On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 23:58:53 GMT, "Alex Starke" wrote:

    >"ArKLyte" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:14:42 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
    > wrote:
    >> >I think the rest of the world is right to wonder "If his
    >> >method works in changing the Iraqi regime, who's next?"
    >> Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria/Lebanon regimes get changed through
    >> diplomacy or failing that with attack from our new/temporary
    >> bases in Iraq.
    >> If Russia/China negotiations fail, then North Korea gets
    >> regime-changed by Trident missiles from our submarines
    >> as soon as the 37,000 unwanted U.S. troops are evacuated
    >> from South Korea. Alternatively, NK gets blown away by a
    >> re-armed, nuclear Japanese military with our help.
    >> Simple.
    >> Go crawl back under your rock. You are proving yourself to be one of the
    >biggest meatheads I've run across here. Do they let you out of the house
    >often. Or do you just live in that smelly basement full-time?
    >Oh, by the way the latest polls are out and your lover-boy GW is slipping
    >further and further DOWN.

Gettin' scared, momma's boy?


================================================== ============
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002

"ArKLyte" wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:32:17 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
wrote:
    > >le Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:09:36 GMT, dans l'article
, ArKLyte
a dit ...
    > >
    > >{ snip }
    > >
    > >>>When did this take place? If it's the resolution others have been
    > >>>talking about, it happened long before the shrub took over from daddy.
    > >
    > >> You don't know much, do you, ma'am.
    > >>
    > >> U.N. Resolution 1441, which instructs Saddam to 'disarm
    > >> or face serious consequences' was passed in December 2002
    > >> U N A N I M O U S L Y.
    > >>
    > >> I think it's time for you to turn on your TV or read a newspaper.
    > >> You haven't a single, solitary clue about what's going on.
    > >
    > >The resolution was _never_ designed to authorise military force, without
a
    > >second resolution.
    > Fine. So a second resolution it will be.
    > See how fair we are?
    > Don't use the word "we" cretin. You are speaking (out your ass) for your
own miserable self.

Alex

"ArKLyte" wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 23:52:47 GMT, "Alex Starke"
wrote:
    > >"ArKLyte" wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:25:56 +0100, "Sjoerd"
    > >wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >That's indeed sad. If the average American voted like the average San
    > >> >Franciscan, the USA and the world would be a much better place.
    > >>
    > >> No. If we did, the U.S. would be totally bankrupted financially and
    > >morally.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> As opposed to mentally like yourself. I'll take SF any day.
    > And I'm pretty sure they'd 'take' you.
    > LOL!!
    > What's the matter cretin, did you leave SF because you had repressed
urges? Or was it a rejection issue?

Alex

"ArKLyte" wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 23:58:53 GMT, "Alex Starke"
wrote:
    > >
    > >"ArKLyte" wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:14:42 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
    > > wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I think the rest of the world is right to wonder "If his
    > >> >method works in changing the Iraqi regime, who's next?"
    > >>
    > >> Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria/Lebanon regimes get changed through
    > >> diplomacy or failing that with attack from our new/temporary
    > >> bases in Iraq.
    > >>
    > >> If Russia/China negotiations fail, then North Korea gets
    > >> regime-changed by Trident missiles from our submarines
    > >> as soon as the 37,000 unwanted U.S. troops are evacuated
    > >> from South Korea. Alternatively, NK gets blown away by a
    > >> re-armed, nuclear Japanese military with our help.
    > >>
    > >> Simple.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Go crawl back under your rock. You are proving yourself to be one of
the
    > >biggest meatheads I've run across here. Do they let you out of the house
    > >often. Or do you just live in that smelly basement full-time?
    > >Oh, by the way the latest polls are out and your lover-boy GW is slipping
    > >further and further DOWN.
    > Gettin' scared, momma's boy?
    > Ah, now I've got you on the run cretin.
Oh, please call me Pierre!

Alex

le Sat, 08 Mar 2003 00:54:14 GMT, dans l'article , Alex Starke a dit ...

{ snip }

    >> Gettin' scared, momma's boy?

