couple of ways.
SAS and Lufthansa have essentially the same seat spacing. Less than
United Plus or AA, which is why we use those. On overseas flights in
coach, every inch of seat pitch counts.......
--
wf.
erilar wrote:
>
>
>
> I flew SAS because I was going to Scandinavia last trip and love it
> madly! formerly I've been flying Lufthansa because I was usually going
> to Germany. I was much more comfortable on SAS but didn't have a tape
> measure along 8-)
>
Oct 25th 2004 | 5:07 pm
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Sept 01 we were to fly Athens to Samos via Olympic...got us all on the
plane, then made us get off...they hadn't signed up a flight crew! An
hour later we reboarded and took off...
I didn't even want to GO to Samos, but my born-again sis just HAD to
get to Patmos to see this cave where Revelations was written. Well,
folks, it's get yourself to Samos, then hydrofoil to Patmos and back,
and trust me, it is just a cave. And it was hot as Hades in
there...and it was 9/11 no less ... I would have stayed on the beach
at Naxos...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:40:51 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
>We have avoided Olympic for years.
plane, then made us get off...they hadn't signed up a flight crew! An
hour later we reboarded and took off...
I didn't even want to GO to Samos, but my born-again sis just HAD to
get to Patmos to see this cave where Revelations was written. Well,
folks, it's get yourself to Samos, then hydrofoil to Patmos and back,
and trust me, it is just a cave. And it was hot as Hades in
there...and it was 9/11 no less ... I would have stayed on the beach
at Naxos...
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:40:51 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
wrote:
>This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
>We have avoided Olympic for years.
Oct 25th 2004 | 9:44 pm
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in article [email protected], Carole Allen at
[email protected] wrote on 26/10/04 7:07:
> Sept 01 we were to fly Athens to Samos via Olympic...got us all on the
> plane, then made us get off...they hadn't signed up a flight crew! An
> hour later we reboarded and took off...
>
> I didn't even want to GO to Samos, but my born-again sis just HAD to
> get to Patmos to see this cave where Revelations was written. Well,
> folks, it's get yourself to Samos, then hydrofoil to Patmos and back,
> and trust me, it is just a cave. And it was hot as Hades in
> there...and it was 9/11 no less ... I would have stayed on the beach
> at Naxos...
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:40:51 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
>> We have avoided Olympic for years.
>>
>
we have lived in Paris 30 years and gone to Greece more of those summers
than not.
I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
So I complained to Olympic and wanted them to put us up the night at a
hotel. No way. Athenes was our city of termination, whenever they got
us there was OK. We were at the old airport and the tourist counter
got us a hotel within walking distance. The place was on the highway
along the ocean and noisy as hell, summer and no air conditioning
so we had to leave our windows open. That night was without any real
sleep.
Never again!
In country flights on Olympic is the only way since only Olympic operates,
so one is left in their incompetent hands. We have been around to a number
of the islands but are getting old and just stay in Aegina now. We know
people there, the guy who runs the Brown hotel (George Brown, he is Greek
but his grandfather was English) and stay there. I happened to post photos
for this summer at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum13.html
The island is the pasticho capital of the world!
I am not a big fan of Greek food but Petros has a great mezes. He is
down around the corner from the hotel in front of the school. September
is a nice month, never hot nor cold. George has air conditioning but
we did not turn in on this year (stayed most of the month of September).
George was trained as an engineer in the UK and still a science buff.
I taught him something new this year, that neutrons out in the open
only live around 10 minutes before decomposing into a proton and electron
and neutrino. We mostly talking about Newton and Einstein this summer.
We stay in e-mail communication during the year.
We spent a couple of weeks in the Var in August. I prefer France to
Greece and leave it to go elsewhere reluctantly. France has everything
worth having except warm winter weather.
