What If UK Abandons The EU?
#76
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
It's not a question about unhappiness, but rather far more about dissatisfaction with the status quo, and the right to express that dissatisfaction, and to outline and discuss the reasons for it.
When things are going right, there's no point really to criticise or praise them. If things are right that is how it should be. When things are going right, silence is the modus operandi. However when things are going wrong, which they are and badly so, everyone who perceives that should stand up and make their case.
Brits are utterly dissatisfied and disillusioned with the EU, that is why they will probably vote for leaving it. That will have a knock on effect in PT. Whilst UK is inside the EU investing in overseas homes and properties this is seen by many as the same as investing in the domestic market, or at least investing with less risk than putting their money outside the EU.
But that has proved in reality not to be the case. The losses within the EU property market have been highly significant. Brits are disillusioned with their overseas property investments, and are asking themselves what are the advantages of belonging to the EU. None as far as I can see. Membership of the EU was a kind of ticket for an added security of investment. If UK is outside the EU its citizens will no longer benefit from that, so there's no special or real point in investing in places like PT.
When things are going right, there's no point really to criticise or praise them. If things are right that is how it should be. When things are going right, silence is the modus operandi. However when things are going wrong, which they are and badly so, everyone who perceives that should stand up and make their case.
Brits are utterly dissatisfied and disillusioned with the EU, that is why they will probably vote for leaving it. That will have a knock on effect in PT. Whilst UK is inside the EU investing in overseas homes and properties this is seen by many as the same as investing in the domestic market, or at least investing with less risk than putting their money outside the EU.
But that has proved in reality not to be the case. The losses within the EU property market have been highly significant. Brits are disillusioned with their overseas property investments, and are asking themselves what are the advantages of belonging to the EU. None as far as I can see. Membership of the EU was a kind of ticket for an added security of investment. If UK is outside the EU its citizens will no longer benefit from that, so there's no special or real point in investing in places like PT.
Your view of things is so pessimistic, negative and without balance, and I really wonder why if things are so dire, you continue to post on the Forum. Everyone knows your views on all things economic in PT and the people in UK's view of the EU, so we don't need to keep hearing them repeated every week, unless you have something new to add, based on fact, not your pessimistic view. Of course, if you're a wind up merchant......
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
Thanks for becoming abusive
You are clearly just too dim to actually discuss this with if you have to descend to that, so I wont bother any more because you clearly have a lack of understanding of how things really work! Doubtless you will tell us in a min ute that US credit ratings will affect the man in the street in Portugal
You are clearly just too dim to actually discuss this with if you have to descend to that, so I wont bother any more because you clearly have a lack of understanding of how things really work! Doubtless you will tell us in a min ute that US credit ratings will affect the man in the street in Portugal
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Independent
Sean O'Grady: Any reduction in America's credit rating will affect every person on the planet
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...t-2329680.html
I am jolly glad that you are not in charge of running the planet.
Sean O'Grady: Any reduction in America's credit rating will affect every person on the planet
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...t-2329680.html
I am jolly glad that you are not in charge of running the planet.
#79
Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
It is apparent SR does not like anyone whose views don't coincide with his own very anti Europe ones. From an earlier post of this current string, I suspect he is a UKIP supporter. Fine that's his right,but I'm sure most people are now absolutely fed up with his posts on this subject. It would seem he has little else to do any day except wind people upon the economic situation in PT,UK and anywhere else that there is depressing news. What a sad life he leads
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
http://www.newser.com/story/163494/h...-election.html
Soon one will rear its head in a Portuguese election. The whole bloomin' EU is one very bad joke.
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
Thanks for becoming abusive
You are clearly just too dim to actually discuss this with if you have to descend to that, so I wont bother any more because you clearly have a lack of understanding of how things really work! Doubtless you will tell us in a min ute that US credit ratings will affect the man in the street in Portugal
You are clearly just too dim to actually discuss this with if you have to descend to that, so I wont bother any more because you clearly have a lack of understanding of how things really work! Doubtless you will tell us in a min ute that US credit ratings will affect the man in the street in Portugal
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
Well, here's the clown in the Italian election
http://www.newser.com/story/163494/h...-election.html
Soon one will rear its head in a Portuguese election. The whole bloomin' EU is one very bad joke.
http://www.newser.com/story/163494/h...-election.html
Soon one will rear its head in a Portuguese election. The whole bloomin' EU is one very bad joke.