    >> Ah, now I've got you on the run cretin.

    > Oh, please call me Pierre!

Oi, sod off ! 'Pierre' is his 'insult' (ROTFLMAO !!) for me. Find your
own !! ;-)

--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org

"Desmond Coughlan" wrote in message
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    > le Sat, 08 Mar 2003 00:54:14 GMT, dans l'article
, Alex Starke
a dit ...
    > { snip }
    > >> Gettin' scared, momma's boy?
    > >> Ah, now I've got you on the run cretin.
    > > Oh, please call me Pierre!
    > Oi, sod off ! 'Pierre' is his 'insult' (ROTFLMAO !!) for me. Find your
    > own !! ;-)
I was getting jealous, I think he likes you better than me. I'm sure he'll
come up with something better for me than "momma's boy"
}:~>

Alex (momma's boy) Starke

le Sat, 08 Mar 2003 01:44:07 GMT, dans l'article , Alex Starke a dit ...

{ snip }

    >> > Oh, please call me Pierre!

    >> Oi, sod off ! 'Pierre' is his 'insult' (ROTFLMAO !!) for me. Find your
    >> own !! ;-)

    > I was getting jealous, I think he likes you better than me. I'm sure he'll
    > come up with something better for me than "momma's boy"
    > }:~>

Well, OK ... well, you can have 'Pierre' for the weekend, but only on
condition that you give it back on Monday morning. My colleagues will need
to see this ... a pimply 12-year-old, logging onto news:rec.travel.europe
from his dad's computer in from Cedar Rapids, IA, who thinks that it's
somehow 'hurtful' to call a Frenchman 'Pierre'.

*guffaw*

What will he call Americans ? 'John' ? LOL !!!

--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org

In article ,
Desmond Coughlan wrote:

    > le Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:49:54 GMT, dans l'article
    > , ArKLyte a
    > dit ...
    >
    > >>That's indeed sad. If the average American voted like the average San
    > >>Franciscan, the USA and the world would be a much better place.
    >
    > > No. If we did, the U.S. would be totally bankrupted financially and
    > > morally.
    >
    > What, you mean you're not already ?


The U.S., is not selling Mirage spare parts to the butcher as late as
January 2003.

The question that WILL be answered is if this is just a rogue French
company selling the parts or the French Government itself... as so much
of French military factories are state owned.

Sanctions for France may be required....

jay
Fri, Mar 7, 2003
mailto:[email protected]

--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

In article ,
"Deep Floyd Mars" wrote:

    > Go Fig wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article ,
    > > Desmond Coughlan wrote:
    > >
    > > > le Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:49:54 GMT, dans l'article
    > > > , ArKLyte
    > a
    > > > dit ...
    > > >
    > > > >>That's indeed sad. If the average American voted like the average San
    > > > >>Franciscan, the USA and the world would be a much better place.
    > > >
    > > > > No. If we did, the U.S. would be totally bankrupted financially and
    > > > > morally.
    > > >
    > > > What, you mean you're not already ?
    > >
    > >
    > > The U.S., is not selling Mirage spare parts to the butcher as late as
    > > January 2003.
    > >
    >
    > Got a cite for that?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...8-3-2003_pg4_4


    >
    > > The question that WILL be answered is if this is just a rogue French
    > > company selling the parts or the French Government itself... as so much
    > > of French military factories are state owned.
    > >
    > > Sanctions for France may be required....
    > >
    >
    > Sure, make certain you get UN approval for them...

Actually, existing resolutions have prescribed penalties.

jay
Fri, Mar 7, 2003
mailto:[email protected]



    > ---
    > DFM
    >

--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

Go Fig wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article ,
    > Desmond Coughlan wrote:
    > > le Fri, 07 Mar 2003 20:49:54 GMT, dans l'article
    > > , ArKLyte
a
    > > dit ...
    > >
    > > >>That's indeed sad. If the average American voted like the average San
    > > >>Franciscan, the USA and the world would be a much better place.
    > >
    > > > No. If we did, the U.S. would be totally bankrupted financially and
    > > > morally.
    > >
    > > What, you mean you're not already ?
    > The U.S., is not selling Mirage spare parts to the butcher as late as
    > January 2003.