Earl
[email protected] wrote on 26/10/04 7:07:
> Sept 01 we were to fly Athens to Samos via Olympic...got us all on the
> plane, then made us get off...they hadn't signed up a flight crew! An
> hour later we reboarded and took off...
>
> I didn't even want to GO to Samos, but my born-again sis just HAD to
> get to Patmos to see this cave where Revelations was written. Well,
> folks, it's get yourself to Samos, then hydrofoil to Patmos and back,
> and trust me, it is just a cave. And it was hot as Hades in
> there...and it was 9/11 no less ... I would have stayed on the beach
> at Naxos...
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:40:51 +0200, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> This summer we only took a Paris-Athenes flight on Air France, no problems.
>> We have avoided Olympic for years.
>>
>
we have lived in Paris 30 years and gone to Greece more of those summers
than not.
I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
So I complained to Olympic and wanted them to put us up the night at a
hotel. No way. Athenes was our city of termination, whenever they got
us there was OK. We were at the old airport and the tourist counter
got us a hotel within walking distance. The place was on the highway
along the ocean and noisy as hell, summer and no air conditioning
so we had to leave our windows open. That night was without any real
sleep.
Never again!
In country flights on Olympic is the only way since only Olympic operates,
so one is left in their incompetent hands. We have been around to a number
of the islands but are getting old and just stay in Aegina now. We know
people there, the guy who runs the Brown hotel (George Brown, he is Greek
but his grandfather was English) and stay there. I happened to post photos
for this summer at
http://homepage.mac.com/evleth/PhotoAlbum13.html
The island is the pasticho capital of the world!
I am not a big fan of Greek food but Petros has a great mezes. He is
down around the corner from the hotel in front of the school. September
is a nice month, never hot nor cold. George has air conditioning but
we did not turn in on this year (stayed most of the month of September).
George was trained as an engineer in the UK and still a science buff.
I taught him something new this year, that neutrons out in the open
only live around 10 minutes before decomposing into a proton and electron
and neutrino. We mostly talking about Newton and Einstein this summer.
We stay in e-mail communication during the year.
We spent a couple of weeks in the Var in August. I prefer France to
Greece and leave it to go elsewhere reluctantly. France has everything
worth having except warm winter weather.
Earl
Oct 25th 2004 | 10:23 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:44:28 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Earl Evleth <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In country flights on Olympic is the only way since only Olympic operates,
... so one is left in their incompetent hands.
What happened to Air Aegean ? I used to fly with them to my favourite island. I have not
been there these past three years, though.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In country flights on Olympic is the only way since only Olympic operates,
... so one is left in their incompetent hands.
What happened to Air Aegean ? I used to fly with them to my favourite island. I have not
been there these past three years, though.
Oct 25th 2004 | 11:46 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
> it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
> a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
The last time we went to Greece a couple of years ago, we flew into
Athens, then immediately took a cronus (are they still around?) flight
to Heraklion, ferry to Santorini, and a flight (on aegean) from there
back to Athens. We didn't have any problems, though I'd expected some,
and planned a night in Athens on the return just in case. I'm not one of
these people that hates Athens, so I never mind a short visit there, but
next visit, I think we're going to look into flying on a charter flight
direct from Manchester to an island- Crete, Mykonos and Lesbos are
current options we're thinking off. Just seems a lot less trouble than
going via Athens.
David
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[]
> I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
> it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
> a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
The last time we went to Greece a couple of years ago, we flew into
Athens, then immediately took a cronus (are they still around?) flight
to Heraklion, ferry to Santorini, and a flight (on aegean) from there
back to Athens. We didn't have any problems, though I'd expected some,
and planned a night in Athens on the return just in case. I'm not one of
these people that hates Athens, so I never mind a short visit there, but
next visit, I think we're going to look into flying on a charter flight
direct from Manchester to an island- Crete, Mykonos and Lesbos are
current options we're thinking off. Just seems a lot less trouble than
going via Athens.
