NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
#1
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 42
NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
Hello all,
I am now considering early retirement in Portugal and taking advantage of the attractive NHR scheme.
Am I correct that a person(+ spouse and school age dependent children) who has NHR status and doesn't pay any income taxes in Portugal has a right for their family to access the free state healthcare system and free school system just like any other Portugal resident?
I am now considering early retirement in Portugal and taking advantage of the attractive NHR scheme.
Am I correct that a person(+ spouse and school age dependent children) who has NHR status and doesn't pay any income taxes in Portugal has a right for their family to access the free state healthcare system and free school system just like any other Portugal resident?
#2
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
Simple answer is no. NHR is not tax free
#3
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
If you become resident in Portugal, you will have access to the Portuguese health service and state schooling. This is unrelated to the NHR scheme which may, if you qualify, exempt some types of income from Portuguese taxation for a 10 year period.
#4
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 569
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
In your circumstances, you may be entitled to tax free status, it depends on your personal pension and some are allowed to be solely taxed by Portugal, if that's the case you will be legible for tax free drawdown for 10 yrs under nhr scheme your family once resident get the same access to schooling and health system as a Portuguese citizen.
Good luck
Good luck
#6
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 42
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
Living in a western european country tax free for ten years, free healthcare and free education for the kids. Actually it still seems far too good to be true.
Am i missing a big downside catch?
Last edited by BobSmith888; Sep 23rd 2019 at 7:45 am.
#7
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 42
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
In your circumstances, you may be entitled to tax free status, it depends on your personal pension and some are allowed to be solely taxed by Portugal, if that's the case you will be legible for tax free drawdown for 10 yrs under nhr scheme your family once resident get the same access to schooling and health system as a Portuguese citizen.
Good luck
Good luck
I don't have a pension. All my income comes from unit trust investments that are domiciled in Luxemburg and singapore.
Both Luxemburg and Singapore do not tax non-residents of lux who earn investment income in Luxemburg and Singapore. As such, would you agree that there would be no tax in portugal under the NHR scheme as well?
#8
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
NHR is not blankly “no income tax”, and I read from people’s experiences here some foreign sourced income has been taxed. There is a pdf on finanças website. Technically it’s “double taxation exemption” . Of course it’s very vague and open to interpretations.
#9
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
On the note of health care, I am wondering if people retired here are using S1 form and is it going to be continued after no deal Brexit? How about retirees from non EU countries, do they need private health insurance. I am always under impression that in Portugal state health care is residence based. But I read somewhere UK government signalled UK will only fulfil certain period of S1 obligations in the event of no deal. A bit confused now
#10
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
On the note of health care, I am wondering if people retired here are using S1 form and is it going to be continued after no deal Brexit? How about retirees from non EU countries, do they need private health insurance. I am always under impression that in Portugal state health care is residence based. But I read somewhere UK government signalled UK will only fulfil certain period of S1 obligations in the event of no deal. A bit confused now
#11
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 569
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
re your circumstances , you will need to read and digest the tax agreements between pt/lux and pt/singapore to be sure what will happen under nhr , maybe ask a specialist in this regard
good luck
good luck
#12
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 871
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
We took advice on NHR and broadly speaking, it means that income derived from outside Portugal is not taxed by Portugal. Income derived from within Portugal would be taxed by Portugal, even if you are a NHResident.
In certain cases income derived from outside Portugal would be taxed by the country where the income is generated, in line with the laws of that country, i.e. property rental income from the UK would be taxable in the UK but not in PT.
If you have qualified for NHR and are paying no tax in PT and then for example either take a job in PT or rent out your house in PT, that income is taxable in PT.
It is also worth noting that if you pay no tax in PT under the NHR scheme you are entitled to PT state healthcare free of charge but if you start to receive income taxable in PT you are also at that point obliged to pay social security in PT.
If you sell your house within the 10 year NHR period you do not pay PT capital gains tax, if you sell it after the 10 year period, you pay capital gains tax according to the usual rules and exemptions.
In certain cases income derived from outside Portugal would be taxed by the country where the income is generated, in line with the laws of that country, i.e. property rental income from the UK would be taxable in the UK but not in PT.
If you have qualified for NHR and are paying no tax in PT and then for example either take a job in PT or rent out your house in PT, that income is taxable in PT.
It is also worth noting that if you pay no tax in PT under the NHR scheme you are entitled to PT state healthcare free of charge but if you start to receive income taxable in PT you are also at that point obliged to pay social security in PT.
If you sell your house within the 10 year NHR period you do not pay PT capital gains tax, if you sell it after the 10 year period, you pay capital gains tax according to the usual rules and exemptions.
#13
Forum Regular
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 257
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
I am sorry I just can’t really agree the blunt attitude of the original post, op doesn’t want to pay any tax yet want to use the free health and school system which is paid by locals who earn low salary and pay high tax!
#14
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
I'll happily stand corrected if anybody can provide solid evidence to the contrary, though
#15
Re: NHR access to state healthcare and schooling
Hello all,
I am now considering early retirement in Portugal and taking advantage of the attractive NHR scheme.
Am I correct that a person(+ spouse and school age dependent children) who has NHR status and doesn't pay any income taxes in Portugal has a right for their family to access the free state healthcare system and free school system just like any other Portugal resident?
I am now considering early retirement in Portugal and taking advantage of the attractive NHR scheme.
Am I correct that a person(+ spouse and school age dependent children) who has NHR status and doesn't pay any income taxes in Portugal has a right for their family to access the free state healthcare system and free school system just like any other Portugal resident?