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Old Nov 23rd 2006, 10:34 am
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Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > Hmm ... I believe the highest one in Italy was 200000 lire, which is
    > about 100 euro, and I never handled one.

I can't remember a 200.000 note, but we had the 500.000 for a couple of
years before the Euro. Pretty rare (at least in my milieu...), though.

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Old Nov 23rd 2006, 10:40 am
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote in
news:1hp9gzv.1pcxvom1j98ebaN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:

    > I've heard of other banks charging for internet use too- I find it
    > astonishing, as the whole point of internet banking is as you suggest
    > that it requires less time in terms of customer service.

welcome to Italy. I am with an online-only (well, almost only) bank and
they charge a very reasonable fee.

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Old Nov 23rd 2006, 7:02 pm
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quiqueg <[email protected]> wrote:

    > [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
    > royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote in
    > news:1hp9gzv.1pcxvom1j98ebaN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
    >
    > > I've heard of other banks charging for internet use too- I find it
    > > astonishing, as the whole point of internet banking is as you suggest
    > > that it requires less time in terms of customer service.
    >
    > welcome to Italy. I am with an online-only (well, almost only) bank and
    > they charge a very reasonable fee.

A very reasonable fee for an online bank account is to pay nothing. They
have your money already- that's what they make money on. Any other
charges are just to rip you off. That said, UK banks are at it too, in
different ways. I pay �7 every time I receive a foreign payment into my
bank, and I'm not happy about that. Is that an average charge I wonder-
I maybe should look in to it...

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Old Nov 23rd 2006, 8:07 pm
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Lennart Petersen wrote:
    > Did you visit Italy in the days when there was a shortage of coins and they
    > used to give packets of bubble gum as small change?

Quite common in Ukraine, too. I received a few peppermints on more
than one occasion when the shop didn't have the right amount of change.
It was mostly in small rurual areas in Crimea, though; never happened
in Kiev.

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Old Nov 23rd 2006, 8:30 pm
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:02:42 +0000, [email protected] (David
Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:

    >quiqueg <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
    >> royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote in
    >> news:1hp9gzv.1pcxvom1j98ebaN%this_address_is_for_s [email protected]:
    >>
    >> > I've heard of other banks charging for internet use too- I find it
    >> > astonishing, as the whole point of internet banking is as you suggest
    >> > that it requires less time in terms of customer service.
    >>
    >> welcome to Italy. I am with an online-only (well, almost only) bank and
    >> they charge a very reasonable fee.
    >A very reasonable fee for an online bank account is to pay nothing. They
    >have your money already- that's what they make money on. Any other
    >charges are just to rip you off. That said, UK banks are at it too, in
    >different ways. I pay �7 every time I receive a foreign payment into my
    >bank, and I'm not happy about that. Is that an average charge I wonder-
    >I maybe should look in to it...

A solution is to ask the payer to pay you in GBPs and to pay all charges at
their end, deducting charges from the amount transferred. I have just done this
and it does work.
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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:33 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC), quiqueg <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
    >royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote in
    >news:1hp9gzv.1pcxvom1j98ebaN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]:
    >> I've heard of other banks charging for internet use too- I find it
    >> astonishing, as the whole point of internet banking is as you suggest
    >> that it requires less time in terms of customer service.
    >welcome to Italy. I am with an online-only (well, almost only) bank and
    >they charge a very reasonable fee.

I'm with IW Bank, and they are ok. Not nearly as good as the UK's
First Direct, but better than anything else I've found here.
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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:36:53 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, B Vaughan wrote:
    >> I do the banking for my husband's studio, and the studio doesn't have
    >> an ATM card. Maybe they only give cards to individuals? They don't
    >Are you using your personal account for the studio, or a separate
    >account (see also below for the convenience of this)

No, the studio has a separate account. My husband and I also both have
individual accounts.

    >> firm. Maybe it's because my husband's accountant
    >ragioniere ? commercialista ? fiscalista ?

Commercialista.

    >Ask him about "F24 telematico" ... or just have a look on newsgroup
    >it.economia.fisco. There is a lot of chatting going on these days of
    >"finanziaria" and "decreto Bersani" on the topic, including
    >professionals asking whether they should keep two separate bank
    >accounts, one for personal expenses and one for the firm.

Our commercialista hasn't much dipped his toes in cyberspace yet. Even
if he were so inclined, our access to the internet is very greatly
compromised by slow dial-up connections that get slower every year. At
the beginning of the business day, we often can't get anything done
online because everybody else is trying to work online as well.
Telecom Italia seems to have no intentions of bringing broadband to
our valley, as they consider 85% coverage of the country
(population-wise) quite sufficient.

    >> Our bank charges for absolutely everything.
    >Maybe your account is considered a "corporate" one and not a private
    >"consumer" account. Or maybe the bank is just greedy.

Oh, it's the latter, believe me. My husband has had a long history
with this bank, including spells on their board of directors, and it's
difficult for him to cut the cord.
    >The new trend was then conventions with a fixed fee per month and
    >unlimited operations ("bonifici" are still charged extra). Some banks
    >like mine have other offers (on normal accounts they reduce the fee if
    >you have more "products" of theirs, for good clients they reduce the fee
    >if the total of their deposit is above a given ceiling). I was paying
    >4.10 euro per month until last june with an 80% discount, and I pay
    >nothing now (except the stamp duty on the statements, and charges on
    >some special operations).

In the US, anyone who deposits money in an interest-bearing account
and doesn't use the account for anything else will earn something at
the end of the year. If the amount of the deposit is more than some
small amount, typically a few thousand dollars, you will also have
unlimited free check privileges, and other free services.