David
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Oct 25th 2004 | 11:46 pm
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in Europe
Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> What happened to Air Aegean ? I used to fly with them to my favourite
> island. I have not been there these past three years, though.
I think they might have been swallowed by Olympic.
David
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> What happened to Air Aegean ? I used to fly with them to my favourite
> island. I have not been there these past three years, though.
I think they might have been swallowed by Olympic.
David
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Oct 26th 2004 | 12:19 am
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Re: American Airlines Adds Fee to Encourage E-Ticket Usage in
in article 1gm9kj1.ahd6xwpky958N%this_address_is_for_spam@yah oo.com,
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn at
[email protected] wrote on 26/10/04 13:46:
> Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>> I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
>> it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
>> a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
>
> The last time we went to Greece a couple of years ago, we flew into
> Athens, then immediately took a cronus (are they still around?) flight
> to Heraklion, ferry to Santorini, and a flight (on aegean) from there
> back to Athens. We didn't have any problems, though I'd expected some,
> and planned a night in Athens on the return just in case. I'm not one of
> these people that hates Athens, so I never mind a short visit there, but
> next visit, I think we're going to look into flying on a charter flight
> direct from Manchester to an island- Crete, Mykonos and Lesbos are
> current options we're thinking off. Just seems a lot less trouble than
> going via Athens.
Yes we flew charter from Paris to Heraklion once but the return trip
was terrible. The plane left at 5 AM which meant getting there around
3 AM. We did not really sleep that night. We got too old for such
fun and games. We only fly scheduled flights now with "normal"
carriers.
Twice we chartered into Rhodes but from Germany. One trip nearly badly
ended since we also had taken a charter sailboat along the Turkish coast
from and back to Rhodes. The Greek authorities at the Rhodes airport
said this was illegal, any person`s chartering into Greece had to remain
in Greece! They almost kept us from boarding the plane back. My wife
and daughter sweet talked the Greek official out of enforcing the law.
I was too furious to communicate, fortunately, because I would not have
been able to sweet talk very well. That was years ago, mid-80s.
As usual, all one`s experiences traveling are not pleasant and while
some leave a bitter taste it is best to leave them in the past and
enjoy the now.
Earl
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn at
[email protected] wrote on 26/10/04 13:46:
> Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>> I think our last flight on Olympic was so late taking off from Paris
>> it landed in Athenes 6 hours late. We normally arrive in Athenes, take
>> a taxi to the port and ferry over to Aegina. But it was too late.
>
> The last time we went to Greece a couple of years ago, we flew into
> Athens, then immediately took a cronus (are they still around?) flight
> to Heraklion, ferry to Santorini, and a flight (on aegean) from there
> back to Athens. We didn't have any problems, though I'd expected some,
> and planned a night in Athens on the return just in case. I'm not one of
> these people that hates Athens, so I never mind a short visit there, but
> next visit, I think we're going to look into flying on a charter flight
> direct from Manchester to an island- Crete, Mykonos and Lesbos are
> current options we're thinking off. Just seems a lot less trouble than
> going via Athens.
Yes we flew charter from Paris to Heraklion once but the return trip
was terrible. The plane left at 5 AM which meant getting there around
3 AM. We did not really sleep that night. We got too old for such
fun and games. We only fly scheduled flights now with "normal"
carriers.
Twice we chartered into Rhodes but from Germany. One trip nearly badly
ended since we also had taken a charter sailboat along the Turkish coast
from and back to Rhodes. The Greek authorities at the Rhodes airport
said this was illegal, any person`s chartering into Greece had to remain
in Greece! They almost kept us from boarding the plane back. My wife
and daughter sweet talked the Greek official out of enforcing the law.
I was too furious to communicate, fortunately, because I would not have
been able to sweet talk very well. That was years ago, mid-80s.
As usual, all one`s experiences traveling are not pleasant and while
some leave a bitter taste it is best to leave them in the past and
enjoy the now.
Earl