Got a cite for that?

    > The question that WILL be answered is if this is just a rogue French
    > company selling the parts or the French Government itself... as so much
    > of French military factories are state owned.
    > Sanctions for France may be required....

Sure, make certain you get UN approval for them...
---
DFM

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:15:29 -0000, "Deep Floyd Mars" wrote:

    >> The U.S., is not selling Mirage spare parts to the butcher as late as
    >> January 2003.
    >Got a cite for that?

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030307-545570.htm

Iraq strengthens air force with French parts
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The unidentified company sold the parts to a trading company in
the United Arab Emirates, which then shipped the parts through a third
country into Iraq by truck.

The spare parts included goods for Iraq's French-made Mirage F-1
jets and Gazelle attack helicopters.

An intelligence official said the illegal spare-parts pipeline
was discovered in the past two weeks and that sensitive intelligence
about the transfers indicates that the parts were smuggled to Iraq as
recently as January.

Other intelligence reports indicate that Iraq had succeeded in
acquiring French weaponry illegally for years, the official said.

The parts appear to be included in an effort by the Iraqi
military to build up materiel for its air forces before any U.S.
military action, which could occur before the end of the month.

The officials identified the purchaser of the parts as the Al
Tamoor Trading Co., based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. A spokesman
for the company could not be reached for comment.

The French military parts were then sent by truck into Iraq from
a neighboring country the officials declined to identify.

Iraq has more than 50 Mirage F-1 jets and an unknown number of
Gazelle attack helicopters, according to the London-based
International Institute for Strategic Studies.

An administration official said the French parts transfers to
Iraq may be one reason France has so vehemently opposed U.S. plans for
military action against Iraq. "No wonder the French are opposing us,"
this official said.

The official, however, said intelligence reports of the parts
sale did not indicate that the activity was sanctioned by the French
government or that Paris knows about the transfers.

The intelligence reports did not identify the French company
involved in selling the aircraft parts or whether the parts were new
or used.

The Mirage F-1 was made by France's Dassault Aviation. Gazelle
helicopters were made by Aerospatiale, which later became part of a
consortium of European defense companies.

The importation of military goods by Iraq is banned under U.N.
Security Council resolutions passed since the 1991 Persian Gulf war.

Nathalie Loiseau, press counselor at the French Embassy, said her
government has no information about the spare-parts smuggling and has
not been approached by the U.S. government about the matter.

"We fully comply with the U.N. sanctions, and there is no sale of
any kind of military material or weapons to Iraq," she said.

A CIA spokesman had no comment.

A senior administration official declined to discuss Iraq's
purchase of French warplane and helicopter parts. "It is well known
that the Iraqis use front companies to try to obtain a number of
prohibited items," the official said.

The disclosure comes amid heightened anti-French sentiment in the
United States over Paris' opposition to U.S. plans for using force to
disarm Iraq.

A senior defense official said France undermined U.S. efforts to
disarm Iraq last year by watering down language of U.N. Security
Council Resolution 1441 that last fall required Iraq to disarm all its
chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

France, along with Russia, Germany and China, said yesterday that
they would block a joint U.S.-British U.N. resolution on the use of
force against Iraq.

French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin told reporters in
Paris on Wednesday that France "will not allow a resolution to pass
that authorizes resorting to force."

"Russia and France, as permanent members of the Security Council,
will assume their full responsibilities on this point," he stated.

France has been Iraq's best friend in the West. French arms sales
to Baghdad were boosted in the 1970s under Premier Jacques Chirac, the
current president. Mr. Chirac once called Saddam Hussein a "personal
friend."

During the 1980s, when Paris backed Iraq in its war against Iran,
France sold Mirage fighter bombers and Super Entendard aircraft to
Baghdad, along with Exocet anti-ship missiles.

French-Iraqi ties soured after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait that
led to the 1991 Persian Gulf war.