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
What was a loony faction of 1 has now doubled .
With the Euro expected to stabilise and continue to rise against the £ ( it is the UK that the markets deem to be the real sick economy of Europe ) any talk of Portugal leaving the Eurozone is nonsense. With the chances of the Conservatives winning a clear majority falling daily so does the possibility of there being a vote on EU membership in the UK.
With the Euro expected to stabilise and continue to rise against the £ ( it is the UK that the markets deem to be the real sick economy of Europe ) any talk of Portugal leaving the Eurozone is nonsense. With the chances of the Conservatives winning a clear majority falling daily so does the possibility of there being a vote on EU membership in the UK.
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
What was a loony faction of 1 has now doubled .
With the Euro expected to stabilise and continue to rise against the £ ( it is the UK that the markets deem to be the real sick economy of Europe ) any talk of Portugal leaving the Eurozone is nonsense. With the chances of the Conservatives winning a clear majority falling daily so does the possibility of there being a vote on EU membership in the UK.
With the Euro expected to stabilise and continue to rise against the £ ( it is the UK that the markets deem to be the real sick economy of Europe ) any talk of Portugal leaving the Eurozone is nonsense. With the chances of the Conservatives winning a clear majority falling daily so does the possibility of there being a vote on EU membership in the UK.
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/20...-death-spiral/
"The Portuguese have only themselves to blame. By continuing to belong to the euro, they doom their country to years of economic stagnation."
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
You are a sad person with not much to occupy your time it seems, except post on the forum. It seems your negativity is due to a bad decision you made, but everyone's life is made up of decisions, some right and some wrong, you have to live with them.
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This forum is about peoples opinions, including yours. Just because a majority don't agree with you and your newly arrived shadow doesn't require you to resort to attempts to belittle individuals and their views.
You are a sad person with not much to occupy your time it seems, except post on the forum. It seems your negativity is due to a bad decision you made, but everyone's life is made up of decisions, some right and some wrong, you have to live with them.
You are a sad person with not much to occupy your time it seems, except post on the forum. It seems your negativity is due to a bad decision you made, but everyone's life is made up of decisions, some right and some wrong, you have to live with them.
I have a right to express negative views, even if you do not like them. I do not care whether I am in the apparent majority or minority.
Tell me, when you go on a holiday and stay in a hotel, and it's not up to standard, or not up a standard which you think that you have paid for, do you just hold your peace, and simply say "that was just too bad" and leave it at that? Or do you go onto the internet and inform others of your bad experience, so that they might learn not to go where you went?
How else is that hotel to know that its service has been poor and thatt it badly needs to pull its socks up? A negative review is one sure way to begin to change that hotel's attitude to its customers.
The internet has brought with it a whole new medium in which individuals can express themselves, their opinions, a forum in which one can tell others about negative experiences. Then fact is that life is truly 95% negative for most of the time, and only about 5% truly positive. Think of all the books you may have read. Only about 1 in 20 has really been worth reading. The same is true with films and so forth. The negative in life occupies quite the vast majority of our time. Mediocrity is the majority experience for us all.
And yes, I am a huge customer of the services, products, accommodation etc. of Portugal. I spend and have spent vast sums of money within its economy. As a consumer I am not at all satisfied with a great deal of the goods and services I receive. Many things in Portugal are negative. I will not be silenced. I will bring them to people's attention. I will be an outspoken complainant, no matter whether I am popular or not, by doing so.
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Re: What If UK Abandons The EU?
Many of us are not just second holiday home owners ( however much you spend or may have spent ) but reside in Portugal all of the year or a significant part of it.
Some rely on activities in Portugal to provide part or all of their incomes.
As such we have a better grasp on the realities of life in Portugal than the occaisional visitor.
None of us claim that life is perfect far from it but we realise that rather like complaining constantly about the rain all the moaning an negative thoughts and posts will not change a thing.
Please tell us what induced you to buy in Portugal in the first place.
Please be honest !!
Some rely on activities in Portugal to provide part or all of their incomes.
As such we have a better grasp on the realities of life in Portugal than the occaisional visitor.
None of us claim that life is perfect far from it but we realise that rather like complaining constantly about the rain all the moaning an negative thoughts and posts will not change a thing.
Please tell us what induced you to buy in Portugal in the first place.
Please be honest !!