In Italy, if you deposit money in an account, unless it is more than a
modest amount, you will find your savings eaten away by fixed costs,
even if you never touch the account in any way after the initial
deposit. Even buying a government bond entails costs which exceed the
interest paid. It's literally wiser, if you only have a moderate
amount of savings, to put them under the mattress.

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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:34:58 +0000 (UTC), quiqueg <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Giovanni Drogo <[email protected]> wrote in
    >news:[email protected] zoengr.vans.vg:
    >> Hmm ... I believe the highest one in Italy was 200000 lire, which is
    >> about 100 euro, and I never handled one.
    >I can't remember a 200.000 note, but we had the 500.000 for a couple of
    >years before the Euro. Pretty rare (at least in my milieu...), though.

Today I saw a woman paying for something in a small grocery shop with
a 500 euro note. The grocer didn't have enough change, but she was
happy to take 100-some euros now and a promise of 300 more tomorrow.
Of course, in this town, the grocer and the customer generally know
each other pretty well.

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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:40:00 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, B Vaughan wrote:
    >> I bought something today that cost 10.62. I was asked if I had the
    >> 0.62, and I said I didn't. Then I was asked if I at least had the .02.
    >Strange they did not ask if you had 0.12.

I think we had already established that I didn't when I pulled out the
change.

    >It is a reflex for me, if I do not have the exact amount, to give some
    >coins so that the change is somehow round.

In the US, the cashier usually has your change (at least the coins)
ready before you look in your purse, and may even be annoyed if you
slow things down by counting your coins.


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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:10:51 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

    >They charge 1 euro a month for the *possibility* of using internet
    >banking, whether you actually use it or not. This annoyed me so much
    >on principal that I told them to remove this charge ...

Just to forestall Magda, I meant principle.

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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:17:14 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Keith Anderson wrote:
    >> Remember it well - telephone tokens*, sweets (candy) and once even a
    >> * Gettoni/giettoni (sp?)
    >gettoni, the i is unnecessary as e already softens the g.
    >IPASCII /dZettoni/
    >more or less jet-tony
    >Unfortunately now replaced by telephone cards, of minimum value 3 euro,
    >difficult to find, more likely 5 or 10 euro, which expire after so many
    >months ... usually more than 50% unused :-(

You should get a 5 euro Sisal Edicard, which also expires but can be
used up at home.
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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:30:04 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
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    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Mimi wrote:
    >> That's interesting, Giovanni. I had understood that Italians rarely used
    >> credit cards. Are you unusual or is this a country-city thing?
    >> And are cheques common?

    >It is correct that credit cards were almost unused in the past (I got my
    >first in 1988 when I had to go to Texas and almost never used it here
    >until the Government imposed some tax on it when I surrendered it). But
    >now most cards are multifunction (Bancomat i.e. ATM card, Pagobancomat
    >and credit card).

Four years ago, I tried to organize a weekend break to London for my
English class in the local adult school. Ryanair was offering very
cheap flights at the time of a long weekend around April 25. I wanted
to participants to buy their own tickets online from Ryanair. I knew
that some would be unfamiliar with the internet, so I offered to help
with the transactions using the school's computer. The main problem,
however, was that almost no one in the class had a credit card or
even a debit card.



    >I see many people paying their shopping in supermarket and grocers with
    >a card (I suppose they use it as Pagobancomat) although I do not do it
    >(but I spend less !). But for any expense in a shop over 100 euro I
    >would use a Pagobancomat payment. No fee, money immediately deducted
    >from one's account ... which is fair enough if you carry the good with
    >you.
    >I would still be reluctant to use the credit card for such small
    >amounts, because I'm charged 1 euro per month for the credit card
    >account. The money will be deducted at the beginning of the next month
    >(it used to be the second month), and the interests to be earned
    >nowadays (they used to be higher) with such a short delay are
    >negligible. So I use the credit card only if I know I have to do
    >several payments in a month, and/or if I pay a service in advance (say
    >book a tour) AND the amount is not too large with respect to my ceiling,
    >and/or if I want to delay the payment (say settling an hotel bill while
    >I am on mission which will be refunded when I return), and/or it's an
    >online payment, and/or I am abroad.
    >Bank transfers ("bonifici bancari") are not so common for private
    >citizens as they are or were elsewhere (I remember 20 years ago in
    >Germany I paid the doctor's bill handing to my bank a form he sent me),
    >mainly because there are charges on them. However they are getting more
    >common with home banking (with cheaper charges). If I have to send an
    >advance to an hotel, or make an offer to a charity, given the
    >alternatives of paying via a postal current account (which costs I
    >believe 1 or 1.5 euro but requires queing at the post office) or using
    >an online bank transfer (which also costs 0.5 to 1 euro) I prefer the
    >second, because it is less of a hassle.

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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:43 am
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:37:34 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Only a matter of time before the Dutch kroket becomes and international
    >currency.

It would certainly last longer than a 5-euro note.
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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:56 am
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:43:18 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:37:34 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Only a matter of time before the Dutch kroket becomes and international
    >>currency.
    >It would certainly last longer than a 5-euro note.

the near indestructible Dutch kroket :-)
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Old Nov 24th 2006, 12:57 am
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:43:17 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:10:51 +0100, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
    >>They charge 1 euro a month for the *possibility* of using internet
    >>banking, whether you actually use it or not. This annoyed me so much
    >>on principal that I told them to remove this charge ...
    >Just to forestall Magda, I meant principle.

'spoil 'sport!
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