France now has an estimated $4 billion in debts owed to it by
Iraq as a result of arms sales and infrastructure construction
projects. The debt is another reason U.S. officials believe France is
opposing military force to oust Saddam.

Henry Sokolski, director of the private Nonproliferation Policy
Education Center, said French transfers of military equipment to Iraq
would have "an immediate and relevant military consequence, if this
was done."

"The United States with its allies are going to suppress the
Iraqi air force and air defense very early on in any conflict, and
it's regrettable that the French have let a company complicate that
mission," Mr. Sokolski said.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell last month released
intelligence information showing videotape of an Iraqi F-1 Mirage that
had been modified to spray anthrax spores.

A CIA report to Congress made public in January stated that Iraq
has aggressively sought advanced conventional arms. "A thriving
gray-arms market and porous borders have allowed Baghdad to acquire
smaller arms and components for larger arms, such as spare parts for
aircraft, air defense systems, and armored vehicles," the CIA stated.

Iraq also has obtained some military goods through the
U.N.-sponsored oil-for-food program.

A second CIA report in October on Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction stated: "Iraq imports goods using planes, trains, trucks,
and ships without any type of international inspections — in violation
of UN Security Council resolutions."


================================================== ============
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002

ArKLyte wrote:
    >
    > On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 23:58:53 GMT, "Alex Starke" wrote:
    >

    > >> Go crawl back under your rock. You are proving yourself to be one of the
    > >biggest meatheads I've run across here. Do they let you out of the house
    > >often. Or do you just live in that smelly basement full-time?
    > >Oh, by the way the latest polls are out and your lover-boy GW is slipping
    > >further and further DOWN.
    >
    > Gettin' scared, momma's boy?

Your reading comprehension seems a bit lacking, too! "slipping further
and further DOWN" neas that GWB is losing what popularity he had.
(That's more cause for rejoicing than fear!)

    >
    > ================================================== ============
    > "Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
    > because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
    > - Ann Coulter 9/26/2002

On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 06:32:30 GMT, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:

    >Your reading comprehension seems a bit lacking, too! "slipping further
    >and further DOWN" neas that GWB is losing what popularity he had.
    >(That's more cause for rejoicing than fear!)

Why should anyone care what you think?

You didn't know that UN resolution 1441 was passed unanimously
in December and that the masterful diplomacy of Powell and Bush
made that a reality. You refused to respond when I busted you for that.

You're intellectually dishonest toast, lady.

*plonk*


================================================== ============
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002

Sjoerd wrote:
    >
    > "ArKLyte" schreef in bericht
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On 7 Mar 2003 07:59:19 -0800, [email protected] (Icono Clast) wrote:
    > >
    > > >ArKLyte wrote:
    > > >> On 6 Mar 2003 09:36:58 -0800, [email protected] (Icono Clast) wrote:
    > > >> >The ****in' Idiot is NOT "America". According to the latest poll of
    > > >> >which I'm aware, twenty-five percent (25%) of San Franciscans support
    > > >> >his foreign policy.
    > > >>
    > > >> So, San Fran is the heartbeat of America?
    > > >
    > > >No, it unfortunately isn't. Too bad, don't you agree?
    > >
    > > Uhh. no. While it is the most beautiful city in the U.S.
    > > (I lived there for 7 years) it does not in any way
    > > represent the majority of American political opinion.
    > >
    > > Sorry.
    >
    > That's indeed sad. If the average American voted like the average San
    > Franciscan, the USA and the world would be a much better place.
    >
    > Sjoerd

And if the average country behaved like your average Iraq..
The World would be a .....??

If wishes were horses - beggars would ride!

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:37:13 +0000, Marie Lewis wrote:

    >In article , Hatunen
    > writes
    >>In any case, America is a quite secular nation despite some obvious
    >>pointing with alarm. Far more so than it was, say, when I was a
    >>student in the 1940s and the Lord's Prayer was part of our morning
    >>ritual.
    >Americans, however, seem to me, to be far more involved in religious
    >organisations than Europeans.

That's probably true.


================================================== ============
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002