Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Sep 23rd 2024 | 7:48 am
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
As I said in the OP........whilst in the UK I spoke personally to the DVLA foreign desk. I explained my position fully, told then I am resident in Portugal, but also said thatg I spend almsot same toime in UK as I do in Portugal (it can vary). But even if you are a resident elsewhere, but spend 90days a year in a property that you own in UK, you are then considered a tax resident (SRT),,,that is what I do. So after I explained all of that as I said the person I was speaking to consulted with a colleague, and I was told that I could apply for a UK licence. So I did, of course it came to my own address in UK, which has been my UK property for over a decade, and have renewed my licence 2 times before.
At the end of the day, a DL is a permit to drive a vehicle, whether that is in PT or UK makes no difference, I am guessing that with the new agreement there is an exchange of info on any offences committed in either country, the same for a PT DL holder driving in the UK. If not then there should be.
If and when I sell my UK property, then I would of course be obliged to exchange for a Portuguese DL.
At the end of the day, a DL is a permit to drive a vehicle, whether that is in PT or UK makes no difference, I am guessing that with the new agreement there is an exchange of info on any offences committed in either country, the same for a PT DL holder driving in the UK. If not then there should be.
If and when I sell my UK property, then I would of course be obliged to exchange for a Portuguese DL.
In any case, given your PT resident status, whatever the UK DVLA told you about your eligibility to apply for a UK DL, the way IMT would regard the matter of whether you need to register or exchange your UK licence would be according to their interpretation of PT law, not taking into consideration advice you received from the UK.
Not, I suspect, that you'd encounter too much difficulty there on a day to day basis. Might not be advisable to be waving a PT resident permit about as your id in front of a GNR traffic cop though, if you were stopped for a document inspection.
Sep 23rd 2024 | 5:31 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
UK does not have any official residency papers, at least not for British people.
But as far as UK tax is concerned then the SRT rules apply, regardless of where a person lives.
This is a series of tests to be completed to understand whether or not HMRC considers a person to be Tax resident..
If you have no property in the UK and only return to UK for brief holidays then no problem, but it gets more complicated if you do own a property.
Attached is a flowchart of the types of Tax residency that exist in UK
But as far as UK tax is concerned then the SRT rules apply, regardless of where a person lives.
This is a series of tests to be completed to understand whether or not HMRC considers a person to be Tax resident..
If you have no property in the UK and only return to UK for brief holidays then no problem, but it gets more complicated if you do own a property.
Attached is a flowchart of the types of Tax residency that exist in UK
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Sep 23rd 2024 | 7:10 pm
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Sep 23rd 2024 | 7:22 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
I thought your designated primary residence was in PT?
In any case, given your PT resident status, whatever the UK DVLA told you about your eligibility to apply for a UK DL, the way IMT would regard the matter of whether you need to register or exchange your UK licence would be according to their interpretation of PT law, not taking into consideration advice you received from the UK.
Not, I suspect, that you'd encounter too much difficulty there on a day to day basis. Might not be advisable to be waving a PT resident permit about as your id in front of a GNR traffic cop though, if you were stopped for a document inspection.
In any case, given your PT resident status, whatever the UK DVLA told you about your eligibility to apply for a UK DL, the way IMT would regard the matter of whether you need to register or exchange your UK licence would be according to their interpretation of PT law, not taking into consideration advice you received from the UK.
Not, I suspect, that you'd encounter too much difficulty there on a day to day basis. Might not be advisable to be waving a PT resident permit about as your id in front of a GNR traffic cop though, if you were stopped for a document inspection.
Also I appreciate what you say about residency doc,,,,,,but given that any roadside stop would end up with showing a Passport, it should be obvious to any GNR that I must be a PT resident or there would be an entry stamp in the passport.,,,suggesting that I am resident in PT.
My UK property is the registered address for HMRC, PT property is registered with AT.
Sep 23rd 2024 | 10:10 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
[...]Also I appreciate what you say about residency doc,,,,,,but given that any roadside stop would end up with showing a Passport, it should be obvious to any GNR that I must be a PT resident or there would be an entry stamp in the passport.,,,suggesting that I am resident in PT.
Even if you do carry and show your passport, GNR don't go leafing through looking at immigration stamps - it's just for confirmation of id.
My UK property is the registered address for HMRC, PT property is registered with AT.
If you're not a PT tax resident, then you should give them your UK address as your fiscal residence. Otherwise, you'd be required to file tax returns in PT detailing worldwide income etc and failure to do so could lead to problems.
Sep 23rd 2024 | 11:54 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Red...... Sure - but if your address with AT is your PT property, then you are declaring yourself to them as PT resident for tax purposes.
Yes I pay taxes in both UK and PT according to all of the local rules. and have done since Brexit.
Yes I pay taxes in both UK and PT according to all of the local rules. and have done since Brexit.
Sep 24th 2024 | 10:33 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
As you know Eric, I would not have taken out residency had it not been for Brexit. 6 months is quiet enough for me in PT and UK, but preferably in one chunk..
I suppose it all depends on a few things like where you lived in UK. For sure, some places in the UK, I would never want to return to either, but for me that`s not the case (so far.).
For me health is another consideration that I have to take into account, which has to include the summer months in PT when it is too hot for me most of the time.
So just crack on and see how things pan out.....
I suppose it all depends on a few things like where you lived in UK. For sure, some places in the UK, I would never want to return to either, but for me that`s not the case (so far.).
For me health is another consideration that I have to take into account, which has to include the summer months in PT when it is too hot for me most of the time.
So just crack on and see how things pan out.....
Sep 26th 2024 | 5:19 am
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Sep 26th 2024 | 8:39 am
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Sep 26th 2024 | 9:44 am
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Many years ago, I decided to change licenses. Had the medical and In the February went to IMT in Faro, who required my UK license to be handed in and issued the usual paper one, only valid in Portugal. Later in the year, back in the UK the paper one had expired so applied for and received a new UK license.
In the December, back in Portugal, received a letter from IMT stating they knew I had obtained a new UK license and to hand it in to them. I just ignored them.
In the December, back in Portugal, received a letter from IMT stating they knew I had obtained a new UK license and to hand it in to them. I just ignored them.
Sep 26th 2024 | 5:05 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Erm............ even while writing this I have my doubts.
But in my case I will only have one license, a UK one.
Sep 26th 2024 | 10:25 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
Any new Brits taking out residency will not have to exchange a UK DL until it expires, which could be years. So they will be driving on a UK license until that happens. I guess any convictions occurring when driving in PT will be handled by PT, but also assume any points awarded would be added by DVLA??
Erm............ even while writing this I have my doubts.
But in my case I will only have one license, a UK one.
Erm............ even while writing this I have my doubts.
But in my case I will only have one license, a UK one.
Sep 27th 2024 | 9:11 pm
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Re: Driving in PT over 60 years old with UK licence
So how does it work with other EU nationals resident in PT?
Again would would assume that there is an exchange of info, in the case of an driving infringement, where points are involved.
I think the UK system of adding points is different to EU countries where your license starts with 15 or 16 points and reduces to zero.
Again would would assume that there is an exchange of info, in the case of an driving infringement, where points are involved.
I think the UK system of adding points is different to EU countries where your license starts with 15 or 16 points and reduces to zero.
