Do you have a well?
May 9th 2009, 11:38 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
I think that what has happened is quite typical of the way Portugal operates, what surprises me most is that they have not kept the deadline and simply imposed fines for those who did not get it done in time. After all the law came out in 2007 and it was well publisied (not).
In fact for those who have lived here for some time what has gone is nothing new. Cast your mind back to the driving licences and how everyone over 50 had to renew their Portuguese licence and again at 60, 65 and 70, or if you were a truck driving the age was 40. The only things was they did not have a lead in time, it had to be done straight away. The system could not cope with it all. Then look at the car road tax, having got a good system in place where you displayed your car tax they changed it to having to obtain car tax when the vehicle was first registered as of 1 Jan 08, but did not tell you about it until Nov 07. The IPO is the same and I am sure there are more.
I am not trying to put a damper on the place, but after a while it gets a bit tiresome.
Joao
.[/FONT]In fact for those who have lived here for some time what has gone is nothing new. Cast your mind back to the driving licences and how everyone over 50 had to renew their Portuguese licence and again at 60, 65 and 70, or if you were a truck driving the age was 40. The only things was they did not have a lead in time, it had to be done straight away. The system could not cope with it all. Then look at the car road tax, having got a good system in place where you displayed your car tax they changed it to having to obtain car tax when the vehicle was first registered as of 1 Jan 08, but did not tell you about it until Nov 07. The IPO is the same and I am sure there are more.
I am not trying to put a damper on the place, but after a while it gets a bit tiresome.
Joao
May 9th 2009, 11:48 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
I think that what has happened is quite typical of the way Portugal operates, what surprises me most is that they have not kept the deadline and simply imposed fines for those who did not get it done in time. After all the law came out in 2007 and it was well publisied (not).
In fact for those who have lived here for some time what has gone is nothing new. Cast your mind back to the driving licences and how everyone over 50 had to renew their Portuguese licence and again at 60, 65 and 70, or if you were a truck driving the age was 40. The only things was they did not have a lead in time, it had to be done straight away. The system could not cope with it all. Then look at the car road tax, having got a good system in place where you displayed your car tax they changed it to having to obtain car tax when the vehicle was first registered as of 1 Jan 08, but did not tell you about it until Nov 07. The IPO is the same and I am sure there are more.
I am not trying to put a damper on the place, but after a while it gets a bit tiresome.
Joao
In fact for those who have lived here for some time what has gone is nothing new. Cast your mind back to the driving licences and how everyone over 50 had to renew their Portuguese licence and again at 60, 65 and 70, or if you were a truck driving the age was 40. The only things was they did not have a lead in time, it had to be done straight away. The system could not cope with it all. Then look at the car road tax, having got a good system in place where you displayed your car tax they changed it to having to obtain car tax when the vehicle was first registered as of 1 Jan 08, but did not tell you about it until Nov 07. The IPO is the same and I am sure there are more.
I am not trying to put a damper on the place, but after a while it gets a bit tiresome.
Joao
May 15th 2009, 10:25 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
Has anyone seen the latest edition of the Resident? In there is a quote from afpop from the ARH in Faro saying the even if you have a licence you still have to go and get a new one as they want to 'uniform' the whole process. Also the documents required to carry out the process are a passport, fiscal number, ownership document and an ordnance survey map (carta militar) which shows the area where the water resource is located.
Thank goodness I live in town!!!!
Is it any surprise then that they have had to extend the application process and do you really think that the older people in the country side who have had a well in the family for generations are going to go through the process? Also those who have only just had a house built, do they have to go through this process again?
Bureaucracy gone mad - but ha ho this is Portugal!
Joao
Thank goodness I live in town!!!!
Is it any surprise then that they have had to extend the application process and do you really think that the older people in the country side who have had a well in the family for generations are going to go through the process? Also those who have only just had a house built, do they have to go through this process again?
Bureaucracy gone mad - but ha ho this is Portugal!
Joao
May 15th 2009, 10:51 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
When my gardener went to register his well they told him only the foreigners were bothering!
May 15th 2009, 11:21 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
And mostly Portuguese in Santo Estevao.
May 15th 2009, 11:22 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
Personally,I couldn't afford a 25,000 euro fine! 
May 15th 2009, 12:02 pm
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May 15th 2009, 12:49 pm
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May 16th 2009, 4:57 pm
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Re: Do you have a well?
Has anyone seen the latest edition of the Resident? In there is a quote from afpop from the ARH in Faro saying the even if you have a licence you still have to go and get a new one as they want to 'uniform' the whole process. Also the documents required to carry out the process are a passport, fiscal number, ownership document and an ordnance survey map (carta militar) which shows the area where the water resource is located.
Thank goodness I live in town!!!!
Is it any surprise then that they have had to extend the application process and do you really think that the older people in the country side who have had a well in the family for generations are going to go through the process? Also those who have only just had a house built, do they have to go through this process again?
Bureaucracy gone mad - but ha ho this is Portugal!
Joao
Thank goodness I live in town!!!!
Is it any surprise then that they have had to extend the application process and do you really think that the older people in the country side who have had a well in the family for generations are going to go through the process? Also those who have only just had a house built, do they have to go through this process again?
Bureaucracy gone mad - but ha ho this is Portugal!
Joao
Thank goodness we've done it!
May 27th 2009, 6:11 am
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Re: Do you have a well?
May 27th 2009, 7:39 am
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